/sci/ - Science & Math

To real math and science forums.

They left to forums and stackexchange and are doint actual research now. You should do the same. /sci/ is shit and can only become worse.

>>4548076
Where/what are those? Please respond.

>>4548078
Thanks.

>>4548079
Physics Forums.
Stackexchange.
math cafe.
etc.

I frequent stackexchange and physics forums myself. Don't know about any other anons(or tripfags)

>>4548078
>>4548079
http://www.physicsforums.com/
http://stackexchange.com/

To name two.

>>4548084
>>4548083
lol

i went to them a while back ant tried it, but the people there have no sense of humor, not to mention you cant really have a conversation with anyone. that's why i come back to sci every time, if i need some technical information ill go to one of them, but just everyday science discussions, sci is best, even with the trolls and shirt.

>/sci/ will never be good
>/sci/ will always be filled with retarded underage b&

>>4548097
Wait, are you saying that you can't post ">tfwng" on stackexchange?

>>4548097
>humor
I think you misunderstand why those forums exist.

>>4548099
And there's nothing we can do about it.

>>4548097
The problem with this place is nobody knows what the fuck they are talking about

There's only like 8 people on here who are in a science field

>>4548100
I tried this but got banned

>>4548106
Oh shit, you really did it?
You're my hero.

>>4548097
Those forums are there for scientific, academic and intellectual enhancement only. Maybe 4chan has skewed your sense of forums, but not all have a sense of dry humor.

If you think stack exchange is bad, it's counterpart(for Grad students, professors and postdocs) is pretty stoic. They once tried to have a thread on humor, but it was immediately flagged and taken down. Those websites are strictly for those interested in academic pursuits and nothing more.

>>4548107
>>4548106
You. Are. Cancer.

Shit, why am I still here? They ban you for this bullshit on stackexchange? Later. I'll be back if I want to laugh at you.

I don't expect any science or math here anymore. The only reason I still come to /sci/ are EK threads.

>looks like he's wearing a mask
>probably fucked the girl in the background

>>4548076
This

4chan /sci/ is not a science board that happens to be on 4chan, it's a place for people from 4chan to discuss their bastardisation of science and mock each other for having aspergers.

>>4548116
>completely ignores topic
>doesn't even know /sci/ memes

Please can we get more mods

>>4548123
ok, seriously

what do people expect from /sci/? What is there to discuss, why aren't you starting these discussions yourself?

>>4548123
Won't change anything. /sci/ is not for academic exchange of scientific knowledge. The most important issue for moot and his mods is traffic. The userbase of /sci/ mainly consists of underageb& shitposters. Banning those would render the entire board economically useless.

>>4548126
Actual science? What does a mindfuck thread, peak oil, homework, and a psychology survey have to do with science and math?

>>4548132
He's not saying that /sci/ is good - he's saying that whining about it being bad is pointless, and asking for shitposters to be banned does no good if there are no good threads in the first place. Basically, either improve it or leave.

>>4548137
This guy knows what I'm saying. /sci/ was never good, if you think it was I think you're deluding yourself. You want /sci/ to be good? post good content.

>>4548128
How does that work, anyway? The only ads I ever see on here are for J-List. Does moot get mad cash from J-List? Are they really selling that many nyancat-themed vagina simulators to keep 4chan running?

>>4548128
> Banning those would render the entire board economically useless.

What you said may as well have been said in Greek, for /sci/tards are economic morons. They never understood economics and never will. All they want to do is play with tech like a kid does in a sandbox.

I come to /sci/ to raise my blood pressure at how fucking stupid /sci/heads really about about real life. That's all. I get off on pwng them all the time, largely about how economics makes 99% of their science dreams impossible. Daily I lick their salty tears.

>>4548132
More than 90% of the threads on /sci/ do not belong here and are started by underage kids or shitposters. It's easier to ban the few aspies who keep complaining than banning nearly the entire userbase.

>>4548146
I think moot's supposed to be making a massive loss on the site. There was an article on him in the washington post or something in which he said he was in about $25,000 of debt.

Of course that was before canv.as started, he might well be breaking even with that.

>>4548083
Why do you go to 4chan then, fucking tripfag?

>>4548126
In the beginning, /sci/ was pretty rad.

I used to have weekly quizzes with Calc I, II and III questions just for fun. Brain teasers for the ones who were really good. To include those who weren't in Calculus just yet, I'd put up algebra equations or Pre-calc based material they could answer. Other people in the thread started asking questions on group theory, analysis, etc. I doubt anyone remembers these threads(this was in the 1st and 2nd wks of /sci/), but I used a Yotsuba picture. We also had someone on /sci/ going over Logic; physics discussions were actually discussed with, you know, some actual MATH. We didn't have any IQ threads up or anything of the sort until later on. There was/is ChemGuy who is, quite possibly, the most knowledgeable chemist on /sci/. I literally do not know why he lurks here sometimes; he is too good to be on /sci/. I've yet to see him ever wrong on any subject dealing with Chemistry or Biochemistry. He's a monster.

