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Any studies?
On sadomasochism and related behaviors?
Maybe a few hundred every year for the last couple hundred years -- yes, I'd think you might find a study about it.

But, since it's entirely psychological, it really isn't about sociocultural norms. That's just the starting point; you start from the norms, then analyse how the subjects move away from those norms.
Do you see how aberrant behavior isn't described by norms?

What causes me to be a switch dom/sub.
Also I like to be sit on, yet detest fat women, only very light girls for me...

>>4481478

There are sociological studies suggesting it relating it to punishment.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some relation to our primitive evolutionary psychological appetite for violence and a need to punish.

Hm, I think BDSM is mostly popular among particular types of men and women. It's not a general phenomenon for people to be aroused to hurting someone or having them put in a tied position.

There was a study done in the 80s I think in which they showed those who were high on trait psychoticism were more likely to be aroused by stories/depictions of rape.

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/malamuth/pdf/84pid5_2.pdf

>evolutionary thing
Seriously, if you think about human diversity of traits, you see how poor is the evo-speak in explaining it. The human species is home to some of the most insane possible behaviours in the animal realm.
If you want to understand humanity, it's better to start with its outliers.

>If you want to understand humanity, it's better to start with its outliers.

Not sure if i would agree with that. The outliers may not be from an evolutionary cause. The more alike people are, the more likely they share genetics.

>>4481589
I meant those who are difficult to "normalise". The reason why I said that was because being outlier in a species which invests a lot of energy in homogenising behaviours betrays some truths that this species is trying to suppress or repress.

So you will find more about the evolutionary history of this species by studying those who are difficult to normalise. The fact that BDSM individuals are attracted to rape shows that empathy is the product o socialisation and repression of aggression and that deep down, repressed, there still is the old way sexuality used to work...

>>4481602
>>4481602
>The fact that BDSM individuals are attracted to rape shows that empathy is the product o socialisation and repression of aggression and that deep down, repressed, there still is the old way sexuality used to work...

They're not attracted to rape, man. It's all about control control control. BDSM people are the most boring carebear snuggywug consent freaks you will ever meet.

Human beings need to reproduce under any circumstances. If people only wanted to have sex if they were respected and kind, the human race would have died out under extreme circumstances. It's necessary for our survival to continue to reproduce under harsh or even abusive circumstances.

>>4481564

Most women have rape fantasies at least monthly. Check out a "romance" novel for some samples.

Men commonly have the converse fantasies eg "nono no no yes yes yes!" is very common among men.

Why? We are all descended from rapists and rape "victims".

>>4481639
Women fantasise about rape, but they do it with particular types of men, not with any. So, they're not attracted per se to the experience of rape, they have submissive fantasies with the guys they are attracted to, that's all.

>>4481636
I agree. But that's a consequence of what I was trying to explain, but maybe what I said was unclear. The fact that they are very careful, even shy types, shows that they can only re-enact their fantasy in very controlled environments. That's because of social stigma of aggression in general and sexual aggression in particular. They just want to be very careful and sure that they will get their reward once they get consent.

The only way for them to make their sexuality work (because of their shyness) is to override the mental barriers built by socialisation (empathy) and enact their rape/bondage fantasies in very controlled environments.

I just go with whatever feels good and don't worry about the evolutionary processes. I have no clue why liking skinny girls with soft skin and big tits makes me and my offspring any more likely to survive. Maybe it's an evolutionary glitch. I do know that there are cases when traits that attract a mate hurt an animals chances of surviving in the wild. Like a bird with bright colors can attract a mate's attention, but he will attract the attention of predators as well.

>>4481478
It's not a fetisch. A fetisch is a sexual focus on certain objects. What you are referring to is a "fantasy".

A fetisch could be for instance striped socks, high heels or leather clothing. Specific situations and behaviour however is a fantasy.

>>4481734
>fetisch

HEIL HITLER!

Lol
A fetichshsskqxssh is an object of idea that is given special status. It's usually used in a sexual content, like when somebody really likes redheads even though it has absolutely nothing to do with sex.

>evolutionary psychology

OP please crack a textbook before ya post.

>>4481758

>doesn't know what evolutionary psychology is
>attempts to correct someone

2/10

>>4481589
You seem to be talking about trying to understand evolution.
Understanding that would get you nowhere to understanding human behavior.
Nevertheless, human behavior is best understood from the norms; if you study the outliers, you only get the range of behavior, and may never understand the general motivations of people.

The outliers don't have to say much about the norm.

>>4481747
Redheads tend to have less pigmented skin making their blush more obvious making it more obvious when they are impregnable.

>>4481639
>Why? We are all descended from rapists and rape "victims".
That's ridiculous; you're claiming individual psychology is genetic.

You've left no room for parenting, individual experience, social norms, culture or learning to affect how a person behaves.

>>4481478

You answered it yourself.

Women are naturally submissive, men naturally dominating.

The reverse of those roles is what provides the perversion necessary to arouse people interested in that.

>>4481747
a fetish is also typically REQUIRED to get the person off;
it is not merely preference.

Very very few people have fetishes.

>>4481902
No accounting for either that we could all be descended from rapists, but the rapers could still be quite rare in any particular population over time. It may well be that there is a stable equilibrium point for rapers in the population, just like sociopaths.

>>4481907
>No accounting for either that we could all be descended from rapists, but the rapers could still be quite rare in any particular population over time. It may well be that there is a stable equilibrium point for rapers in the population, just like sociopaths.

My point is that you are trying to describe rape as an instinct, something in our genetic code, when we know those behaviors are very strongly guided by many social factors.

Let me put it this way: the actual operation of sex is biologically rooted (hah!). But the times and methods we choose to perform them are entirely about deliberate behavior.

>>4481913
This is a different anon. This is my second post in this thread.