/sci/ - Science & Math

>neuroscience
>hard science
ISHYGDDT

Because noone on this site knows jack shit about neuroscience.

>>4565458
it says science at the top, not HARD science. Fuck off idiot.

You obviously haven't been around here much. There have been many threads on neuroscience or the brain in general.

>>4565457
There's neuroscience PhD students here you piece of shit underage fuck

>>4565458
It's sure as hell a harder science than fucking Zoology you piece of shit! You need cable theory and electrodynamics to model neuronal networks and action potentials.

>>4565457
Some (like CNS) do, but they don't post often enough.
>>4565465
I've been here since 1 GET, but okay. In absolute terms perhaps quite a few threads about neuroscience have been posted, but in relative terms not so much. And the threads that do sort of relate to neuroscience are mostly about consciousness and brain hacks and shit like that.

>>4565466

>>4565470
>but they don't post often enough.
I'm around, but I'm busy. When I create a thread I commit to making it a good one, so that takes a bit of time.

On a slightly unrelated note, I see you saved that picture I keep posting.

>>4565477
>I'm around, but I'm busy.

>>4565458
Say that next time you have a stroke.

>>4565477
I am studying biology and I am thinking about continuing my studies in the neuroscience field.

Would you mind telling me, what is the biggest part of neuroscience (biology, maths, physics, chemistry,...?)
And another thing, what are the real possibilities about carer in neuroscience, what can you do with a MSc or PhD in it.

Thanks.

>>4565595
>Would you mind telling me, what is the biggest part of neuroscience (biology, maths, physics, chemistry,...?)
It depends on which field you are interested in. For the most part, biology is essential. Chemistry and maths come a close second, but depending on the field both physics and maths are very important. For in-vivo experiments etc you need to know your chemistry and electrophysiology for instance. With whole-brain systems analyses (EEG or MEG) and MRI you'd rely more heavily on trigonometry, matrix algebra and classical electrodynamics respectively.

Don't let all these things scare you off though. It sounds harder than it really is. Generally you'll learn the most important concepts from every field, in an applied manner (that also depend on your university though).
>And another thing, what are the real possibilities about carer in neuroscience, what can you do with a MSc or PhD in it.
With an MSc, not so much. In most European countries it's a prerequisite to do a PhD. You'd most likely be able to get a job as a teacher, or work for a pharmaceutical company. With a PhD, options are also a bit limited. Most neuroscience PhD's go into research. Do the science thing. If you specialize in clinical neuroscience, you'd be possibly able to treat patients as well, next to doing research. Sometimes people go into consultancy jobs (e.g. advise governments on scientific matters) or work for funding organizations. Those jobs mostly do require some experience as a researcher though.

Becuase /sci/ is about physics, not science

>>4565642
That`s fine because I love interdisciplinary studies - on of the reasons I have chosen studying biology in the first place.

More or less I`m deciding between biochemistry/drug innovation research and neuroscience and both interest me greatly, although neuroscience has a special attractiveness because there is still a lot to discover there.

But the one thing that scares me most is being unemployed after spending a bunch of money for a quality education. I would love researching or being an uni professor but I know that there is not enough place for everybody

>>4565690
As in any field of science, things get progressively more competitive the higher up the academic ladder you climb. Not only are there fewer and fewer positions as you progress to the top, your competitors become smarter and more accomplished. That being said, neuroscience is one of the better fields in this respect. Because it is such a young science, and because it has a large societal impact, it is well funded. That means PhD positions are relatively easy to get if you commit to finding one after you graduate. Most people I know (including me) even got their position because they did an internship and the professor was pleased with the work.

>>4565458

thanks for providing a useful criticism of the original poster's theory, EK.

>stop derailing threads
>if you don't like having strangers stalk you, stop using your trip

>>4565717
Hmm... This sounds pretty well then. I should probably apply alot more than I ever did, especially after reading how much time you spend for your PhD because everything till now has been more or less child`s play but this stuff really interests me so I think I`ll be able to handle it.

Thanks for all the answers and I am looking forward to more of your neuroscience related threads that you start from time to time

BTW, if you don`t mind telling, where are you doing your Phd (I will understand if you wish to keep the school name private but country would be nice)

>>4565753
>I should probably apply alot more than I ever did, especially after reading how much time you spend for your PhD
To be honest, I don't think I'm a very representative PhD student. I'm in an excellence program, which requires, well, excellent work. That means I have to put in more hours than usual (and sometimes more than I like to). Doing a PhD is very possible by working from 9 to 5, with plenty of time off as well.

>Thanks for all the answers and I am looking forward to more of your neuroscience related threads that you start from time to time
No problem. I look forward to having something interesting to start a thread about again ;)

>BTW, if you don`t mind telling, where are you doing your Phd (I will understand if you wish to keep the school name private but country would be nice)
I'm generally hesitant to put personal information on 4chan, but I think I've already given out this information a bunch of times before. I work for the University of Amsterdam, the Netherlands.

Didn't exactly mean for this thread to turn into career advice general, but oh well.

Brofist CNS, you're the tripfag that singlehandedly makes this board awesome.

>>4565793
Just one more question and then I will stop annoying you :)
What did you study as undergrad student?
Because I have a chance to transfer to international psychology programme in Groningen Uni, but I think that biology is probably better foundation for a possible future carrier in neuroscience?

>>4565871
>Just one more question and then I will stop annoying you :)
No worries, ask as many as you like. I don't mind helping people out.
>What did you study as undergrad student?
As a bachelor student I did biology actually. Same as you. I specialized in neurobiology though. As a masters I did cognitive neuroscience.

Psychology can be OK if you want to get into neuroscience as well I guess. There are some good programs that offer biological psychology courses. I found that learning about basic neuronal function helped me a lot in understanding system dynamics quite a lot though, but that might just be a matter of preference.

>>4565870
>Didn't exactly mean for this thread to turn into career advice general, but oh well.
Sorry about that.

>>4565912
Hmm I will probably continue studying biology then and I will just choose as many behavior related courses as possible, or I will take some that psychologists do here (it is possible do to that in my country).

BTW, what is your opinion about quantum biology, especially the parts about the brains and mind. It is becoming quite popular but there is a lot of bullshit and it is hard to find reliable articles on it.

pls explain the libet experiment.

>>4565939
>BTW, what is your opinion about quantum biology, especially the parts about the brains and mind. It is becoming quite popular but there is a lot of bullshit and it is hard to find reliable articles on it.
This is a field that I'm not very well versed in to be honest. And quite frankly, that's because most of what I have read about it is quite speculative to say the least. Frankly, I think that quantum consciousness and all that stuff borders on pseudoscience. Quantum effects are highly unlikely to have macroscopic effects within the brain.

That being said, I don't want to come off as denying any quantum effects potentially contributing to neuronal function. There are some cool things within cellular biology that relate to this (e.g. wave-like electronic quantum coherence facilitating photosynthesis). It's just the consciousness stuff that I don't like.

Alright, I have to run. It's getting kind of late here and I have to work again tomorrow ;)

I learned a few tricks from neuroscience regarding how things work that might've taken me a while to figure out through introspection, but in general neuroscience < introspection + logical precision in thought