EK came soon after. Afterward, a slew of people came in; some good, but most horrible. Some people correlate EK's arrival with the descent of /sci/, but she just came around the same time it started to descend. I was one of the few people who started 'hating' on EK, but I only did it for fun and it was meant to be a joke. In all fairness, though, EK would say a lot of dumb shit or recommend wrong solutions to problems which she had no experience in. She was good in certain HW threads and liked to chat up stuff, but she was inexperienced in many fields of mathematics, physics, probability, etc. Harriet, her counterpart, was/is much smarter.

People try starting decent threads, but they get railroaded by shitty posters or they're buried underneath the mess of other horrible posts.

>>4548154
Why I go to 4chan? Because it's fun.

If you mean why I'm on /sci/, it's because it's fun. Also,
>fucking tripfag
:( I feel you dislike me because I trip.

>>4548143
>>4548137
The textboard was good you faggots. We had number theory/geometry/group theory/set theory/etc on there. When the imageboard came it was horrible.

>>4548156
You should do that again. I think I tried something like it a while back and got barely any interest, but if we do this properly it might work.

Now I think about it, there was one point at which we tried to survey omegle to find out if people knew what would happen if you let go of a bowling ball on the moon. I set up a spreadsheet, we got around 50 responses, then that died as well.

To be completely honest I think EK/harriet/blackman/etc were our downfall. Not that there was all that far to fall from magnets, geusses and 300k starting

>>4548156
I never saw EK when I was coming here up to the point where I stopped going to /sci/, which was around when magnets started. I also never saw any good threads when /sci/ started. "only a theory (a gess)" started in like the first week.

>>4548156
>>4548167
No. Do not post any fucking high school shit. Fuck you if you do that. That will draw the underage here.

>>4548172
It will draw the underage *that enjoy working things out* here. /sci/ is not going to turn into /b/ because I asked how to integrate something, if anything we might actually get people interested in more than mars missions

I'm bemused by the fact you think we can ruin this board. It's pretty much a wasteland.

>>4548167
The shitposting tripfags, while being annoying, are only a minor factor in /sci/'s downfall. They come like once a day and derail one or two off-topic threads. No big deal. The real problem is the existence and the huge number of off-topic threads. Two years ago /sci/ was full of interesting discussions. The occasional religion troll or theory/geuss thread was amusing at best. Right now it seems like for the last few months we have been raided by career advice, homework and philosophy posters.

>>4548172
We should have daily algebra threads. By which I mean, some basic topic in group theory, ring theory, or linear algebra is discussed.

>>4548184
This. If we had MODS or MORE JANITORS to remove the shit content the board would improve.

For example /v/ has like 50 janitors or some shit. If you post one thing off topic (most of the shit is on topic though including dubs threads) it's deleted in ten seconds.

>>4548184
EK made 11,000 posts on !EKFNQ,,, before she ragequit, I think she messed things up just by being so active and disagreeable. There were a few days when every thread on the front page was about doxxing her and I really wouldn't consider that kind of thing minor.

Also is /sci/ really 2 years old? that sounds wrong.

>>4548172
There are people here who aren't under aged, but haven't been exposed to mathematics in a while. Every now and again, we get posts from people who are CC students or older adults who haven't been to Uni in quite some time. As such, their mathematical skills are lacking.

The original aim consisted of merely providing slight brain teasers to a variety of people from all backgrounds. The daily putnam thread, for example, excludes an enormous amount of individuals of /sci/ because not everyone can answer them. I love the Putnam threads and it was a good idea the mod(moot or someone else) decided to sticky a question everyday. It's just that not everyone can get involved. Also, the quiz threads I made contained questions from other higher-level math fields as I stated previously.

>>4548191
That's not so easy to make. How can we have a "discussion" on undergrad math stuff? No one would be willing to give an entire lecture. And then we have these arrogant or even malicious undergrads who know the (basic) stuff and would troll the shit out of a thread that they find too low level.

>>4548191
Yes, and interesting discussions on other science topics too. The "what are you researching" threads were always cool.

I know most people are against the homework threads, but they're more on topic than the philosophy threads to be honest. If the problem is sufficiently challenging its fun to solve and you learn tactics from others.

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>>4548200
Exactly. I actually enjoy when someone posts a math question thats actually worth helping out with.

>>4548191
This would be good. Not sure how everyone else feels about it but if there was some element of actual learning rather than just a google docs survey that might even stop some of the shitposting.

