/sci/ - Science & Math

IQ tests are to intelligence as the 40 yard dash is to athleticism. No need to get too worried, although this is a good lesson in humility.

Don't take this as a sign of average intelligence, but take this opportunity to honestly assess yourself.

Don't put too much weight on the IQ test.

A corollary to this is: don't be the kind of dick that tries to prove he is smarter than everyone.

>validation of all the years I've spent getting frustrated with other people

I have good news and bad news:

Bad news: you're an asshole around others

Good news: at least you realise you're an assshole around others

>>4617585

There’s a difference between being frustrated with somebody and being visibly frustrated with them.

>>4617589
>validation of all the years I've spent getting frustrated with other people
>... being stupid

Maybe I should have pasted the whole thing. I was trying to not be a dick.

qualified psychometrist

126

Above average. Damn well feels like it.

That feel when 189 IQ, proven by psychologists.

Stay mad, dumb people.

>>4617577
ok IQ tests are a little overrated but
am I the only one who thinks judging fish by its ability to climb trees isnt good analogy to judging peoples mental abilities with IQ tests

I scored at 134 on a Mensa test. I feel smarter than that. But that is because A am a lot more knowledgeable than other people my age (because I read a lot). However, it was a nonverbal test, so I'll probably score a bit higher if given a combined test since I'm better at language than numbers.

Scoring 130-140 makes me feel bad. I am not a genius. I am only in the 98th percentile. :(

>>4617577
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Albert_Einstein#Unsourced_and_dubious.2Foverly_modern_sources

That quote is probably fake.

I got 114.

I used to think i was a genius.

>>4617599
Base rate says that you are lying/wrong.
Base rate for 189 for a white person is about 1.4842290e-9.

I usually begin taking the IQ tests.

But then I get bored of how pointless they are, and I just rush through halfway to the end.

I usually score 135.

>>4617612

Oh, so you use statistical evidence to prove that I'm one in a million. That's very kind.

>>4617616
Wait, I should probably clarify:

I have been officially tested and have been accepted into gifted programs. I'm 140 based on actual psychoanalysis.

Doesn't mean anything though. I still have a 2.0 GPA and I don't have a job...

>>4617622
You are not even good at this. e-9 is one is a 'billion' (milliard) not a million. (Fucking US number system.)

>>4617616
>But then I get bored of how pointless they are, and I just rush through halfway to the end.

But they are not pointless. They are very good at predicting stuff. They are the best we have right now of predicting lots of stuff.

>>4617623
>I have been officially tested and have been accepted into gifted programs. I'm 140 based on actual psychoanalysis.

You don't seem to know what psychoanalysis is.

Ok, so you have good genes for smarts and bad genes for some other important things related to education, like conscientiousness. In other words, laziness.

>>4617622

>can't do basic math
>thinks he's a genius

>>4617563
>playstation in pic
and you didn't realize you were dumb till now?

>>4617629
He's not dumb. He is average. By world standards, he is actually pretty smart. World average is about 90. That wud mean that he is about 1sd above.

I got assessed professionally at ages 9, 12 and 17. It was 136 each time. Apparently I am an unchanging robot. It was actually sort of flattering since I went in, originally, without any expectations. I don't consider myself to be especially smart or I'd have accomplished more.

>>4617623
Don't tell me that's my future.
147 and 152 on the two occasions I was tested, and I'm failing all my classes.

TELL ME THIS IS NOT MY FUTURE

>>4617639

I have taken over 17 IQ tests. I only glance at the first problem before becoming bored but I always get at least a 129.

>>4617634
>I got assessed professionally at ages 9, 12 and 17. It was 136 each time.

IQs sometimes change during childhood, probably because that children's IQs are more affected by shared environment. The effect disappears when one reaches adulthood.

>I don't consider myself to be especially smart or I'd have accomplished more.

But you are apparently exceptionally smart sitting in the 99th percentile. However, since u have not achieved so much (which is what?) that means u are lacking in some other qualities that are relevant, such as long term memory, conscientiousness, openness to experience, curiosity, ambition etc.

>>4617647
> I have taken over 17 IQ tests. I only glance at the first problem before becoming bored but I always get at least a 129.

