/sci/ - Science & Math

>Shipping tonnes of building material into Antarctica
>No one will ever notice

> without government intervention?
No, that shit could not even possibly be hidden.

Why hasn't a billionaire tried this yet?

Realistically, no. In theory, yes. But he'd have to go to ridiculous lengths, almost bankrupt himself, and be some kind of Alexanderesque super genius.

And with the few weapons he might be able to produce, he probably won't get much done before the world kicks his ass.

>>4521413

>In theory, yes

Depends how far we stretch "in theory", right? In theory he could do it in the middle of the outback under the guise of a legitimate mining firm. In fact, I'd say his odds would be much, much higher.

>Why are you bringing hundreds of tonnes of cement into the outback?
Oh, uh, I'm building a mine shaft. Not a nuclear silo at all.
>Why are you brining hundreds of tonnes of cement into Antarctica?
...Giant igloo?

Yes there are oasis in Antarctica that can make habitation "less" difficult. There is plenty of water.

I believe a mere billionaire could use technology to a force of 50 years ago with small scale modern overcoming funding.

Your labor force would be via Africa and the current "world war" that is slowing down will prove plenty of it.

The South East atlantic is a "ghost town."

Here is a 1962 symposium regarding logistics
http://books.google.com/books?id=JEkrAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA281&lpg=PA281&dq=antarctic+concrete&a
mp;source=bl&ots=pPJ_UkH8ir&sig=lgqg9tAxxlgPdFFY6awPpLYu3uE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NSN1T_
mEBqi80QGhoM3JDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=antarctic%20concrete&f=false

He better be a capital B billionaire but yes this is completely feasible.

>>4521461
Mah nigga. I just got another idea from this: some lax African country could be used as a proxy for transporting building materials.

>>4521379
Why would a corporation spend its own money on such an operation when they could just have a government do it for them using tax payers' money?

>>4521379

A better question might be: why would he choose to do this?

Hold the world at ransom? What fucking for? He's a billionaire.

The chances that an ideological zealot develops the extreme wealth to pull this off is virtually nil, especially considering that ideological zealots probably don't have the stability to amass such wealth in the first place.

Sorry OP but GI Joe was a fiction movie, not a documentary.

>>4521486
Yeah, I'm not seeing any clear motive for this project.

>>4521479

Because a lax African country is what comes to my mind when I think of people who can keep a secret.

>>4521493
who are they going to tell?

plus countries like those people mind their own business.

Better question, could humans survive on Antarctica indefinitely without any support?

If every other continent turned into a radioactive wasteland filled with zombies, mutant marmosets, and bees could humans survive by colonizing Antarctica?

>>4521511
HAHAHAH ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?

LOL OH WOW

>>4521486
>>4521489
I think the only way to create a new country from scratch is by having some immediate military foothold (ie. nuclear weapons). Why would anyone want to create a new country? Well, imagine the limitless scientific possibilities when you have no government laws to restrict your experiments. How would a new country in Antarctica work? Underground artificial ecological system powered by thermal energy and nuclear power.

>>4521515
Just following the leaders in covert projects

maybe they are wrong but your not seeing front page news about the scores they are doing, right?

With all the mayhem there discretion would be easy.

>>4521513

With a head start, sure.

All you need is a few nuclear powerplants and enclosed farming facilities.

>>4521525

Have we considered wind and solar rather than nuclear?

logistics versus scale

plus this is current technology with decades of testing including solar stills.

>>4521525
You can't possibly jump straight to nukes. You're just begging for an airstrike, and no, you can't stop it or see it coming in time to do anything about it.

>>4521541
stirling engines too

>>4521530
I said INDEFINITELY. Relying on nuclear reactors would put a fast coming finite limit on how long such a colony would last.

I'm talking about the long haul, as in hunting and gathering if necessary.

>>4521541

It's night for half the year.

>>4521549

There is a "finite limit" on any colony because the sun won't last for ever.

You can mine uranium on location, and if there isn't any in the soil you can get it from the sea. There's more than enough.

>>4521561
wind
tides

>>4521561
>There is a "finite limit" on any colony because the sun won't last for ever.
Now you are just being difficult.

>>4521545
An airstrike could be avoided if we smuggle several nuclear weapons across the world and threaten detonation in any major city unless the UN recognizes our sovereignty and signs a peace treaty.

>>4521570
How old are you? Be honest.

>>4521567

Tidal power only really works in rivers. Not many of those in Antarctica.

Wind is fine when it's windy (but not too windy). What do you do the rest of the time?

