/sci/ - Science & Math

fuck yourself, faggot.

>>4612480
I do that twice a day thank you very much.

>Engineeringfags
Sage for redundancy

lots of math

fuckloads of work, followed by fuckloads of drinking. rinse and repeat till graduated

also prepare to resent any and all social sciences for calling their piece of toilet paper a degree

>>4612536
>engineers
>unjustified sense of superiority

>>4612556
>social sciences student

engineers actually earn their degrees...or rather, our degrees are actually worth something

>totally justified

>>4612556
http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp
u mad?

he mad? he mad

pic related

>>4612574
im not a social science student, rather pointing out how laughable it is that engineers think that getting their degree is hard or something

soon to be nuclear undergrad student also standing by. 'sup bro? just going to big state U or somewhere else?

See that big bright glowing sphere outside, in the sky?

Yeah, you won't be seeing that for a long time.

>>4612636
I don't know what you're talking about.

First couple of years are cool (intro to physics, chem, calc, programming, etc), then things get pretty lame (strength of materials, advanced strength of materials, finite element, how-much-should-you-preload-this-bolt 101), then things get pretty cool again (senior design, controls, mechanical vibrations, acoustics).

Take math electives. You won't be required to take more than calc and basic linear algebra but some analysis can't hurt, especially if you're going to go to grad school.

>>4612627
You're dumb dude.
No bachelor degree is hard. It's just some are easier to get than others.
If you think there is one, then you obviously aren't the genius you thought you were.

>>4612642

The Sun.

>>4612628
What's that film bout?

>>4612653
>No bachelor degree is hard

Try completing an engineering degree in 4 years.

>>4612677
Graduating this semester with a 3.9 from FSU~ in civil.
inb4 civil is easier.
it is :P

protip: dont skip class. sounds fun, youll regret it later. if you have to choose between going to class and tutorial, choose tutorial. dont ever miss a tutorial.

in the uk, first year is a bit easier cause they know youll be wasted/hungover most of the time. second year is there to rape you up the ass to make sure you should actually be at the uni. im aero eng

Not OP, but I'm stuck on whether I should go in to mechanical or electrical engineering. Which one should I do /sci/?
I like computers, and I'm not interested in cars/engines, but I'm already accepted in to a mechanical engineering program in BCIT. Also if you guys know these schools what's your opinion on UBC and BCIT?

>>4612677
For the record, i'm not saying it's not a lot of work. I just don't think the material is as hard as people make it out to be.

How hard is engineering physics and what can you do after university with it?

>>4612693
Do electrical. Mechanical will bore you to death if you're not really interested in engines/gears/bearings and whatnot. I speak from experience.

>>4612694

ill agree with you there. its the volume of the work thats hard, mainly because we have to be more organised than others

english course with 1 hour lecture a week =/= 40 hours of lectures, labs & tutorials a week, plus home reading/assignments. theres a reason we get paid more

>>4612704
Alright thanks.

>>4612701
Assuming you're not retarded and looking into a fully accredited EP program, your job outlook will mostly depend on what your personal projects were and where you did internships

>>4612479


Mechanical engineer here. Engineering is extremely challenging and rewarding, but be ready to work like you've never worked before. Brush up on your math skills. Engineering in general takes a lot of dedication. My days usually consisted of class from ~9 to ~2, then homework until work at ~6, then more homework after work until about midnight at the earliest. That may not be the case for everyone (I did research and I was really worried about grades, so I was always a perfectionist on my work, thus taking longer), but be prepared to go out partying/bars maybe once or twice per month. For the love of Christ, make sure you REALLY understand what you are learning. It makes it much easier in later courses, because everything builds on everything. For context, I am a mechanical engineer specializing in fluid mechanics and heat transfer. I want to go to grad school for aerospace engineering, get a masters, and work for a military aerospace contractor.

>>4612815

Now for a story, since you asked:

1/2

>Junior level design course
>Three projects throughout the term that build on one another
>Worth something like 90 percent of your grade
>Partners determined by the stupid Myers-Briggs test or some such bullshit (seriously, personality tests are the biggest crock of shit)
>Paired with a few people I don't know, but they are pretty nice (I'm still friends with them)
>They may be nice, but as I'm about to find out, not particularly amazing as partners
>First project assigned
>Divvy up the work
>I do my part well in advance and to the best of my ability
>I don't hear much from my partners as the due date approaches
>I don't hound them because I'm not "that guy"
>A few days before the due date, they assure me they will send me their work
>Kind of want to review it first, but there was no practical way to do so (other stuff on my plate)
>Morning of due date (due by noon, uploaded to the class server; it was somewhat similar to a wiki in format)
>Finally receive the fucking work at last

>>4612821

2/2

>I read it over
>Complete and utter shit
>FML
>Scramble to fix as much as I can in the remaining hour
>Submit
>Weeks later, get grade
>D-
>rageguy.png
>Check the grade breakdown
>My work received full credit
>MY FUCKING FACE WHEN
>Resolve to do all the work myself from here on
>Get an 'A' on the subsequent projects (by doing the ENTIRE project myself, no mean feat)
>My face when the 'D-' brings my final grade to an 'A-', short of an 'A' by something like 0.5%
>Professor made it clear in the syllabus that no adjustments will occur, so I don't ask

Needless to say, sometimes other people will make your life hell. But this was easily the worst experience. The rest of my experience was overwhelmingly positive.

