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I made ~$300k last year.
really.
not joking.
it's not that difficult.
you just have to own a business, forget everything you've been taught about making money, and give up unproductive hobbies such as science.

If you think 55k a year is a good job i have bad news for you.
55k a year is only twice the benefit boundaries.
>Implying you're American.
>Saying if you had that money in England

>>4404925

whats your business? how did you get started?

im thinking of getting into real estate, my friend made 200k last year

>>4404937

if your single and frugal i think 55k is quite a lot of money

what is there to buy in this world lol...other than wasting money on frivolous toys there isn't much you need it for after your necessities and entertainment are paid for

it may be obscene to you perhaps

>>4404941
my business is industrial janitorial services and environmental contracting for mining.

I got started by bidding on a contract and winning.

My business easily grosses millions a year, my salary is much smaller. I do less work and make more money than almost any employee you can think of. I mention it only because people often falsely assume that investing is the key to wealth. That is one of those things you need to forget if you want to make money.

>>4404966

>I got started by bidding on a contract and winning.


elaborate, i dunno what this entails.
what were the startup costs and what qualifications did u have...

>investing not good for wealth
so what is the key to wealth?

>>4404987
I went to a client I wanted to work for and asked their purchasing agent to place my name and number on their list of vendors to contact when they needed bids for the provision of janitorial staff and services.

they sent me a request for quote when it came time to put their janitorial contract out to bid. I bid on it, at aproximately 15% less than the previous bidder won the contract for, and won the contract for the year. I then did the work with the help of a couple employees while also looking for more work to take on.

my qualifications at the time included liability insurance, a business license, OSHA HAZWOPER certification, military veteran, and a clean criminal background check.

initial investment was ~$800 for the insurance, which I paid for with a loan against the contract after I got it.

>what is the key to wealth?
owning a successful business. Investing is done in the name of a business, and in a way is business, but it's not your business. it's the game of buying into other people's business. You'll make (and lose) far more money with a business that's all yours.

I will save up my money from being an instructor/professor to get a type 07 FFL and buy a select-fire M14.

I'll be happy with $60,000 per year.

>>4405014


so you're a janitor and you make 300k a year?
or you own a janitor company and you make 300k a year?

i find either situations hard to believe

>>4404925
>300K
>2012

You're fail. Unless if you make at least $10 million a year, you're poor.

>>4405129
I own a janitorial company.

It really doesn't matter to me what you believe.
in fact lack of belief is exactly what allows me to make more than you. If anyone believed their contract janitor was making $125/hour+ on average they'd all want to do it and then the wage would drop considerably.

>>4405151
not true, some people just aren't willing to do some jobs.

look at trucking. you basically sit in a la-z-boy for a few hours a day but people make up some bullshit excuses why they wouldn't be able to do the job. some of the shittiest trucking jobs make about as much as a cubicle job, and if you get your own tractor the potential is much better.

>>4405160
true enough.
my banker knows how much I make and how much I pay, but he's never asked me for a janitor job.

however I have relatively little competition in my field, and regularly bid on multimillion dollar projects that would surely be out of my reach if everyone was aware of the potential and compensation.

mostly it's a well kept secret.

>Enough to get me a decent 2 bedroom apartment or condo in a nice area of an urban center.
>A gigabit internet connection
>A towncar
>The ability to eat out a few times a week without seriously impacting my finances
>Ability to travel out of country every 2 years or so.

Maybe 100k-150k?

Any more than that is pretty overkill for one person.

>>4405180

are you sure it wasn't a lot of luck?

i know some janitors and they make $18 an hour...

>If you got a job in a lab making 55k a year. What would you spend it on? How would it change your life?
-pay off college debt
-set aside a rainy day fund
-set aside money for investments
-save up for ticket into (sub)orbital space
-travel

It's not much money, but w/e.

>>4405189
if they're paid by the hour they're employees. I have employees. I pay them $20 an hour because I charge their time out at about $125-$250 depending on the work.

I'm talking contractors. We get paid by the job. I may say for example that I'll clean your office for $50/per day, never mentioning that I can clean it in 15 minutes and move on to the next job.

contractors make far more than employees.
some of us bid on far more work than we can do, and then hire others to do the work.

we can make millions pretty easily.

>>4405199
What if someone shits on the floor?

