/sci/ - Science & Math

I feel that I am going to invent something that will allow me to persist well into the galactic exploration period.
maybe ill sell you some.

Born just in time to witness the dawn of realistic virtual reality, and walk on the surface of other planets, orbit Jupiter, jump from the upper atmosphere of earth without a parachute, walk on the ocean floor without any kind of gear, and even lose your virginity. And we'll be the only ones who can appreciate this, since every generation afterwards will just take it for granted.

Well fuck 1492, horrible technology and low life expectancy. As for the future, I am glad I won't be alive for it. I bet there will be a global government and people will have less rights than today. So OP is a fag.

I don't care much about exploration, sorry buddy.

>>4662792
But in the future people will be so spoiled by technology that they won't even care.

What does it matter what happens in real life when you live in virtual reality and get taken care of by robots?

But I get to be part of the generation that colonizes the Mo-
Well, at least we can to the Moon and expl-
No, but as long as we're occasionally still landing men on-

Huh.
Good thing I like robots.

One day, Earth will be a pale shadow of its former self and humanity will number in the trillions; most of which will live in confined, utilitarian space habitats. That will be the state of humanity from that point on. We will live on the foreign shores of alien worlds longer than we were hunter gatherers in Africa. And all the while humans will search the sky for a blue dot and wonder what it must have been like living on the world you evolved on, the world you were born for; to be able to walk through fields of grass that share your genetic code, grass that you are related to; to live on a world that doesn’t require constant supervision to maintain habitability, a world that takes care of you.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love nothing more than to walk across the surface of Mars. I’d jump at the chance to take a one way trip to the red planet if it was offered to me. I love space! However, just because space is amazing and just because humans are not exploring it doesn’t mean the age we live in isn’t just as amazing.

>>4662845
Huh.

Thank you anon, for showing me just how much I love our planet.

>>4662870
boooring

>>4662870
I am also okay with this.

Wait. Would undersea colonists have a need for someone with a degree in aviation?

It was no accomplishment to climb out of the sea; we were driven from it by predators. At that time our greatest ambition was to survive long enough to reproduce, and from that point on up until perhaps a century ago, if one of us went below water it was by accident and almost always a death sentence. The year is 2012 and we have returned to the sea. We go not just to extract it's mineral treasures but to settle millions of years worth of unfinished business. This time it will not drive us out, for we've returned as masters.

>>4662845
Wow
I never thought about that anon, Earth is pretty freakin awesome now that I think about it

>>4662877
>Wait. Would undersea colonists have a need for someone with a degree in aviation?

Yes, since the new hydrobatic subs handle like airplanes.

>>4662874
Don't delete your post Madman. I was just kidding.

>>4662877
>degree in aviation
So, you fix birds?
Maybe if they bring live poultry for a food source.

>>4662877

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWITR1qCp2g

>>4662882
Are these things out yet? They look expensive.

>>4662888
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>>4662898
>Are these things out yet? They look expensive.

They're Deep Flight subs, which Richard branson acquired the rights to when he founded Virgin Oceanic.

http://virginoceanic.com/

The deep sea version that will take tourists to the Challenger Deep is very different in design. The normal two seaters seen here will be for sale and rent, the deep sea version won't.

Forget the ocean floor, isn't there somewhere not far below the surface of the ocean that is far enough to not be affected by the weather, but isn't that far down in terms of pressure? Having free-floating habitats that don't require land or national boundaries and aren't at the mercy of the weather would be neat.

>>4662895
Oh, well never mind. I didn't know they were being used yet. Neat.

>>4662906
>Forget the ocean floor, isn't there somewhere not far below the surface of the ocean that is far enough to not be affected by the weather, but isn't that far down in terms of pressure?

Anywhere below 200 feet. That's where colonies are planed for.

>Having free-floating habitats that don't require land or national boundaries and aren't at the mercy of the weather would be neat.

They don't need to be free floating, there are places that shallow on the continental shelf. But yes, hovering seastations are also a possibility. Pic related.

IMO the best option in terms of pice is to build 50 feet deep so you can use WAY cheaper ambient pressure designs (and normal atmospheric air mixtures) and to brace everything against currents. The Aquarius is only 50 feet down and does fine. It 'feels' the currents much more strongly than if it were deeper but they aren't enough to damage it.

>>4662845
So much feels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcbHKAWIk3I

feels good man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STP44iU9EpI#t=0m49

>>4662878

>>4662949

But people have been taking psychadelics for thousands of years. Their "maps" don't match up. They aren't exploring anyplace that's real, that isn't reality, it's just hallucination.

>>4662987

define "reality"
why is your sober mind any more of a legitimate view of reality than that of a drugged mind?

its all just signals in the brain, right?

>>4662990

>its all just signals in the brain, right?

No, reality is more than that. I can go explore the alps, make a map, then have someone go explore the alps and make their own map, and our maps will match up because the alps exist independently of us.

You can't do that with lsd trips.

>>4662998

This

Drugs are a way of altering consciousness and perceiving reality different. Just like you need a conscious to alter, you need a reality to perceive

>>4662998
That just means we're in the same reality.

Nothing special

>>4663097

Psychadelics are not a mystery. We know exactly how they mess with your brain. They are disrupting its normal function, not showing you alternate realities. You haven't been exploring new vistas, you've just been losing yourself in your own mind. It's the pre-technology equivalent of videogames.

>>4662767
Mad scientist once posted this picture with an added 'just in time to explore the deep'... Pretty much true.

>>4662998
A blind man cannot "see" the alps the same way that you would, nor would a deaf man know what the "alps" are. One's reality is defined by his perception. Alter the perception, alter the reality.

>>4663126
It was posted in this thread, but he deleted his post for some reason.