Over 17 eh. Which ones? If you just repeated the same one, then it is no surprise that u score so high while showing obvious signs of ADHD.

>I don't consider myself to be especially smart or I'd have accomplished more.

Aren't you the guy who did that Mars simulated thing? And you're living underwater? The fuck do you mean "Haven't accomplished much"?

Well whenever I take an online IQ test (I dont really have enough time, energy, motivation, or money to take an official one) I get around 116-118 (latest score.)

That is just above average but it is still disappointing. I didnt go into my first test expecting to be a genius but in a way its sad to think that that is the cap in my ability.

>>4617657
Online tests vary alot in their g-loadedness (how good measures they are of general intelligence). www.iqtest.dk is a pretty decent one. It is a Raven's test.

>That is just above average but it is still disappointing. I didnt go into my first test expecting to be a genius but in a way its sad to think that that is the cap in my ability.

Ability is only one thing. Many other things matter as well. But obviously, ability is very important. If u are around 120, that means pretty much all of society is open to u if u really want so, except perhaps theoretical physics or crazy complex math.

Here you go, OP. Anyone else with IQ insecurities, consult for comfort and understanding.

I for one have a solid IQ, but I've always wished it were higher (who doesn't?). I've noticed I'm an exceptionally good thinker in terms of broad, systematic understanding. I think with a methodology I don't believe many people employ, and it allows me to do things people with far higher IQs perhaps could not.

I'm not suggesting that we're all net sum equals in terms of attributes-- you don't need to look far to see that's completely false.

>But focus on what you do have, not what you don't.

>>4617678
Feynman's IQ was not 125.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/finding-the-next-einstein/201112/polymath-physicist-richard-feyn
mans-low-iq-and-finding-another

>>4617666
Hey.
Type out the word "you" properly. please.
Thanks.

Fascinating.

>>4617689
>Yet it has been reported-including by Feynman himself-that he only obtained a score of 125 on a school IQ test. I suspect that this test emphasized verbal, as opposed to mathematical, ability.

>I suspect

Cool story bro.

>>4617563
Grow up.

>>4617690
No thanks.

>>4617693
If u wud actually read the article, u wud see that he mentions many things that are extremely unlikely to be achieved by someone merely at the 95th percentile.

>>4617626
I know what psychoanalysis is.

Look, they were testing me for a lot of things when I was young. A lot of the issues I've had kind of blurred together.

I was a weird kid and I'm a weird adult now.
> In other words, laziness.
I don't like making excuses.

But honestly, it's kind of hard to give a fuck about school when your best friends are retards who think telling the cashier at McDonalds they got your order wrong is a great way to get free food.

Or when you try to tell people about the theory of relativity in 6th grade, and everyone stares at you like you're retarded.

I've hated academia for a while now. Instead I browse wikipedia for hours on end about whatever information I hear about or learn about on /sci/.

It's the most satisfying "education" I have ever had. But my life feels as meaningless as ever.

No one wants to talk about biology with me...
No one wants to talk about QM with me...
No one wants to talk about Neurology with me...

The closest I can ever get to a meaningful relationship is when I spend my time trolling people on /sci/, deliberately displaying my ignorance just so people will get angry enough at me to tell provide me with links to new sources of information.

>>4617563

You are still to realise that it's not everyone else that's stupid, it's you.

>>4617696
Yeah, I read it. It's all speculation.

I had a result of 124 when I was tested in 6th grade by a school psychologist. That was more than 6 years ago. I probably have an IQ of 105 now.

Everyone wishes they were an MMA fighting, James Bond smooth-talking, Calvin-Klein model-bodied, well tempered, individual, socially cultivated Albert Einstein braniac that can shoot guns, do karate, fuck tons of women and take mankind to new frontiers of knowledge in brilliant ways.

And yet... nobody is like this. Achieving personal happiness requires a level of acceptance of one's personal flaws.

You will NEVER be satisfied with your life if you are constantly plaguing yourself with self-absorbed inquiries as to the extent of your intellectual capabilities or your imagined state of 'full potential' (which is impossible to realize).

YES. MOST people are Average. That's what average means.