Stupid flood detection...

I'm in EE currently, changing programs next year as I've realized it's not my thing. I took the honors freshman engineering sequence at my school last year and this year I took a handful of EE courses. From my experience, you should expect to take a lot of math and physics, but only be really required to know how to use the math. Engineering courses try to cram as much information into as little time as possible, and thus often gloss over the finer aspects of the subjects. This is really counter-intuitive if you ask me, because the slightly longer time spent learning the subjects more in-depth would make it easier to learn other derived subjects down the road. In either case, you will take have relatively heavy course loads every term which will involve multiple labs. If that's your sort of thing, you will do well. It's very time consuming and you will have to work hard to stay at the very top of all your classes.

>>4612826
actually thats worth a warning too. when you do group projects, professors wont give a shit if someone didnt do their share. you get graded on the WHOLE project, not your part (or at most, it will be weighted). so coordinate that fucker

>>4612826
>>4612821
>I don't hound them because I'm not "that guy"

And that's why you have shit grades and no girlfriend; you're too beta to take action in your life.

>>4612860

Wrong on many counts, I'm afraid. My grades are not shit (3.7/4.0) and I'm not beta. I chose to give the team the benefit of the doubt and got burned. Lesson learned. The only part you're correct about is that I am, in fact, single.

>>4612694


>civil
>commenting on genuinely difficult disciplines like EE

I don't even.

>>4612888
What year are you into your EE degree?

>>4612826

For the record, most engineers are NOT like this guy, and more like his two partners. Most are pretty cool people who are there to struggle just as much as you. I know /sci/ claims to be full of superior genius children with solid 3.9 GPA's but most are just normal people who struggle as much as the next person.

I finished my Electrical Engineering degree last year and I'm doing a masters in power system design.

You're in 3rd year in civil claiming engineering is a piece of cake if you do a bit of work. Civil, assuming you're one of those spatially aware guys who took technical graphics subjects before, is all babby mechanics like structures and soil mechanics with a load of labs thrown in.

>>4612899

I wasn't implying that I don't struggle like everyone else. Struggling is one thing. Doing a shitty job and screwing everyone is another. This was the latter. I trusted my team to do a decent job. They didn't care and did a crappy job. If anything, I was too nice about it. Caring about one's grades does not make one a jerk or uncool.

>>4612915

Dude you were probably in first year, when nothing counts and people are fully aware how little something stupid like a project counts. This shit doesn't get pulled on you in 3rd year engineering. Yes, it's a pain in the ass but expecting so rabble durka

>>4612923

I said at the beginning of the story that this was a third year course. It was my third year.

>>4612910
Who are you addressing out of curiosity?

>>4612844
>often gloss over the finer aspects of the subject
That's how modern degrees are hence my comment about bachelors not being terribly difficult. The average engineering degree used to be ~150 hours. It's now closer to ~125 for most. The body of work in a subject grows while the classes teaching you about it diminish. It doesn't make fucking sense haha.
Really though, the boards are recognizing the weakness in a bachelors.
Get ready to get a masters for your PE in a few years haha.

>>4612915

Once you've gone through bad professors, you'll learn why there's still people like those well into 3rd and 4th year of college, take for example my current Material Mechanic Professor:

>First and second (Friday) day of meetings he's absent.
>Monday he finally shows up, his excuse is that he was stranded in Germany, acceptable excuse.
>First exam he delays it twice because students felt they weren't ready, fine.
>Finally gives exam the same week I got Physics II and Calc 3 exams.
>Starts new material, and then finishes and starts wondering about the next exam's date.
>Comes first date of second exam, students pull the "we aren't ready" card and he moves it a week.
>Next week, professor is absent first two meetings, comes for Friday meeting.
>He doesn't give the exam because students go "bu...but you weren't here and we couldn't inquire for our doubts".
>"Fine, we'll move exam to next week, on Monday discuss doubts, Wednesday exam, I can't be here on Friday because Spring Break, gotta travel early."
>Comes monday, no ones has questions.
>Comes Wednesday, he's absent.
>No meeting on Friday.
>Every fucking professor in campus decided their mid terms were the week after spring break and now I got this as added work
>Study got 5 exams when I return.
>Fail on the important Physics II exam studying for this exam
>He moves it ANOTHER week, wasted my time on potentially saving my Physics II grade.
>The last week he tells us tomorrow we got another exam after the second one (finally) last Wednesday.
>After tomorrow, he'll have to give us another exam next week to have the required examinations.

>>4613045

Oh and worst yet, everyone of those students I mentioned whining to get the exam moved?

