/sci/ - Science & Math

billboards arnt less than 0.0000001 arcseconds big though

aliens are put on the universe to misinform you from the truth that all of this is a simulated reality

>We're supposed to be a young species
Citation needed.

we may in fact be a young species

but it was known to our ancestors that the great ancient civilizations of space died out billions of years ago

for even those that could harness the power of the stars cannot live forever

>>4511816
You dissapoint me Mr. Anderson

>>4511939
What "ancient space civilizations" are you talking about?

The fact that we haven't detected any life may point to the conclusion that there isn't any but it is very weak evidence. The fact that no life has contacted us is even weaker (they would have to first detect us and then contact us, and we haven't been broadcasting for very long).

The strongest evidence either for or against life happens to be on the side of life, of course I'm referring to the vastness of space and time. Even though it's based on statistics, you have to believe that life on Earth was a miracle for it to not be the strongest argument.

This is the state of what we know right now...IMO there's no sense in getting your panties in a bind about it yet.

>implying we're not the most advanced civilization in the universe
>implying all the science fiction movies starring aliens won't backfire, turning our own selves into the things we feared, loved and imagined

If I was an almost omnipotent alien I would have come to Earth a few million years ago because I would have noticed an oxygen atmosphere and traces of gases that would show me that there was life on Earth.

Once I had reached Earth I would search for intelligent lifeforms.

Since there wasn't any signs of intelligent life around I would depart again but before leaving I would draw a huge sign on the Moon depicting something recognisable by intelligent lifeforms to show them that someone visited a long time ago when they were not yet around.

THERE ARE NO SIGNS ON THE MOON. THE EASIEST SIGN WOULD HAVE BEEN A GEOMETRIC FIGURE THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY HAVE ANY OTHER ORIGIN THAN ARTIFICIAL.

WE ARE ALONE. WE ARE THE PROGENITOR OF ALL ALIENLIFE IN THIS GALAXY. IT'S OUR FUCKING DUTY TO GO OUT THERE AND FILL THE GALAXY WITH BLUE AND GREEN DOTS OF LIFE THAT WILL EVOLVE INTO A GALACTIC CIVILIZATION.

>>4511984
We are the Forerunners, the Protheans, the Ancients and the Space Jockeys.

It's our duty to fill the Universe with myteries and riddles.

>>4511984
>has never seen the face or pyramids on Mars

keep being a fucking sheep

>>4511977
>you have to believe that life on Earth was a miracle for it to not be the strongest argument.
Why?

>>4512026
Because even if abiogenesis is vanishingly rare, life arising on another planet would still be statistically probable (very very very probable).

>You would think advanced civilizations would be doing that ages ago and have come here.

No, I would think they'd send von Neumann probes to investigate and send back information. They would do this without interfering with the development of life on the planet, and if such life were ever to notice the probes they wouldn't be able to comprehend their nature, and dismiss them with either supernatural explanations or natural ones such as swamp gas or other misidentification of natural phenomenon.

The UFO's people see, or at least a slim minority of them, are probably such probes. Not space ships carrying living inhabitants, but robotic probes using technology so advanced that we couldn't comprehend it, guided by an AI more intelligent than everything that was ever on this planet put together.

>>4511984
>THE EASIEST SIGN WOULD HAVE BEEN A GEOMETRIC FIGURE THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY HAVE ANY OTHER ORIGIN THAN ARTIFICIAL.

Would a hexagon in Saturns atmosphere suffice?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn#North_pole_hexagonal_cloud_pattern

>>4511984
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHRVBS_QsEg

>>4512034
>Because even if abiogenesis is vanishingly rare, life arising on another planet would still be statistically probable (very very very probable).

You need evidence for such a claim and a sample size of exactely 1 is extremely meaningless.

>>4512055
No source exists on the chance of abiogenesis occurring

I made no claim about how rare abiogenesis is, I only illustrated a worst-case-scenario

Abiogenesis would have to be a hair short of a miracle for it to be rare enough to have only happened once in the universe

>>4512024
>Unaware of the process of mechanical and chemical weathering.
>Thinking a stone-like construct would last more than a million years after it's origin.

>>4512046
Not the guy you're replying to, but natural causes for that pattern haven't been ruled out. It's mindblowing, but far from conclusive evidence that our solar system was visited.

>>4512068
It's still not a miracle and life in itself is meaningful enough.

Being alone makes it even more neccessary to reach out and colonize because if at one point some great cataclysm hits Earth and destroys everything there would be nothing to carry on or remember mankind.

I don't need fucking deities to understand the importance of life in itself and the neccessity to spread it to ensure survival of life.

Being all alone makes it just so much more important to leave Earth and colonize. Forget asteroids, pollution, war... whatever. If there was anything to happen to Earth then that would be it.