All in favour of making Rebirth nominal king of /sci/ say aye

>>4548192
/x/ has a good janitor. He instantly deletes threads that are too far off-topic. Sadly this doesn't make a significant difference in the board's quality. The problem is not the number of mods or janitors. We have enough of them and they have plenty of time. There are other reasons why certain kinds of rule violations are tolerated despite reports. As stated above it would be infeasible to keep up /sci/ for a bunch of like maximum 50 educated aspies and to ban thousands of underage users for this purpose.

I don't understand the point of these threads. They contribute nothing to the state of the board and just clog the front page with more shit.

>>4548201
This is the weirdest thing I've seen today.

>>4548203
>All in favour of making Rebirth nominal king of /sci/ say aye
No?

>>4548199
>implying you can troll Galois theory

>>4548191
I agree with this. There's a huge dilemma with this, though:
Not enough people are adept in these fields to partake in those threads. As you can tell from the past few months, more than half of the denizens of /sci/ aren't that experienced in those sub-fields of Math. This isn't a good or bad thing in particular, but that's the way it is.

Also, this is 4chan after all. If someone gets a blatantly wrong answer or someone provides a wrong proof, people are swift to disrespect them. Also, egotistical posters who feel that they are the absolute best and everyone else is subpar.

>>4548201
I want /a/ to leave.

>>4548201
>>>/jp/

>>4548212
It's nay, but ok.

Do we have mods? we need mods.

>>4548211
We gave the poor souls who want to actually discuss science and mathematics a way out.
>>4548083
>>4548084
It's your post that didn't contribute anything.

>>4548211
I don't understand the point of your tripcode. All you do is post how things aren't science related and never actually contribute. Maybe that's why everyone hates you.

>>4548212
No. Fuck no.

I vote against myself. Not only am I not even involved in /sci/ so much, but people hate tripfags for that very reason most of the time.

In other news: Whatever happened to the Rhizome project? I'm still on that on Google. The books that I want/need are rarely there, though. Weak.

Who REMEMBERS the Rhizome project?

>>4548193
EK alone isn't that much of a problem and never was. But she indirectly made other posters become shitposters as well. Many of the "bad" tripfags started as EK clones, an unstoppable avalanche. But still nothing compared to the derailment of /sci/ into a "school general" board.

IIRC /sci/ was created in the beginning of 2010 btw.

>>4548224
Josef is gone. It's gone.

Someone needs to get Josef back

>>4548215
Try it and make a thread on galois theory. If it only covers basics, it will get some serious replies and then get derailed. If it covers "higher" stuff, it will be ignored completely.

>>4548214
>Also, this is 4chan after all. If someone gets a blatantly wrong answer or someone provides a wrong proof, people are swift to disrespect them. Also, egotistical posters who feel that they are the absolute best and everyone else is subpar.

This isn't actually that hard to remedy. Like in /vg/ or old /v/ generals, recurring threads tend to develop their own community. If the threads are started and disrespectful people aren't tolerated, eventually trolls will ignore the thread for the most part and it will become better than the rest of /sci/. The best way I can think of to make it decent for a wider audience would be to post a couple different questions/discussion topics in the OP intended for people of different levels of understanding.

It's like I'm really on /b/

>>4548233
Just see what happened to the putnam threads. The first few of them were full of interested people. Many undergrads tried to work on them and asked questions. Even if they weren't able to solve any of them, it were some good discussions resulting in some people actually learning. But since the putnams have been stickied, they were frequented much less often and only an "elite" community of like two or three posters doesn't ignore them.

I'm a physicist, and I've never considered this board a math&science board though I do stick around on this board every now and then.

I don't think there are many /sci/ lurkers that go for /sci/ only, probably more people interested in other boards here that pay a visit every now and then.

Like someone said above me, if you really want to discuss physics or maths...you don't do it on 4chan. Try a real forum instead :D

More math [insert field here] generals.
More physics generals.
More research generals.
More challenge math problems.
More science questions.

Add a rule to ban philosophy.
Add a rule to ban political shit
Add a rule to ban obvious troll threads (sun made of ice, diamond the hardest metal, does time exist, black holes, etc)


Add more janitors


This will improve /sci/, and attract more contributors.

>>4548236
That's funny and sad at the same time. After spending way too much time on /sci/, I recently went on /b/ and was surprised how civilized, educated an on-topic some of the discussions there were compared to /sci/.

>>4548238
Putnam problems are too hard to not be ignored.

>>4548240
This, especially the part on banning philosophy and political shit.