The sooner you realize that you're not going to be a Nobel Prize winner or an award winning author loved for generations, the sooner you can put your life on a realistic path to accomplish what deeds you see fit. If helping humanity is your thing, great! You can't find a Grand Unified Theory, but you sure as hell can pick up some chalk and teach a few 5th graders some tricks about math that make their least favorite subject their most beloved.

Self-abosprtion will never, ever, ever assist you in the conquest of happiness. It is perhaps the most significant barrier to happiness and accomplishment that exists. Get over yourself, and go make people happy and enjoy your life.

It's fine. You were going to die either way.

>>4617699
>But honestly, it's kind of hard to give a fuck about school when your best friends are retards who think telling the cashier at McDonalds they got your order wrong is a great way to get free food.

U don't think the solution is to change begin changing ur friend network? Attending university helps with that. It is also possible to find brilliant people to talk with online. My favorite filosofer is still alive and i talk with him over email from time to time.

>Or when you try to tell people about the theory of relativity in 6th grade, and everyone stares at you like you're retarded.

I recall being bullied in school becus i denied the existence of chance (i.e., i was a determinist). They others didn't understand that. (Just a related personal anecdote.)

>>4617706
Actually, he should just kill himself. Or at least get sterilized. The last thing we need are more sub-120s reproducing.

SIEG IQ!

>>4617701
U give the impression of not understanding probabilities and weighing the evidence.

>Feynman was universally regarded as one of the fastest thinking and most creative theorists in his generation.

>Feynman received the highest score in the country by a large margin on the notoriously difficult Putnam mathematics competition exam, although he joined the MIT team on short notice and did not prepare for the test.

>He also reportedly had the highest scores on record on the math/physics graduate admission exams at Princeton.

Obviously, he did well at nonverbal tasks. So, if the 125 score is legit, it was either a bogus test or a verbal one. If it is legit and verbal, then he seems to have a large difference between his verbal skills and nonverbal skills. This is in fact quite common for physicists, but even more so for mathematicians.

No, it is not just speculation. It is weighing the evidence and choosing the most reasonable option from the available evidence.

>>4617699

Good God man, pull yourself together. You think you're the only smart kid on the block?

Go to community college, join the math club, get on meetup.com and join a chess club or a book club. There are tons of people with interests in those topics-- in fact I'd say pretty much everyone is interested in them to some extent!

Bring these subjects up with your friends. They probably have a lot more to say on these subjects than you suspect. You might even find they know a lot more than you!

And don't be so scared of finding your limits that you don't ever put yourself out there. I wasted all four years at my high school not lifting a finger to try. Deep down inside I was afraid that if I put my fullest effort in and didn't come out with the highest scores in my classes, it would force me to realize I'm not as brilliant as I wish.

>>4617718
It's all meaningless anyway. He's dead. His brilliance could not save him. The only winners are the living. That's why biological immortality is so important, and why we should all be in the cryo thread talking about preservation.

Besides, transhumanism is the future. Only a sad, dreamless man would dwell on primate intelligence when a cyborg future is on the horizon.

>>4617708
>Attending university helps with that.
I'm attending a University.

It doesn't help. Freshmen year in the dorms was hell. The people in my hall were class-A douchebags who would torment me day by day.

My roommate committed phone sex with with a 14 year old girl in our room... while I was awake.

I don't like people anymore.

>>4617718
Copying and pasting the shitty article won't make a difference. Feynman took the test and got that score. Any other interpretations are within the realm of speculation, which is okay as long as you acknowledge that.

The correct philosophy to approach the IQ test with was once offered by no less a man than Stephen Hawking:

>I have no idea [what my IQ is]. People who boast about their IQ are losers.

While you have perhaps learned a valuable lesson in humility, the correct approach is to never bother with the fucking things in the first place.

>>4617722
>Bring these subjects up with your friends.
I have.

>They probably have a lot more to say on these subjects than you suspect. You might even find they know a lot more than you!

"So I was just studying about stem cells earlier today. I've been reading up on them and trying to understand what causes the cells to differentiate."
>Oh, I don't believe in stem cells.
"... What?"
>Yeah. I think it should be against the law.
"..."