55k Is an insane amount money for a single person to have

>>4405201
someone's gonna have to clean it up.
and my price doubles unless there's some damn good excuse.

>>4404914

Im not frugal and poor

I work on Wall Street

>>4405208
what's the nastiest job you had to do?

>>4405207
its more than enough to live like a boss

>55k master race

>>4405243
most of what I do is dangerous or hazardous rather than nasty.

however in the last 10 years I've never cleaned up puke, never cleaned shit that wasn't in a toilet. People rarely make messes for me once they realize how much I charge.

the nastiest work I've done is probably crime scene cleanup. The worst was a stabbing in my local post office a few years back. Blood all over. But there's a procedure to the cleaning and it's not difficult to deal with. I don't have a weak stomach.

>>4405262
so how much of the things you do are crime scene clean up? are the crime scene clean up jobs also the most expensive?

I'm okay with 10 bucks a day

>implying enough is enough

MOAR

>>4405268
I live in a small town, so I'm the only business in town licensed and trained to clean crime scenes... but there aren't very many crimes here either. I've done more than 10 but less than 20 maybe. Mostly fights.

bodily fluids I charge about $250/hour, the same as heavy metals or asbestos cleanups. So yeah, pretty expensive. Several thousand dollars per job in most cases.

>>4405276

you didn't mention the startup costs other than insurance
you need tools and equipment no>?

>>4405282
yes, but a mop bucket is ~$50
vacuum ~$75
ppe ~$25
mop, broom, mop heads etc ~$25
chemicals ~$15
other supplies are often provided by the client.

so the equipment and supply expense isn't even worth considering if you're making hundreds of dollars a day cleaning a decent sized building.

>>4404914
Science tells me I'll be happy with $75K/year or the equivalent thereof. I believe her.

>>4405288

what about van + truck?

i used to work in a theater and the night crew was a janitor team, they worked from 12am to 8am and had a lot of cleaning tools and fancy vacuums

they made like 15 bucks an hour, and the owner was working with them all the time. Some of them said they worked 16hour days...wtf

the owner drove a shitty van and wore dirty clothes; not a fun career by the look of it

It depends on where you live. $55k is shit tier in New York City or Tokyo, but it's warlord prince tier in Uganda or whatever.

>implying I don't make roughly 1.5 mil every year as a consultant to companies on neuromarketing

>PhD in Neuroscience
>750K starting
>Any job I want

>>4405309
cool wishful thinking, freshman.

>>4405300
most of my contracts are within walking distance...

but yeah, I didn't include the cost of a vehicle since I assumed most people have one already.

my business buys me a new Ram 1500 every year, but that's because it can. I wouldn't say it's necessary.

I'd agree, the average janitorial owner/operator isn't particularly wealthy or happy. I've bought out or starved out about 7 of those guys to get what I have. I don't work much, never do janitorial work, and spend a fair amount of time on the internets or on vacation. I dress like a slob I guess, but that's just me.

>>4405320
i think what people are failing to realize is that you're more like the guys in hazmat suits than the guys cleaning up puke in the cafeteria.

>>4405319
>implying I'm not 34
>implying my last vacation wasn't to Thailand

>>4405323
true, though I employ people to do both and rarely do either myself.

>>4405320
>a new Ram 1500 every year

lol why

>>4405324
>34 year old
>uses stale /b/ memes

yeah, no, you're a freshman if that.

>>4405309
>Having a job that pays over 100k
>Browsing 4chan

Seems unlikely

>>4405337
Hahaha, so mad.

>>4405338
Oh yeah? Why is that?

>>4405335
why not?
tax deductable, doesn't count as income.

my wife likes the Ram 1500, so that's what I get. claiming to need a Lambo for the biz is a bit less likely to fly with the IRS.

>>4405335
why not? he said he lives in a small town. anything he makes over 50k is likely pure disposable income.

>>4405342
Wastes too much time. Only people coasting through life without working hard can afford to spend their time here.

what do you people need these 6 figure salaries for anyway?

all I want is a nice, quiet place to live, a decent car, a nice laptop, maybe a TV. Money is spent on electric bills, internet bills, maybe cable bills, and food. I buy new clothes maybe once a year, so that' not really a problem. Might be cool to buy an xbox and video games or music production equipment, but still, I think a salary of around 50k/year would more than meet all my expectations

>>4405353
I pretty much just work in chunks. If I have a big presentation, then I'm working like 12-13 hours a day for a few weeks. In between accounts though, I'm essentially unemployed.