They went ahead and just cheated on the fucking exam, professor came, handed out the exam (ONE FUCKING SIMPLE SHAFT TO GET MAX ALLOWABLE TORSION CALCULATED), and walked out of the classroom to stare out into the sun.

I kid you not, the fucking professor walked out of the classroom to stare at the god damned sun outside, then came in 5 mins remaining to say the exam was over.

Tomorrow I'm expecting the same deal, so I haven't really studied as hard as I did for the last one, it's wasted effort.

>>4613058

I know that feel, bro. Fortunately it's been many years since I've had a professor that bad. And you're definitely right: that sort of professor does not make the best idiot filter...

people on here constantly make engineering sound like it's fucking a shit load of work; it's really not. seriously, all you have to do is manage your time wisely. I know so many fuckign kids who are constantly like "omg man I'm fuckign swamped I have like 20 hours of homework everyday". Well not shit bruh, if you leave your shit till the night it's due, then you will fucking have a tonne of homework to do.

>>4613232

Protip: the first year is nothing like later years.

>>4613254

no. I just graduated. If you manage your time effectively every year is the same.

>Junior year
>Get accepted into the EE program
>First EE class, basic circuit analysis
>Fucking teacher gives us exams every week
>Stupid bullshit non-technical questions like how lightning works and shit
>Has us build potato batteries for a lab
>Scales the class so that 4 people get a 4.0 in a 200 person class.

HOLY SHIT I MAD.

Hopeful CS/Mechanincal Engineering double major here

>tfw you're already set for freshman year
My freshman year schedule is going to be physics/calc 1 and 2/chem/gen ed/intro engineering

Considering I already have the calc/physics/chem down from APs, it should be an easy first year... right?

Finishing off my second year of aerospace engineering and basically, be prepared to work a lot more than in high school. I was the kind of student who just coasted with good marks in high school cause I just found the stuff we learned easy, and I got a bit of a rude awakening in my first year. Keep up with your work, and go to tutorials.

The projects are damn fun though (be prepared for team work), although a lot of work. First year we designed and built wind tunnels, and second year we did gliders. If you really want to get the most out of the applied side of things, join a technical society because you won't ever get to actually build what you design/analyse once you're an engineer in a company. I'm in a rocketry group and we're currently working on the carbon fiber skin for our rocket that's gonna fly up to 10 000 feet.

>apply for mechanical engineering
>requires chemistry 12
What the hell?

I'm not gonna read through the thread but as an undergraduate phy student teaching all the calc bases phys labs the mech eng students were shit ass stupid. They seemed to take pride in being terrible at physics which is surprising considered all they were doing was applied physics.

Don't be an ignorant asshole. Learn your physics. Don't be proud to get horrible grades in classes and compare them to other brain dead engineering students. Also, never utter the phrase "ill never use this". It doesnt matter. As an engineer you need to know and at least be exposed to lots of math and science. Even if you dont use it it is a right of passage to pass all those classes every engineer before you did.

Bamp for justice

>>4613451
Is a high B average, including calculus and math 12, retarded?

>>4612821
>Partners determined by the stupid Myers-Briggs test or some such bullshit (seriously, personality tests are the biggest crock of shit)

any advice on how to get someone like you as my partner?

i would haaaatteee to have to end up doing all the work...

I just got accepted into Bath for mech eng, bumping this thread for interest.

>>4612815
>how much do you earn?
>is it fun?
>what are working hours like?

I majored in EE. My company did all the electrical contracting for the CAA talent agency building in Century City (LA). That place was filled with beautiful women from all over the world looking for fame. Lots of ex-models work there.

The entire company is run by men with liberal arts degrees, as is ICM and WME. These guys are the real life Ari Golds from Entourage.

I work with ugly, goofball males and the rare ugly dike type woman. My EE degree is worthless when it comes to meeting women.

>>4612993
Well, I'm not going to finish my EE so it doesn't really matter. I'm switching into math because that's what I should've done from the beginning.

>>4614678
>implying I want to meet women
>implying I don't enjoy cocks

I am a first year electronic engineering student.
It's way more difficult than lyceum (the concept of high school doesn't make sense on the european continent) but doable if you take time everyday to study and never miss a lecture.

>>4613832

The best advice I can give is to work with people you know.

>>4614522

I'm not graduated, but the internship I'm on now pays the equivalent of 34k per year. Of course the starting salary for a full engineer is much higher. It depends on the industry.

It's really fun if you legitimately like engineering. This is purely subjective. I love anything to do with mechanics, so engineering is legitimately my passion.

Working hours depend on your pay method. Hourly employees will likely get 40/week but the vast majority of jobs are salaried. My internship is by the hour but the salaried guys work a LOT. I don't know any exact numbers but I would guess 50/week average.

>>4612993
Its already been decided. As of 2020 you will have to get a masters to get a P.E. if you dont have one already.

>engineering
>babby science

pick both

>>4614865
I enjoy learning about science and how to apply it. Y u mad?

Bumping with OC.