>Got into an argument
>MY IQ IS 146 ERGO I MUST BE CORRECT!!!
>ME: "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR IQ IS. Anyway, to blame our economy on one race is-"
>U JEALOUS!!!

>IQ Tests
>Intelligence Quotient
>[Mental Age/Chronological Age] X100
>Invention of Psychologists

I don't trust psychologists.

>>4617728
>Copying and pasting the shitty article won't make a difference. Feynman took the test and got that score. Any other interpretations are within the realm of speculation, which is okay as long as you acknowledge that.

Not all 'speculation' is alike. The article states many reasons to doubt that Feynman's g was 125 (which is the relevant claim anyway, not about IQ). It almost certainly was not. The evidence is rather conclusive about that. What his g exactly was, it is not so easy to know. One can make reasonable estimates.

>>4617747
IQ is not measured like that anymore. If u want to criticize psychometrics, at least know a bit about it.

>>4617733
Oh, and another thing I learned the hard-way.

When your church councilor tells your confirmation group that God works in mysterious ways...

Never respond with "So do my bowels".

And pregnant teachers don't find dead baby jokes to be funny when they're pregnant.

I don't try to be a smartass. I just don't have a fucking clue...

>>4617752

Then don't use the words Intelligence Quotient since you use Gaussian distribution to get a standard set of statistical data.

This only hurts my feelings about psychology even more...

>>4617770
IQ/g follows a Gaussian distribution. What are u on about?

You assholes need to get off this IQ hiccup.

>>4617603
>mensa
>not combined testing

either you lie, or Mensa isn't legit and I should try my luck there.

>122 IQ tested in 3 combined sections
>tfw you still feel stupid

>>4617911
Not lying. Altho my local Mensa has switched to a new test. It is mostly the same as the old one. The new one is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_Reasoning_Test

I know becus a friend of mine just went there and got tested. U can try urself on an online version http://www.psychometric-success.com/practice-papers/Psychometric%20Success%20Abstract%20Reasoning%20
-%20Practice%20Test%201.pdf

115 liberal arts and social sciences master race.

>>4617634
same thing happened to me, except 135

>>>Validating self-intelligence by IQ test

Yes op , you are an idiot , sorry.

>>4617666
>www.iqtest.dk

why do people keep posting this garbage.. its a terrible test

this one is much more accurate for a free online test

http://www.cerebrals.org/wp/tests/jcti/209-2/

144, 149 and 156 the three occasions I was tested.

I'm lazy as shit unfortunately. I did well in school because I just showed up and learned a lot from being there. But I'm in Uni now and not doing so well. I don't go to classes nor study. I've managed to pass (just) into 3rd year so far by just reading the whole course a few days before the exam, but I don't know if its going to work this year...

Sucks, because I know that if I was motivated I would do very well.

>>4618232
It's a Raven's test. Those are pretty good, among the best.

>>4618239
http://www.cerebrals.org/wp/tests/jcti/209-2/

is a ravens test too, except it sucks less

>>4618239

ffs that test doesn't even ask you your age, and you want me to take it seriously!?!?!, are you challenged... any accurate iq test has to know your age to give an accurate answer

THE TEST IS A JOKE! (as most online iq bullshit is as well)

>>4617666
Tried taking this test. Scored 126. Meh, seems about right.

>>4618232

took www.cerebrals.org/wp/tests/jcti/209-2/ a few days ago, scored 143

www.iqout.com is another test based on Raven's matrices, and much more stressful. You get 45 seconds per question, and the questions can get ridiculously difficult.

>>4617631
The world average is 100. It is altered to be 100. The average is always 100.

I always get between 116 and 136, although 118 seems to be a favourite with online IQ tests.

Which is amusing considering I know I am higher. It isn't so much ego as much as the fact I breeze through exams (not just knowledge but critical thinking) and have a above average ability in spatial abilities and memory. This has been noted by about 3 treating psychologist and a few of my more psychology based professors during my Bachelors. I just have a short attention span and problems with understanding language which I think brings down my score.