>>4405345
>>4405346

Because buying a bunch of new cars (and pickup trucks, at that) seems like something a teenager would do if he got a bunch of money, not something an adult would do. But I was a city kid, and maybe I'm just out of touch with rural 'murrica.

>>4405368
no, what I do isn't normal.
It's just one of the things I blow money on. I also have a $10,000 dollar saltwater aquarium, a decent house, and I spend on average $40k a year on travel, mostly to disneyland and disneyworld with my wife and kids.

beyond a certain point extra money is pointless, you won't find anything you want to spend it on.

>>4405368
what exactly will you do with all the extra money, wipe your ass with it?

in case you haven't heard, currency is meant to be exchanged for goods and services, not hoarded and being generally useless. yes, it's good to have some savings, but this guy probably has savings in the millions. a new car or truck a year won't hurt him financially in the least.

>>4405374
have you started hoarding any land?

my goal once i'm done with college is to hoard as much land in the rockies as possible, then retire as soon as possible and just live out the rest of my days as a hermit.

>>4405379
No food or internet?

>>4405379
I have a house in my colorado mountan town on 3 lots. I have 80 acres in the mountains south of town. I have a two week timeshare in florida and a slip in a marina in california. other than that no, land barely keeps up with inflation. In a few years I may buy a house to rent to my oldest son though.

>>4405359
>what do you people need these 6 figure salaries for anyway?

It's insurance. Insurance that you can do as you please, not have to worry about things so much. And being able to provide for your children's future.

>>4405381
internet i'm undecided about, food i was hoping to try to be largely self sufficient, but obviously i'll need some extra cash for supply runs. hence my retirement will need to be delayed by at least few years once i'm happy with the land i hoarded.

>>4405387
also, if you come to the rockies you'll be my neighbor.
so some neighborly advice: hermits freeze to death here all the time.

>>4405390
i won't be staying in a shack. what's the point of hoarding so much land if you won't build something even remotely lavish to live in?

plus, i'm not entirely set on rockies. i still have at least a year left of undergrad, possibly grad school, and maybe a decade or two before i start buying the land. the ozarks, maine, and idaho are all candidates, too. any state with as much state forests as possible would be best, then i don't have to worry about neighbors or development encroaching.

>own my own small IT company delivering IT solutions to SMB market
>sub-contracting out uni-students like most of you with shit commissions averaging ~$30/h implement and design solutions
>3 years o,, bis net worth over 3million
>22 years old and driving an f360 modena

Don't work for money. Make the money work for you.

>>4405404
I live across the highway from nat'l forest, it is good to have that security.

Colorado Rockies aren't any different from the mountains elsewhere. Living back in the woods is generally more expensive because you need water rights, roads built, electricity run, and your life will depend on having a working 4wheel drive and a decent snowmobile or snowcat.

not saying it wouldn't be awesom... just more work and expense than I'd care for. Pretty private though.

personally after 40 colorado winters I plan on retiring on the big island.
land in hawaii costs about as much as colorado.

>>4405416
>virgin

>>4405359
Don't you want to secure your future and enhance the lives of those around while having a lifestyle that is completely fulfilling?

>children

>>4405419
>not being a wizard

>>4405359
hahahahahaha poorfag.
excuse me while I hire people like you to work on my farm

>>4405419
>wife

>>4405422
I shouldn't have but I loled

>>4405419
>>4405416
>not enjoying the company of escorts

>>4405413
snow is the primarily reason why i'm not fully set on the rockies. i'm currently right outside of chicago, and snow is a pain even with others plowing the streets. i'd also like to have at least a few goats (dat cheese) and a donkey to protect them, but with harsh winters they would be much more difficult and expensive to care for.

the cost of setting everything up i'm not too worried about. i'm fully prepared to spend even two decades of saving up to be able to buy the land and anything associated with it.

>>4405426
>Not picking up hookers, and then running them over when you finish to get your money back.

>>4405428
I admit I lol'd.

