/sci/ - Science & Math

>>4770250
Besides the fame, living the rest of your life in a porta potty in a desert would suck dick. Also their estimates are way off for arrival, and they have no means of funding.
Look at their team. There's four fucking people, and only one (the physicist) who can actually contribute. Pitiful.

It's all hype.

>>4770264
As opposed to living in a porta potty in your mother's basement?

At least the scenery on Mars is better.

Just like SpaceX, it's a bait and switch scheme to get into history books.

Musk knows he's going to fail, just like he did with tesla motors. It doesn't matter, people will say it was a conspiracy or whatever, he'll be immortalized just for trying.

Oh, but i'm evil, i'm scum for even suggesting or thinking that commercial space won't pan out.

Just like commercial airship travel. they built a mooring tower into the empire state building! Airship travel is here to stay.

>>4770250
It is very interesting I think. But it is a very drastic change to your life if you choose to go.
You would really apply for this and give up all of your earthly pleasures? All contact with your friends and family, to live in a lonely and hostile environment?
It would be a very brave and selfless thing, and crucial to the progress of mankind.

I am in favour of a self sustaining community on Mars, but I for one would not want to be the one to actually go there.

Holy cow. I didn't know about this. This is awesome.

I'm volunteering as sure as fuck for this. If they don't accept me the first time, I'll be applying every two years until I reach the age limit if any.

brb, reading everything possible on their page

>>4770559

>uneducated serf thinks he'll be accepted

Here's the problem with a Mars Colony; Nobody with the skills and expertise would actually leave the earth. It's just losers and social rejects that would.

>MARSBRONY SPACE COLONY. LOVE PILLOWS DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO PENALTY WEIGHT!

Hey, just like all the telephone cleaners in hitchhikers guide.

>>4770567
I don't watch MLP and have BSc in physics, will have MSc next year.

>>4770567
But you are right. I should start working on my physique. I'm too skinny.

>>4770541

>and crucial to the progress of mankind.

If the destiny of mankind was written in a book with SCI FI labeled on the spine.

It's not. Mars is a waste of time. There are no resources and Ceres and Vespa would make a better base.

But mankind doesn't care about the future or space. We'd be there if we did. Maybe when everyone has jobs they'll be able to think about tomorrow, but everyone is stuck in the right now.

>>4770571

>physics

>an on-site job

Hah, why would they need to haul your ass there when a calculator can do your job? Maybe if you went into electrical engineering or botany.

But physics? that's an earth job, if you can find a job.

>>4770575
It will be a great achievement to be able to create a self sustaining base anywhere. Mars, or Ceres or Vespa will all be great achievements for mankind.

The Earths lifespan is finite. The only way for humans to be able to outlive the earth will be to colonise new worlds.
Luckily, there is still a very large amount of time left for us to be able to do this.

>>4770582
It seems to me you are angry for some reason.
Too afraid to change something about your life, something you hate, perhaps? You hate people willing to take the risk, to leap at opportunity because they remind you what a failure you are?

I don't care, really. Just keep it to yourself. No one cares about your self-loathing.

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I'm going to apply but they probably won't accept me. I also think this is a stupid plan. Maybe not the plan itself, but for sure the business aspect. Not as retarded as Elon Musk of SpaceX, the hugest faggot in the private space industry. Fucking hate that guy. "Oh I know a way that we can make manned missions to Mars and back for only $500M but I won't tell you till next year." What a joke. Anyone who thinks ANY currently planned manned Mars mission will come to fruition is a retard.

We have the technology to make one-way trips there and establish colonies, but no one wants to fund it because there is no profit. I'm looking forward to seeing what China does in the future. Maybe I'll learn Mandarin and go work for them. NASA is dead.

>>4770597

How is a physicist a requirement on a mars base. are you going to teach the martians physics?

Why are you so defensive? suddenly worried that a purely academical career won't have any real adventure possibilities?

At the very least, you'll need to be proficient in something useful.