There's no hydro, so your only bet for stable, offpeak power is either nuclear or fossil.

OP NEEDS TO STOP WRITING BIOSHOCK FANFICTION.

Coal and natural gas are plentiful.
Wind, tides, and solar.
98% of the continent is cover by at least 1 mile of ice and snow so mining might be difficult. Not clear on the movement of the "Ice layer" so mining may be limit to the shores.

Anyone know the location of Uranium deposits?

Is it possible to conquer the world like this? I want to unite the world under a monarchy which my progeny will rule after me. There are many factors I am leaving out but if I could build a device that could wipe a continent off the face of the earth remotely, while being in a hidden location, then surely I could control the world?

>>4521580
>Tidal power only really works in rivers

>>4521589
It's conveniently close to the shore.

>>4521593
No. You couldn't rule the world by having a nuke any more than North Korea can. Holy shit, how fucking underaged is this thread.

>>4521595

And how would you build a tidal power station? Float a generator off shore? What's to stop the water from going around the generator, rather than through it?

>>4521593
You realize that they would fully mobilize every single military, police, and paramilitary force on the planet to find you if you did that, right?

>>4521597
You didn't say it was the part claimed by the Australians!

Yeah, forget it this can't work.

SURE IS NEW VEGAS IN HERE.

>>4521603
Pic related.

>>4521607
Not to mention that any piece of paper they sign while under duress won't be worth the shit you could wipe with it. As soon as they find all the nukes, you're done.

Also
>UN
LOL

>>4521616

In other words you think tidal electricity is magically generated by pixies and not the same laws of physics as everything else.

http://www.antarctica.gov.au/?casid=7041

we need to read this link to get a solid plan.

I think we can come up with something actionable ITT.

Smuggle in the supplies return with natural resource .... PROFIT.

I also suggest Yellow Submarines.

>>4521624
No, I just think you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. At least read something about designs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_power#Tidal_stream_generator

>>4521630
You're underaged and stupid. Nothing will come of your bullshit plan for a seekrit fort in Antarctica.

>>4521628

>As with wind power, selection of location is critical for the tidal turbine. Tidal stream systems need to be located in areas with fast currents where natural flows are concentrated between obstructions, for example at the entrances to bays and rivers, around rocky points, headlands, or between islands or other land masses.
>Tidal stream systems need to be located in areas with fast currents where natural flows are concentrated between obstructions, for example at the entrances to bays and rivers,
>entrances to bays and rivers
>rivers

>>4521633
>everyone that suggests an impractical idea is underage

ok

>>4521641
This kind of fantasy is typical of a certain age, and that age is not 18+.

>>4521589
>Coal and natural gas are plentiful.
Sauce?

Also, I'm picturing a big hollowed out hemisphere at the bottom of an ice sheet, above a coal quarry. Running down from the center of the dome is a giant freight elevator.

>>4521633
Whatever, I am already spending my Antarctic Fort stock options. Suck my dick poorfag bitch.

>I am Rich Bitch

>>4521638
>where natural flows are concentrated between obstructions
That is the only requirement - moving water due to tides, better if focused by geological bottlenecks. Deal with it.

>>4521638
What in the hell are you quoting?

>>4521645
I couldn't remember and I have history disabled but I did check Wikipedia quickly:
"The main mineral resource known on the continent is coal."

^ a b Trewby, Mary, ed. (September 2002). Antarctica: An Encyclopedia from Abbott Ice Shelf to Zooplankton. Firefly Books. ISBN 1-55297-590-8.

>>4521659
>>4521638
>>4521628
And if you don't mind something less tested,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_tidal_power

>>4521660

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_stream_generator#Potential_sites

Reading: difficult.

>>4521665

I do mind something less tested. If I'm going to move to Antarctica, you're damn right I will only use technology I'm completely confident in. A power failure there would be a lot more critical than in a temperate climate. So why would I turn down tried and true nuclear power in favour of an untested tidal scheme in an area of the world with relatively weak tidal forces?

>>4521681
>Reading: difficult.
I can respect a man who admits to not being able to read well. What's you first language?

>>4521707

Oh, I come from a far and distant land you never heard of. Our country is full of many wonders. We have giant ants that dig up gold. Men 12 feet high that tend sheep in the highlands. And tidal stream generators, which we place off shore, far from any river estuaries or lagoons, which nevertheless magically manage to generate ample electricity.

I'd link you to a Wikipedia entry, but it doesn't seem like you're capable of reading those.