>>4405427
I have a friend that keeps goats year round a ways south of me on the flats, but down there you won't find much vacant land.

snow is a bitch. I love snowboarding, but shoveling or plowing snow sucks ass. Not sure how things will go for you, but I found that by the time I had enough money to stop working I was pretty tired of doing anything. I'd guess I'm not normal in that regard though. I might just be lazy.

I'm from a rich family anyway.

I don't understand how there can be so many supposedly "intelligent people" on this board with stupid morons for parents who didn't even bother finishing college, getting a good six figure career, and plan for the future.

Intelligence is genetic, after all.

You're all imbeciles.

Sorry I'm late guys.
Janitor making exactly 55k
yareally
Actually the assistant project manager for a federal custodial contract. (that's Epic Levels janitor for the D&D crowd)
I am a HS drop out who spent his 20's tending bar and doing waitresses so, all things considered; turned out better than expected.
Frankly, I drop by the account 3-4 times a week, lurk /b/ from my desk for a few hours and say "Keep up the good work" on my way out the door.

Next time I level up I get to write my own contracts. That will be at least 150k. My current boss makes a little under a million a year.

Moral of the story kids:
Bad-ass shit-shovelers are worth more to the world than suck-shit lawyers/doctors/whatevers.

>Physics phd from MIT
>60k starting
>Any job I want

>>4405478
>>4405478


dumb in 16 different ways

>>4405507
Too many lawyers, not enough doctors.

Next time you get hurt and need help don't bother going to a doctor for treatment and don't bother getting a lawyer to help you file a lawsuit to pay off that on the job injury.

>>4405478
Please see >4405507 to underscore the difference between you and a human.

My dad made over 300k last year. He works in business as a director of sales for an IT consulting firm.

I will probably never make as much as him.

>>4405546

>>4405507

>>4405507
previous janitorial contractor here.
I do about 1/2 million a year in federal contracts. Not difficult, just a couple hours of CCR registration and filling out RFQ's every September. Fed contracts are a small portion of what I do, but they're also how I made my first million and moved up from 8(a) status.

>>4405525


janitors making 300k and 1mill on 4chan

give me a break

Lol when I'm a patent lawyer and I make ~800 - 1m annually.

>>4405571
most of my income is direct deposited, but I'd guess I can show you about 20 of these.

granted this income comes from environmental work in mining, but I make far more as a janitorial and hazardous waste contractor.

>>4405575
Hahaaha, good luck, kiddo.

Unless you went to harvard law like my brother the legal profession is so over saturated there's more lawyers per capita in America than anywhere else in the world. Doesn't matter what legal field whether its criminal or patent or whatever. Your chances are fucking trash.

>>4405571
etc.

let me know if you want about 18 more, I probably have them.

>>4405584

>has 2 jobs
>claims one earns over 16k a pay check

ya...cool story bro, why would you have 2 jobs if thats the case...

>>4404966

>industrial janitorial services

What does this mean, exactly? I'm genuinely interested.

>>4405595

That feel when I've been in the field 5 years and I'm making junior partner soon.

>>4405575

2 of my friends are lawyers and they hate it, they make 60k lol but they are juniors

my business professor was a lawyer and he hated it and tells everyone who aspires to go to law school "to see me after class so I may convince you not to go"

good luck though, in some cases law is a respectable profession like human rights law

>>4405602
I have on average 15 jobs at any one time.

I gross on average just over $100k per month
I have 14 employees, all of whom make more than you.

>>4405605
that's just cleaning in industrial areas such as mines, mills, water treatment plants, factory floors, etc.

it's generally a bit more dangerous, requires some special certifications, and often deals with hazardous waste.

>Hey guys, I'm a janitor making $300,000 a year
>Actually what I mean is I own a large company that employs many janitors

>>4405625
truth.

I never claimed to be a janitor itt though

>>4405622
Your employees how much do they make?

> charge $125-250 an hour for janitorial service while doing nothing
> pay the people actually doing the hard work $20 per hour

LOL capitalism at it's finest.

>>4405640
>>4405642
those that choose to work as employees get $12-$30 (depending on the worker and type of work) plus insurance and two weeks paid vacation.

those that choose to work as subcontractors pay me 12% of the gross value of the contract and keep (or lose) whatever they make.

capitalism is evil, but everyone seems to agree to the rules.

>>4405640
and to be more direct, my lowest paid employee made 46 grand last year, my foreman made 130.