>>4770593

>he thinks it's vital to hurry up and get off the earth before then sun expands in a billion goddamn years.

I blame doctor who for the staggeringly stupid space enthusiast of 2012.

Protip: Space will not save us from ourselves any more than religion or the singularity or aliens or robots.

They're all just excuses invented to circumvent the issue.

Mankind does not do great things for noble reasons. Never has, never will.

Anyone who thinks so has just been spoonfed bullshit by idealists who never went outside of their boxes.

>>4770610
I don't watch this scene around private space stuff very closely, but Elon Musk seems to deliver on his promises, no?

Why is he
>the hugest faggot in the private space industry
?

I haven't heard about that $500M round trip to Mars promise, but I assume it's true. The question is, why would he lie? He won't get money from any sort of Mars mission (as far as I understand, SpaceX will be making money from ferrying stuff to orbit), so lying about something like this would be like childish boasting. Surely he's outgrown that (or not?).

>>4770627

>but Elon Musk seems to deliver on his promises, no?

Where's that sub-20k electric car? Tesla Motors was his abortion, after all.

>inb4 evil conspiracy kept the hero down

Why would he lie? Because he'll be in the history books now as one of the pioneers of space travel, even if his business completely folds. Just like he'll be remembered for Tesla, even though that's a total failure.

He's just a self-centered billionaire who wanted his legacy to be more than just "that paypal guy"

He should be publicly flogged for setting up so many people's hopes.

But then again, people should realize that these billionaires aren't creating the future. they're just spending money to force it to look, in appearance only, like we're in the space age.

>>4770634
the whole idea might suck, but his business plan for this is pretty solid.

>>4770634
>Because he'll be in the history books
Seems quite... shallow. But maybe you're right. Time will show.

Tesla is a failure, yes, but the recent launches shown that they could get to orbit more cheaply than anyone else. At least he (or, rather, SpaceX's ex-NASA engineers) delivered on that.

I wouldn't discard him completely just yet.

In my opinion, private space agencies should be focussing on a way to make space profitable. Once they can do that, then investors will be scrambling to give them money. Asteroid mining comes to mind, but there is still a lot that needs to be developed before that can be done. Basically it all comes down to money. Space travel costs a buttload.

I think corporate sponsorship + advertising could work. Take money from large multinational companies like McDonalds, Coca-Cola, etc. to slap huge ads on the rockets and say "[Name of space program] sponsored by [name of company]" in every press release and media mention of the project. Companies would do it. They would pay. I would pay. I think it could work.

>>4770640

Sell rockets at extreme cost and make outlandish claims about fuel for heavy lift rockets?

People actually wanted to buy electric vehicles, there's a market for that. Only a handful of very wealthy corporations could afford rockets.

They will never break even and will continue to be solely supported by investors until even they give up and try to make a legacy somewhere else.

>>4770643

I'm of the opinion that they're severely cooking the books and that one day the whole operation will collapse and everyone will forget in an instant.

They'll forget that we're in "the future" and that space needs to happen RIGHT NOW IN OUR LIFETIMES because none of them can find work.

Sorry kids, the future has been delayed indefinitely.

>>4770250
Do you have the template for that picture, OP? I know I've seen it somewhere.

>tesla motors
>failure

Sure is some stupidity in this thread.

>>4770655

Oh, so where can i go to buy a 15k 300 mpg electric sedan?

Oh wait, they are making it, but it still costs an astronomical 40 grand, and only a few thousand were ordered.

I guess we'll find out on the 22nd just how well the things work. Top gear says they're a sham though. And unless you're a conspiracy theorist, why would they lie?

>>4770664
Top Gear is about fun, they are retarded about science and have a definite anti-global warming agenda

why the fuck does anyone wants to go to mars..


we have robots/wall-e there and they have found nothing.. nothing at all. its an empty red desert..

we have plenty of that here on earth..

if u want adventure travel to the biggest desert in china. and start a settlement there see how long it lasts

>>4770672

Because they drive cars?