We are the only kind of matter that can willingly act "against" entropy. There is nothing else.

Lets assume it takes 4billion years to develop life.

Most gen 1 and gen 2 stars burn out earlier than that. We are most likely close to being the oldest species around.

>>4511806


I didn't bother reading the thread but in case this hasn't been mentioned yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RExQFZzHXQ

Dawkins and Tyson give a nice idea of a possible explanation for why (if there are such highly advanced civiliaztions out there) they have not made contact (if they found us at all),


>tldr - maybe super-advanced aliens are so much more advanced that taking the time out of their day (w.e their cycle is) to communicate with us would be like you taking a minute to try and communicate with a dog.

>>4512085
I agree that it's important for us to colonize other planets, if not for the survival aspect then just for the spirit of exploration, which I think is also important.

I don't see how extraterrestrial life figures in to the need to perpetuate as a species, I think that is obviously important regardless of whether extraterrestrial life exists or not.

In my opinion, the biggest positive impact that extraterrestrial life could have on us is in the case that we find that it, specifically intelligent life, exists. If we were to find that we aren't alone in the universe then that could help us to grow out of our self-centered view of our place in the universe; suddenly it doesn't only matter how we view ourselves, but how think other civilizations will view us...I think that could lead to a huge leap in maturity for our civilization.

I think it's obvious that, from a historical perspective, if and when we discover an extraterrestrial civilization will forever be historically viewed as a critical turning point; when human civilization began to grow out of its adolescence and in to a more grounded, thoughtful society that also looks outward rather than always inward. I think it may even turn out that human civilization will make no significant headway in to exploring the cosmos until we discover that other intelligent civilizations are out there, regardless of technological achievements or physical limitations. Without the realization that other civilizations are out there, I think our constantly inward-looking civilization will be unlikely to muster the necessary collaboration to explore the final frontier.

>>4512323
>maybe super-advanced aliens are so much more advanced that taking the time out of their day (w.e their cycle is) to communicate with us would be like you taking a minute to try and communicate with a dog.

Only problem is that this is a complete bullshit argument.

Super awesome omnipotent mega hyper aliens would have to start out at the same level as humans and chances are fairly high that Earth was already carrying life when any random alien civilization took their first steps into interstellar space.

Even if they are superawesome demigods by now they once were not and back then they should have visited Earth and left some sort of sign to show that they made a stop here.

Something obvious for the future children to find to show them that they are not alone.

Either the Elders are complete assholes or they don't exist which I find most likely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEB-ew5UwNU

>>4512354
>Without the realization that other civilizations are out there, I think our constantly inward-looking civilization will be unlikely to muster the necessary collaboration to explore the final frontier.

Constantly repeating that nonsense since the 70s just won't make it anyhow true or make you somehow appear smarter.

You just sound like one of these oneworld/worlddomination cultists.

>>4512445
>You just sound like one of these oneworld/worlddomination cultists.
Which is actually the "inward-looking" ideology that holds us back.

>>4511813
You don't need to resolve a planet to detect artificial light.

>>4512463
>You just sound like one of these oneworld/worlddomination cultists

Holy sensationalism, Batman. Disagreeing with me is one thing, but calling me a cultist? Eh? How does my post have anything to do with world domination or cults? I have no idea what you're talking about.

The thought that discovering another intelligent civilization will improve our awareness of ourselves isn't an unreasonable conclusion. Countless respected physicists have asserted the same thing, including Carl Sagan, Neil Tyson and Lawrence Krauss. If you're suggesting that they are all, uhhh..."oneworld/worlddomination cultists", whatever that is, then you are on the fringe and not the other way around.

I only took the suggestion a step further in a cynical direction...that doesn't make me a cultist, either.

I like how everyone thinks aliens have to be more advance. Considering the time it took for us to evolve, who is to say that there aren't other planets with aliens of similar or lesser stages of development. Or those which are barely ahead of us.

Also the fact that it took us a while to leave the whole God created us thing, isn't it possible that they might have a similar thought and yet still stuck in that mind set.

And who is to say they didn't come. And then left because they didn't see us as much.

>>4512354
why would reproduction be important.

to YOU? no.
to YOUR INSTINCT, buts lets face it. Who says that instinct is important issent really looking into the galaxy.

and why would an alian have instinct as well? maybe there is 1 or 2 every couple of time-moments, and that is what is creating the fucking galaxy.


(for some more sense)
http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html

Maybe the light speed barrier can't be broken, doesn't matter how advanced your civilization is. Life is certainty out there.