>>4548246
>Putnam
>Hard

>>4548246
And actually, I think if they were IMO problems instead, maybe more people would try them. The problem with putnam problems is you might work on it for an hour, then discover that the solution requires some field of math you've never heard of. Sure, its like research, but its not something you want to do with your free time.

>>4548240
Neither are you making the rules, nor is anyone gonna listen to you. It is just infeasible to remove 90% of /sci/'s content. If you have a good thread start for a science or math thread, then go ahead. Wishful thinking of an "ideal" /sci/ only leads to disappointment.

>>4548242
For similar results set /sci/ to futaba and /b/ to youtsuba b
>>4548246
this. I'd love to do them, but most of the time I don't even know where to start. Completed AS level C1,C2,S1, D(lol)1, M1, and most of FP1 and they're well beyond me.

>>4548252
>Shitty content is inherent! We shouldn't try to fix it!

>>4548256
You are not in the position to fix it and the people who are in the position are not interested in fixing it. It's hard, but you must learn to deal with it. Go read a science book instead. Reduce your time on /sci/ to a minimum.

>>4548259
Considering the mods stickied the putnam and started banning more users I'm sure they would be.

Unless you're a mod/janitor without a capcode on

>>4548254
Any non-putnam problem on the other hand immediately gets labeled "homework". By disguising their low-level crap as "challenges" the homework spammers have ruined a lot of potential for good math threads.

>>4548262
I am not, but I have experienced several bans for calling out blatant shitposters in a civilized manner, while said shitposters stayed unbanned. Those who complain and who want an academic or at least a science and math related /sci/ are the minority.

>>4548265
You sure you didn't just get banned for telling people you reported them? Global rule 7

Well, I won't do it today but I will consider trying some threads on real math at some point. Maybe Monday if I can't this weekend.
I'll have to think about the format, and I won't be able to be the "leader" forever, but hopefully I can get something started.

>>4548273
Sounds good.

So how're we going to be doing this, is it a Q&A kind of thing or a quiz?

>>4548265
What were you banned for? It's best to just report the people instead of calling them out. It's taken as trolling.

EK/Blackman/Carl Sagan for example are all banned.

>>4548272
No. I respect the rules. I calmly tell people that their blog entries should better be posted somewhere else or ask them to post something science and math related. I do not flame, I do not spam and I do not announce reports. Yet I get banned for nothing more than wanting a bit more quality on /sci/.

I'm a math student, but I really don't know what sort of topic to start a reoccurring thread on. Any ideas?

>>4548274
I did in the past. I restricted reporting to the most obvious rule violations. Most of the reports stayed without effect and once even reporting hardcore porn (NSFW content) resulted in a ban for me for "submitting false reports".

>>4548274
As you can see, banning is not a solution. EK keeps evading bans and comes back again and again.

>>4548277
I have no idea what that would be.
>>4548281
You could do proofs, starting with the simples (why root 2 is irrational, etc) and move on from there. Or perhaps give (shudder) practical examples and ask for solutions from there onwards. I'd be interested in either of those.

>>4548289
Is there actually any evidence she's evaded bans other than that 3 day one where she used harriet's IP?

>>4548276
I think I'll start with a small explanation of a topic, a couple exercises of different levels, and if I can think of one a "discussion" type question. Linear algebra seems like it would be a good place to start, since it would be of interest to everyone including engineers.

>>4548290
Neither do I have an idea. Since the standard excuse for banning is "inane trolling garbage", one has no chance of knowing what he did wrong.

They're not, you just have an overly inflated ego

You know what's the problem with 4chan?

Boys that know nothing about life and want to get girls now found out about /fit/.
If only they stay there, there would be no problem, but they go to every other board.
These guys have no interest in life more than being "alpha" (except that even the ones that they admire are not).

The beauty of 4chan was the user's lack of ego, which made them interested in knowledge.

>>4548295
Allegedly they share the same IP. If one of them gets banned, they are both banned. And there's lots of evidence. You usually see her getting banned by observing that all of her posts get deleted. When a few minutes later she comes back, it seems highly doubtful that she appealed her ban and it was lifted.

>>4548297
Sounds good to me.

Google docs spreadsheets have an option for form input, if we wanted to make things better (ie not have everyone copying the first guy to answer) maybe we could give people a link and get them to fill in their responses.

>>4548309
oh, also: If you're going to do this I strongly recommend you upload the answer in some obfuscated form before hand so it's possible to show you aren't just using /sci/ to do your school work. Put the answer in a .zip with a password, upload it and link to it in OP, and you're golden.

If you want to help make /sci/ better, try emailing moot with intelligent well thought out emails, on the state of /sci/ and needing mods, repeatedly.
He actually does read most of his emails but he rarely replies. He may not respond or fix anything immediately but a fix in 6 months is better than no fix at all.