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bump for truth

this is the first time I've posted here, please don't fail me now you intellectuals.

>>4542241
is that an inside joke here?
If your not going to help, fuck off.

Your latent homosexuality will be apparent to any and all who read your book.
But dont be too alarmed, nobody is actually going to do that.

bump for answers. please?

>civil war
the free market will fix it

no one?

you fucks

>>4542249
What do you think?

We can't even figure out a better (in terms of cost-efficiency) energy production method than drilling oil and some guy claims we can reach type 1 civilization. How genuine do you think he's being?

I wish you'd be more clear in what exactly you're asking.

Is it feasible to contact a type 1 civilization? (Assuming you mean a type I civilization on the kardeshev scale)
Yes. There's a whole slew of potential communication methods.

However, the communication isn't going to be two-way unless it's been happening for a long time. Electromagnetic radiation still obeys the laws of physics, and nothing is going faster than the speed of light. If they're 20 light years away, it's going to take 40 years from the time we ask them a question to the time we get an answer.

>>4542249
I'm more concerned with the marines using the bats (or whatever those scanners are called) on the unarmed populace in iraq and filing every single militarily capable male

Yes, because bullshit explanation and string theory.

>>4542243
Fuck you, use your head. If humans knew any way in which it would be feasable, you'd either A already know about it or B never find out as whoever knew about it obviously didnt want to share the information on their methods and the science behind them for whatever reason.

>>4542256
No he is a human claiming to be type 1.

his posts had 1 grammatical error and nothing else I cold analyze from the words alone.

He is somewhat intelligent, but fuck he seemed genuine as fuck.

And as a frequent poster on /pol/ he knew how geunuine, passionate my posts are and he addressed me directly in a thread of 200+

granted I was the OP but still...
pic related

>>4542260
he claims to just have made the leap

and he mentioned how hard it was the hardest to go from type 0 to 1

he also alluded to other matters which again, events transpiring and such.

it was all very very weird and so beyond normal/ somewhat elaborate trolling

>>4542258
christ your everywhere

also, excuse my horrible typing skills im tired as fuck

>>4542264

Can you link to the thread or post some of the responses here?

>>4542261
>No he is a human claiming to be type 1.

A type 1 what?

>>4542270
(I added the numbering for reference, all else is simple copy, past from his posts)

1/4
Come listen, my friends.

This coming may will be the single most important may in human history, really. We're all in for a show that will end an era. The era of lying kings will come to a close and the end result will be glorious. If everything goes to plan.

Be ready this may. It will be abrupt, it will be sudden. It will dilute the poisoned wells the masses drink from, it will cut the artery of the beast. Be ready to pick a side, them, or us, and be ready to die for it.

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­"Huxley and Orwell were both right, and they were both wrong. Orwell was correct in envisioning the future path of the government, and Huxley was correct in envisioning the future path of society. The police state and the nanny state, respectively. What they did not envision was those two states working in unison to create a potent poison of pleasure and fear that ultimately destroys the populace. ...Orwell was correct in predicting endless wars, constant surveillance and propaganda, and Huxley was correct in predicting mindless materialism and the pursuit of self interests. They were both correct as stated before. Both prophets foretelling of a grisly future where the government ensures total control of the populace, while the populace ensures they keep themselves in check, allowing the government to thrive, virtually unchangeable.

What they did not predict is the third menace, the corporations. The corporate state, when added to the mix of the nanny state and the police state creates a unique, bleak and oppressive state where the general populace is blinded to the true colors of society! It creates a neo-feudalistic state.

We're all going to die."

>>4542277

2/8
Expect a wonderful message and a delightful surprise early in may. I can't say too much, but rome is going to fall.

>>4542261
AHAHAHA

How the fuck can you believe that an anonymous person posting on 4chan is a member of a type 1 civilisation?

>>4542278

3/8
Haha, not by foreign hands.

There is only one way to cause the people to arise, and that is to dilute the poisoned well they drink from daily with the truth, and to sever the artery that is hidden from view.

There will be blood. Be ready to die.

>>4542280

4/8
It ain't. Trust me. We're simply the match that lights the fire. You, the people will ultimately be in the reigns of this revolution. Choose wisely. It's going to be utter hell, but the end result will be beautiful.

>>4542283

5/8
I will not tell you when in may it will occur. But be ready to spring into action, wherever you are. I don't see that as a problem, seeing as I've viewed your posts for a long time here. You're quite the revolutionary fellow. We need more like you.

>>4542284

6/8
It depends on what you want it to be. We offer only the truth and the means, it is you who decides the outcome. But know this, my friends;

This year is the tipping point. This will be the final conflict between our lying rulers who have deceived us for centuries, and the populace of the world. It is your choice and your choice alone to pick who you will die for, or if you will simply bury your head in the sand. Heed my warning when I say to you an era is about to end, and only one party can live to see the new one.

They say the transitioning steps between Type 0 and I are the most difficult steps in a species history. I believe we have reached those steps.

>>4542285

7/8
I promise I am not trolling you. I will admit, I do troll from time to time but this is not something I would fuck around with.

Call it tinfoiley, it's not like we're pulling strings. I'll be blunt and tell you what we're doing.

We're going to broadcast a message using the MM, the poisoned well I was speaking of. Then, on the same day, we spill the black blood of the beast. I am sure you know what that means.

When people are forced to extremes they will react. We will show them the truth by hijacking what has blinded them, then we will give them that extreme.

I will probably die doing this, but I am okay knowing that. That is all I can say.