>>4618310
>>4618310

in theory it should be, however the problem is the predominantly in use iq tests are averaged around the test taking audience, meaning alot of the third world is missing, so the actual world average is nearer to 90

also there is a phenomenon over time scores on any iq test increase, the answer to why this occurs still isnt known but periodically iq tests become inaccurate the longer it has been since they were calibrated, a test that is just a few years old can often be 5-10 points too high very easily

>>4618235
Are you me from the past? My IQ is 150 and I had the same experiences with college and high school. The problem was I got so used to not having to try that by junior year or so when I should have tried or at least showed up to class I didn't, and my grades suffered. Learn from my mistakes!

Where do you find these official IQ tests?

>>4618327
this happens to alot of smart people, happened to me too to the point i failed college, but i started 6 companies so far now (4 bankrupt) on my own i found the necessary motivation to be successful

>>4618336
Funny. I've also started 2 companies and working on a third. These have finally got me motivated at 26.

>>4618235
>>4618327

Are you guys sure that your IQs are really that high? I do the exact same thing you guys are describing and in lower level classes an A was easy, in higher level courses, studying 2-3 hours before the exam with only required homework done (when there is usually none) and no before hand information. I can usually struggle a little, but still pull around a B/B+. I doubt my IQ is higher than 110-120 so I'm not sure how you guys have 150s but are not doing well (despite being lazy). In high school I just sat in class and got straight As, I never read anything before hand. Either I'm way smarter than I think I am or your IQ tests are flukes, and no offense, but I suspect the latter.

>>4617706
Those things are crazy, but why shouldn't people aspire to be the crazy intelligent athlete who is also musically and academically gifted? If you never aspire to these things, of course you'll never get there. Most of this is habit. You have to make a habit of doing these things, of studying, of practicing your art, of working out, etc. I mean we could get into philosophy with the ubermensch, etc., but I think just giving up and saying "it's hard" will never help.

>>4618376

B/B+ is when I was talking about higher level courses.

the most important part of intelligence is to ask yourself questions and never accept as true something that is told to you. one of the highest IQ in the world is a christian, that means he is a retard (he couldn't get rid of the brainwash he got in his youth) , IQ is more related to your reasoning speed than your intelligence.

>>4618376
Yes I am sure. The problem is I didn't attend class very often or do the homework either, thus when I tried to study (rarely) I was starting from scratch. Also this only became a problem in either upper level classes or ones that required a lot of specific memorizations. Oh, I also didn't pay attention when I was in class. Still graduated with a 3.0 though, so meh.

Your IQ is probably higher than you think TBH. Most people I know in that range have to work pretty hard to get good grades.

>>4618376

If you think for one second that anyone here actually has the high iq they profess to have, you are a moron. /sci/ consists largely of college freshmen who think passing physics 105 and taking an online iq test means they are highly intelligent. I doubt even five percent of people here have iq's over 125. Even if they do, iq doesn't mean dick if you never accomplish anything or contribute to society.

>>4618399
Jelly low iq fag detected.

>>4618399
>>4618399
actually for a site like this the median iq would likely be about 125-130, of course people will inflate their scores and the lower iq are far less likely to brag so the scores that are posted will likely be from higher scorers meaning that even if the scores posted here are a mean around 140 its likely barbecue lowfags are reluctant to post plus the inflation from lying

hey, if you're mediocre, then people don't expect much of you aside from mediocre stuff.

That's a good thing, I guess.

>>4618232
Just tried it and got 133. There's always been plenty of evidence pointing towards me having a much higher level of intelligence than my uni friends but I still don't feel I'm superior in any way. Am I wrong in thinking that everyone else can outdo me if they just put in some more effort into their work?

>>4617563
IQ is average you fagogt. That means half the people are dumber than you, half are smarter than you.

>>4618444
yes easily, in fact that test in specific is measuring your deductive reasoning,

"Deductive reasoning, also called deductive logic, is the process of reasoning from one or more general statements regarding what is known to reach a logically certain conclusion.[1] Deductive reasoning involves using given true premises to reach a conclusion that is also true. Deductive reasoning contrasts with inductive reasoning in that a specific conclusion is arrived at from a general principle. If the rules and logic of deduction are followed, this procedure ensures an accurate conclusion."

as you can imagine, being good at deductive reasoning would allow you to do things like ace tests you havent studied for, (if the answers can be reasoned form your present knowledge base)

but for practical and applied problems in every day life you often are missing vital information or experience, im sure anyone average could outperform you if they put all their effort forth and you were lazy and didnt do shit

>>4617563
Prove the IQ system wrong by achieving greatness.