Hoo boy, take it to /x/.

>>4770672

Top Gear ranted and raved about a hydrogen fuel cell car, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AUurBnLbJw

>>4770664
$40,000 is not 'astronomical', there are brand new hatchbacks that are close to that, let alone sedans.

>>4770758

A brand new honda civic is what? 15k?

Even if the Tesla only cost 30k, it'd still be twice as expensive.

Mars ain't the kind of place to raise a kid
In fact, it's cold as hell.
And there's no one there to raise them
If you did.

>>4770763

You're comparing a luxury sedan to a honda civic. At least make it apples to apples.

>>4770783

I'm just saying that 40k is substantially more than he promised, and it's certainly more than the Everyman can afford.

Whats the deal with this:
You bring a couple of Bombs to a comet and place them in a way that the unobtainium that is blastet out in the explosion lands in the desert-piece or arctica-piece that you own. even if its extremely costly wouldnt the sheer mass of gold that youre sitting on in space entitle you to your own super-currency

free market fascism provides fastest technological progress possible
freemarketfascism.org

>>4770813
Cincinnatus didn't WANT to be ruler. That's why he quit immediately after his job was done. Twice.

Just because you can single out a good leader, doesn't make authoritarianism any less awful.

>>4770813
I have a better one. Communistic technocratic enlightened tyranny.

From each according to their ability to each according to their need. With science.

>>4770834

Except people with special needs often cannot produce as much, making them "undesirables".

>What's that, tovarishch? You get sick if you eat bread? That's a damn shame, it is. Your food is a lot more expensive. You know... If we don't feed you for a while, then suddenly it's a lot cheaper for us!

>>4770848
>"undesirables".
Except that you analphabet can't read and I realize that it's futile to repeat the words "enlightened" and "according to their need" since you are still incapable of reading this text.

>What's that, tovarishch? You are unable to read? That's a damn shame, it is. Your education is a lot more expensive. You know... If we don't teach you, then this will start to resemble the hell called "free market", so step this way to the special education classes. We don't abandon one of ours for the sake of 'expediency'.

>>4770856
"Enlightened" is little more than a buzzword.

"According to their need" leads to "getting rid of people whose needs are greater". If you don't get that, perhaps you need to read something other than communist propaganda (You know, HISTORY, maybe?).

Feel free to live in your own little commune, but don't EVER try to force it on other people.

>>4770882

Nope, it means getting rid of people whose needs aren't outweighed by their potential contribution.

Learn the difference.

Speaking of which, as I canadian, I feel entitiled to comment on your obvious assumed moral high ground of a "functioning social democracy".

Not only do we (Canada) artificially inflate our standard of living on the backs of "undesirable" empoverished labour around the world, but we still haven't managed to find a way to make sure everybody contributes to their optimal potential.

What I see is a cornered capitalist arguing semantics about the implementation of a better system to distract from the fact that said system is better than capitalism.

>>4770931

That'd be funny if we actually lived in a capitalist society.

I lived my entire life in a CORPORATIST country and have a strong distaste for that, too.

>>4770664

Electric cars wont be feasible or productive until we have major advances in clean energy storage capacity. You know we could always just use smart roads (were electric cars can charge when driving) and have it possible to run your car as efficient as a petroleum car but fuck that's a lot of effort and a lot of money.

See:

03. Transportation—The Science of How We Move
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k1iMeBb4M99IE031Kwj

19. Batteries—Storing Energy Chemically
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6inWIgZMwTagM32aGK

>>4770945

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>>4770965
What the hell does it have to do with clean energy?

>>4770977
>Completely different socioeconomic model
>Semantics

>>4770250

Apply? Apply to whom? Other nerds who also have no fucking capital to actually accomplish the project?

Dude, the guys who have money don't care about this sort of thing. So it will never, EVER happen. You're going to need about $100 billion to get such a thing going, and that sort of investment can't be gathered from a pack of economically clueless nerds.