>>4512546
who says the speed of light, or energetic waves for that matter is the same to everything in the galaxy.
and surely there are other life-forms, thats the rule if you have infinite galaxys (or at least dimensions) there will be another energetic lifeform somewhere

but lets be real, how big is the chance of aliens here at this time in the same galaxy and dimension.
(lol except for on the moon thats why nasa never went back lolol)

>>4512421


>Implying he would know how hyper-intelligent alien species would act

looool

>>4512519
>Countless respected physicists have asserted the same thing, including Carl Sagan, Neil Tyson and Lawrence Krauss. If you're suggesting that they are all, uhhh..."oneworld/worlddomination cultists", whatever that is, then you are on the fringe and not the other way around.

I don't need religion, no book to follow, no leader and really no big guys to hide behind and to copy their trivial pr opinions.

You still look like one of these oneworld/worlddomination cultists. Mankind doesn't have to be unified. We don't need someone to rule us all to go into space.

>>4512562
>>4512546
Or maybe you can give a shit about the speed of light being the ultimate speed limit when you are so advanced that you can stretch your life expectancy indefinitely?

That's somehow the obvious conclusion to that dilemma. The future of conquering the Galaxy lies in our medicine and how far we can extend our lifes. A trip to the other side of the galaxy becomes possible when you and your loved ones can live as long as you want.

Tjerr could be thousands of planets populated by amish and we wpuld never know

>>4511816
>>4511816
>>4511816
>>4511816
>>4511816

stop getting sucked into this shitstorm
everything you see is there to make you believe that THIS is the only reality that exists

>>4512611
>You still look like one of these oneworld/worlddomination cultists. Mankind doesn't have to be unified. We don't need someone to rule us all to go into space.

Sorry man, I had no intention of taking my arguments to such extremes as you are suggesting. You are jumping to wild conclusions and projecting your irrational fears on to my reasonable suggestions.

>I don't need religion, no book to follow, no leader and really no big guys to hide behind and to copy their trivial pr opinions.

So you think independently. That's great, but I made no reference to religion or blind faith. You should keep in mind that I'm only making an argument with logical connections in a hypothetical scenario...it's a conclusion that any reasonable person could come to, which is why I came to the conclusion and which is why I pointed out that others had also.

>We don't need someone to rule us all to go into space.

I agree.

>Mankind doesn't have to be unified.

Probably true also. But, wouldn't you agree that cooperation is useful when approaching a problem that requires huge amounts of resources? The ISS, for example, is just a fart in the wind compared to how much resources would be needed for an interplanetary space ship, and many nations were involved in its construction.

>>4512696
>The ISS, for example, is just a fart in the wind compared to how much resources would be needed for an interplanetary space ship, and many nations were involved in its construction.
The ISS is just one big "Hey we are one big unified group come follow us" symbol.

Like most of NASA and other western spaceprogramms it's just made for TV cameras.

Every single member has made their own modules and every single nation contributing does have the capabilities to do the whole thing alone. The ISS is a political project not scientific project. It's a oneworlder propaganda show.

bitch ever heard of pale blue dot? Hear of pale blue dot next time.

i think it would be more more exciting if we happened to be all alone with not even a single microorganism in the whole universe

absolutely amazing

guys, if demigod aliens did visit us and knew of the terror of religion, they would know that geometry on the moon would be construed as gods, and they also knew that the dark side of the moon would never been seen until space travel

so the demigods would put the geometry and directions to contact them on the dark side of the moon, the government found this and photoshopped it out of the pictures to hide it from the people and keep alien technology for themselves

>>4513222
implying the government could hide secrets like that

>>4513329
>Implying independent groups could send imaging equipment to view the dark side of the moon.

We already have evidence for extraterrestrial life!

NASA brought it back from the Moon and they gave some of it to the Dutch national museum.

We have evidence that aeons ago trees were growing on the Moon and now the Reptilians try to cover it up by pretending it wasn't a rock from the Moon which makes it look like the whole Apollo programm was just a cold war scam.

>Fake Dutch 'moon rock' revealed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8226075.stm

Those evil Reptilians!

>>4513433
have they?

>>4513142
I would actually prefer this. If we are the only ones then we have nothing to fear. We can fuck around with the universe as we please. There won't be a space version of the UN to try to stop us from going all out.

>>4513456
WOW! Just wow!

I didn't know that! That's just awesome. This means ancient gardeners visited the Moon and planted trees. The whole Universe must be filled with life!

Now we have to unify mankind under one american government under God so the ancient aliens see that we are civilized and work on our utopia so they come back and teach us how to build pyramids!

If only those evil Reptilians wouldn't sabotage world peace all the time we could already explore the galaxy on the enterprise!

N = R* • fp • ne • fl • fi • fc • L

Hope this helps.

OP you're a fucking idiot.

Just because there are no species visiting us from our local cluster of stars (our signals usually only go out around 40 light years) doesn't mean that there's absolutely no intelligent life in the entire universe. Way to fail at logic.

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