>>4618479
Even if he proved himself to be the most skilled person in any intellectual endeavor (math, chess, music) to have ever lived, it would not prove the IQ system wrong.

>>4617563
faggot thinks his IQ is 189 " proven by psychologists"
What kind of a low life lies about their IQ, pathetic.

>>4618479
>Prove the IQ system wrong

The IQ system is a definition of intelligence. You can't prove a definition wrong.

>be me
>168 iq
>can't tie shoes
>can't can't numbers in ascending order

>dat autism
>all doise poiple
>all doise hamboigas

>>4618232
i just took it, note that i was very careful and took my time answering the questions so maybe my score is a little higher than it should be compared to someone who did the test faster? not sure

>>4618829
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/IQtable.aspx
144

99.8323213712%


596

99.7020181412%


>one out of 336

>feels goodman

>IQ tests are the definition of intelligence

So black people are stupider than white people, as IQ tests have shown time and time again.

>Hey you fucking racist, that's not true! Fuck you IQ tests are inherently flawed baww baww blah blah blah

I joined MENSA two weeks ago. I'm going to the first meeting next Thursday. Wonder what's it like.
>152 on Cattell scale

>>4618869
probably aspie heaven, ill bet alot of MLP fans

having not read a single bit of what others wrote, her's my 2cts :

intelligent is like the car and the driver :
you can have slow car but know how to drive, and fast car but use it like shit !!!

IQ is only about how fast the car can go, not about you handle it !

>>4618897

I'm really hoping English ins't your first language.

I get typically 140-145 on IQ tests but I don't think that's where success comes from.

Sure it MAY measure intelligence (or not idgaf) but success is all about dedication.

I don't really like those stories where they say

>X had [5-6 s.d. higher than average IQ] and only did [unimportant thing]
>Y had [1 s.d higher than average IQ] and accomplished [big long list of achievements]

They're anecdotes. Statistically, IQ is a very good indicator for later success and happiness.

Mensa: 126 or more
That danish one in this thread: 122
Cerberals test in this thread: 132
Other test posted on /sci/ don't remember which: 130
That really stressful one that gives you 45 sec for each question: 104

I don't even know.

>>4619056

I don't think you're meant to do lots in succession. Retest effect and all.

>>4619082
I only did any of those once. The questions were all different, and only two of them were done in the duration of this thread.

>>4618301
135, and I got bored and started randomly clicking after Q34. Used to be higher, but I'm old and haven't kept up with studies. Well that and weed...

>>4619131

How many questions are there total on that one?

this shits lasting for ever

>>4619133
it changes based on how many you start missing, if you start fucking up it ends the test, usually it will end at 52 unless you are a super genius or retarded, if it ends at 30 you know you dun goofed

>>4618990
I wonder if the one with the Korean vs. Feynman has a typo, or if everyone misunderstood the point and it's really highlighting the incredible work that little kid has done in the hitherto unknown field of hydrulaics.

>>4619133
Test ends at question 6.. dolan please

>>4619148
hydraluics*

Feh, that's what I get for poking fun at a typo.

>>4619156
That's an especially hydrulaic error.

>>4619056
You shouldn't really count the last one.

/sci/ claims it's the most accurate just because it's the hardest one, but I also got results similar to yours.

I did 5 or 4 IQ tests in my life. They were all very different and several years apart, ranging from actual mensa tests to discontinued 15 minute facebook tests. They ALL gave me about 131 +/- 2.

That stressful one gave me 109

The guy who invented the IQ test said explicitly that it should not be used to compare people to one another.

Then some Americans used it to "prove" that black people were less intelligent than white. (Most of the black people tested couldn't even read, so the test was obviously rigged)


Just some historical information

>>4618245
Got 128.

Had a really long test some years ago at my highschool, scored 129 there in general.
I'm content.

>>4619412
>Then some Americans used it to "prove" that black people were less intelligent than white. (Most of the black people tested couldn't even read, so the test was obviously rigged)
...and then we got universal education, but the results didn't change.