>>4542286

The first one is supposed to be 1/8 not 1/4

But he did not start off making such a claim. he started with a different message and only after much questioning by myself and others did he reveal everything else you've read.

What say you now, /sci/?

WHAT SAY YOU, /sci/?!

>>4542293
You can count to potato! Congratulations.

>>4542294

/sci/ is more useless than /b/, good to know.

This guy seems a bit crazy, but this sounds very interesting. Reminds me of fight club.

I'm sure I speak for at least some of us when I say that life is not too horrible right now. Sure, we're living in a shallow and materialistic society, but compared to the past it's a fucking utopia.

What are these revolutionaries going to do for us if they succeed? I may not have the freedom I'm lead to believe, but I'm healthy, happy and can expect another 60-70 years of life (not accounting for scientific progress).

>>4542295
What did /b/ tell you?

>>4542297

The revolution is going to happen, regardless.
Your apathy will not change that.
But that's not what this thread is for.
The question remains as to whether becoming a type I civilization is feasible within our lifetimes.

>>4542296

He could very well be crazy

>>4542287
>>4542287
He is not at all claiming to be from, have contact with, or otherwise have anything to do with a type I civilization on the kardeshev scale.

How the hell did you misconstrue what he said so badly?

He basically only said that shit goes down while we switch from type 0 to type I, but even that doesn't make much sense. It's not like there's magic involved or something. The kardeshev scale just roughly estimates how much energy a civilization puts to use. Type I uses about the same energy as our planet gets from the sun at any one moment.

Type II uses the entire energy of a sun, and type III uses the energy of an entire galaxy.

>>4542287
i say your ass is to define three terms right now:
"type 0 civilization"
"type 1 civilization"
and
"MM"

>>4542300

I guarantee I can get better responses than
>You can count to potato! Congratulations.

I'm not going there with this.

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>>4542286

Wow, its like im actually ON /x/!

>>4542304
There misinterpretations on both sides here

>>4542304

>i believe we have reached those steps

He is claiming to be transitioning us or have the means to make us a type 1 civilization.

How did I misconstrue anything??
You get the fucking point, regardless, do you realize how long Ive been up to get to just this point??

>>4542305

I believe MM is roughly equivalent to MSM or mainstream media

>>4542312
of COURSE we're theoretically striving for a type I civilization, but you know what, on the kardov scale there is no middle ground, the only way is up. To reach three one must reach II, to reach II one must meet I.
FOR SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>4542318
What?
can you elaborate

>>4542306
I would tell you to go there and read something, but they've removed it unfortunately. :(

>>4542316
useless

the majority of you are squandering any intellectual regard I had for this board before this thread.

so type I civilization is harnessing the entire PLANET? is this correct?
type II is harnessing the ENTIRE sun?

>>4542320
yes... christ im not even a /sci/fag

I, personally, thought you were talking about reaching Aliens at first. lol
/pol/ is always full of shit that sounds great but turns out to just be troll

>>4542312
Going by what you've posted of his words, that's not at all what he's said.

Not once does he go on about a new power source transitioning us from type 0 to type I civilizations. He's just talking typical /x/ related things about how everything is going to change soon.

Technically, we're already in the process of transitioning from type 0 to type I, but that's simply a result of normal technological process and population growth.

Are there ways to speed up the transition to a type I civilization? Yes! We could build more power planets.

But it doesn't MEAN anything. Being a type I civilization wouldn't magic away all the issues we have in the world. It's a rough classification of the development level of a civilization, and by rough, I mean it has nothing to do with socio-economic policies, or war or peace or anything like that.

It just says "You're probably a pretty advanced civilization if you can put this much energy to use, so we're going to arbitrarily label you a type I civilization"

>>4542321
calm down, what else do you have to say on the matter.
it's MUCH more complex than that because we are the ones to be facilitating the change.
ALSO, kardashian's scale is purely theoretical, he's never seen a civilization harness a sun

>>4542325
and to add, that extra energy probably won't become a surplus, people population [most likely] balloons every time a surplus is made available, thus devouring the surplus.

i was going to say something else but I forgot.

>>4542328

>Kardashian scale

oh yeah, what was that stuff about the "CORPORATE" spooooookyyyyy

go play paper mario in the section twilight town and then come back and talk about spooky.

>>4542334
that's my post, i should explain:
the kardashians are hot, as opposed to some theoretical social scientist who's probably disgusting as all hell.

>>4542325
>>4542328
thanks. and duly noted.
Also, oil will become obsolete under a type 1, that is his point.

the entire geopolitical system would change radically.

>>4542319
It was about stories, information, and artistic works, and what a certain kind of person would take them as.

>>4542320
>so type I civilization is harnessing the entire PLANET? is this correct?
Not 'harvesting' the planet. This implies using all resources, material, etc. A type I civilization is simply one that would use roughly the energy the earth receives from the sun. Or... to try and explain it another way, the sun is giving off a lot of energy, and a small fraction of this energy hits the earth. If energy production/use is approximately equivalent to the amount of energy hitting the Earth, given off by the sun, then you have a type I civilization.

>type II is harnessing the ENTIRE sun?
The equivalent in energy to the sun's total output. A dyson sphere would be a prime example of what a type II civilization is capable of, as it captures most/all of the energy coming from the star. That doesn't mean you NEED a dyson sphere. You could just as well have a billion earth-equivalent planets in a galaxy-spanning civilization and call that a type II civilization as well. What matters is the total energy production/use.

My apologies, I seem to be explaining these concepts very poorly.

>>4542336

>Kardashev
>Not aesthetic as fuck

Pick one