>>4662767
You have all the chances exploring medicine and biology to a much larger extent than ever before.

Feels pretty good, because it means I won't starve to death or die of some horrible illness far from home.

>>4663191

I reposted it here: >>4662878

I think seabros and spacebros can work in harmony and create beautiful science together.

Pic related, it's a spacegun that is mostly submerged.
Too much g's for humans, but you could still supply orbital and outer-space stations with it.

>>4662767
Anyone who longs for things that will never be will only miss the plethora of wonders that are. We live in a fascinating age as the anons of this thread have pointed out. With the possibility of continued space exploration and underwater habitats (and more), we can make this an age our descendants will wish they were born in.

>>4663436
>I think seabros and spacebros can work in harmony and create beautiful science together.

The Challenger Deep is 7 miles down.

Europa's ocean is between 30 and 60 miles down.

Challenger Deep is just the tutorial stage. The true oceans await us in space.

Everyone looking for life in space says the same thing; go where the water is. For the bulk of our planet's history the only life was in water. Odds are to find the first extraterrestrial life, we will need an unmanned submersible.

Alien oceans are our great destination. Space travel is just how we get the sub from here to there.

>>4663445
I'd love to see a spacelaunch on one(preferably several) of the jovian ice moons. Nearly infinite amounts of propellant to use in closed-cycle nuclear rockets.

The internet is probably the single most accessible, free, and diverse form of expression in the history of humanity. That's something worth being alive for.

>>4663445

quick question: will europa even have water? I know that people expext to find a liquid mass inside, but do we have any confirmation that this is actual H20 and not another fluid unable to sustain life?

>>4663456

Me too. Our future is and must be space faring. But if it makes good sense to farm, mine and settle our own ocean, it will make just as much sense to do the same in the oceans of every planet we settle. It may be our fate as a species to become universally amphibious, especially as by the time we're settling other worlds the difficulty of expanding into their oceans will have dropped to nil.

That defines us as a species. We're the hairless, smooth skinned ape that spends more recreational time in the water than any other mammal. Babies instinctively know how to hold their breath and swim. Oceanic tribes hunt 65 feet down with a speargun. We work our whole lives so that when we retire we can relax on the beach and snorkel in tropical waters. It seems normal but when you look objectively at our fondness for water compared to other mammals it's concpicuous.

That's probably how other intelligent alien species will think of us and what will form the first stereotypes for our species. "Sea monkeys".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgRpwESWPLM

>>4663461
>quick question: will europa even have water? I know that people expext to find a liquid mass inside, but do we have any confirmation that this is actual H20 and not another fluid unable to sustain life?

The ice itself is normal water ice. It'd be more remarkable by far if there were anything but regular water underneath.

I think it's safe to say that in the future, granted the technology, we will be able to simulate most all of the conditions of the way we live now, but we'd choose not to. How we think, feel, and understand everything will probably literally be a million times better.

>>4663466
So when do we merge ourselves with technology and begin breathing underwater?

>>4663482
>So when do we merge ourselves with technology and begin breathing underwater?

As soon as we can miniaturize this to implant size and power it off of blood glucose.

www.likeafish.biz

Or, we can engineer synthetic blood with the oxygen retaining properties of marine mammal blood. This would extend our breath holding ability to 30 minutes. Add to this a small compressed oxygen canister in the chest cavity to reoxygenate the blood as needed, bypassing the lungs, and you could last considerably longer.

Today, if you have $205, you can just buy this little fella. It's a micro scuba system, gives you 27 breaths and refills in under a minute.

>>4663466
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgRpwESWPLM

Holy shit, more like this?

>>4663487

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQITWbAaDx0

We are masters of the sea.

>>4663488
Those were two of the most amazing videos I've ever seen.

>>4663496

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otmWD5_va8E

>>4663497
Gotta be top ten on worst jobs in the world.

>>4663514

The Bajau "sea gypsies" live at sea full time. The freedive hunter you saw earlier was a sea gypsy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AxOJurbyck#t=1m08

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajau

>>4663436
>I think seabros and spacebros can work in harmony and create beautiful science together.

1. Seabros make science
2. Spacebros use science by seabros on Enceladus
3. ?????????????
4. WE'RE NOT ALONE IN THIS UNIVERSE!!!!!!!!

>>4663522

Workin' on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3IT3Kgqaag

This fully autonomous robot mapped in 3D a 1,000+ foot deep 'blue hole' in Zacaton and returned samples from the bottom.

If we can do this, a successful robotic mission to Europa is definitely feasible.

>>4663486
I don't know about you but I sure as fuck want one of these.

Here's the map it made.

>>4663535

Made my own, gonna use it in a deep lake this Summer.

>>4663540
That looks funny as fuck.

>>4663544

Haha! Yeah but it works great. I used that in the Columbia river last Summer, found all kinds of cool stuff down there.

>>4663521
>Be native
>Family decided it's time to be civilised
>Don't know how to swim let alone hunt fish
>mfw

>Dat YouTube comments:
>Whaling is terrible
>at least they are hunting whales for survival, not commercial hunting
Sharks cost like 3-4USD per kilo here. U mad?

>>4662767
Actually, very good, never had the urge to catch death or/and sickness from distant places.

>>4663594
It's a good thing the rest of humanity doesn't think like you.

>>4663603
Are you serious? I state my feelings, and you respond with an attack?

>>4663609
I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

>>4663609
That anon is correct though. Your opinion is wrong.

reach for the stars mutherfucker!

>>4663617
Ah, I'm fine, thanks. I was actually concerned about you.

>>4662767
Confirmation bias, if that's the right term: If you believe everything is terrible, you will see everything as being terrible. If you believe it's great, you'll see it as being great.