/sci/ - Science & Math

Biology if you really suck at math.
Upper level CS classes have lots of math.

>>4364752
>Bad at science and math
You should work at a grocery store or kill yourself.

this fucking koala again

FUCK

YOU

>>4364762
/thread

>>4364762
kind of this, except don't kill yourself, just don't have children

maybe try something artistic, or something related to dealing with people.

>>4364772
>Artistic
Only people intelligent enough to do well in academic courses do well in the arts.

>>4364785
>artistic

He probably misspelled "autistic".

What about business? Biology itself is meh. Biologists don't know math, which could work for you, but are stupidly annoying from my working experience. I guess it just depends on what you want to do with a bio degree. CS is very logic and math heavy I wouldn't recommend it.

>>4364788
>CS
>math heavy

computer science
if your a programming geek
nevermind the maths, you will get to like maths when you do real programming with applied maths,

CS is nothing BUT math and science. I can't speak about biology.

>>4364800
Fixed:
>CS is nothing but babby tier math on highschool level

Enjoy your shitty education.

OP here again.

I really like video games. i thought in CS you learn to program them to better.

and I like evolution (I am atheist)

should I study bioinformatics?

>>4364804
When you're doing a shitty education, perhaps. I don't have experience with that sort of thing.

>>4364803
CS has shit to do with programming vidya, for the most part all programming will be practical business programming, stuff for statistics, data mining, etc... if your school is not a ghetto, you might get to work with quantum computer by the time you get to your senior year
CS is mathematical fundations of computation and computers, you might even have to review calculus topics for some classes
Biology's tend to be more in the shape of statistics and probability
Just take a programming major at some college with a minor in vidya

if you want to be a good video game designer
you should triple major in architecture, computer science and 1 engineering degree (for game mechanics)

What about cyber security?

For CS you will need calculus 1-2 (3?), linear algebra and discrete math, plus two semesters of physics.

Biology will require the same stuff minus discrete. But many schools have calculus/physics for life science majors. this is in California.

>>4364826
That depends entirely on the university.
>>4364821
>for the most part all programming will be practical business programming, stuff for statistics, data mining, etc...
Not remotely. Maybe in the university you went to, but this is not at all the case in general.

A good 8/10 CS majors respond to "Why did you pick CS?" with LOL I WANNA BE A VIDYA GAMES DESIGNER.

So if you go into CS without the desire to design video games a job is garen-fucking-teed.

Basically, all really smart people work with chemistry and maths. Biology is for the average egghead. Being a biology TEACHER, however, means you're dumb as shit.

Never become a biology teacher.

>>4364826
I just checked my school's page. Most UCs do require 2 semesters of calculus for biology, but it's the basic level. I took the same level of calc for economics, and it was fairly easy. Just take a precalc class beforehand and you're fine.

>>4364939
What if you want to save the koalas?

>>4364830
This.

Here, we have discrete maths, logic, more logic, some more discrete mathematics, cathegory theory, data structures, algorithms, programming paradigms, student-projects, SQL and relational algebra (as in both), a compiler course, visualization, linear algebra, calculus...

Programming Vidyagaems is NOT on the curriculum.

>>4364945
I WANT TO KILL ALL THE FUCKING KOALAS JUST TO NEVER SEE A PICTURE OF ONE REPOSTED ON /SCI/ ANYMOAR.

I can't figure out if OP is trolling or if he's really retarded.

>>4364972
saved OPs pic, will post it whenever i start a thread here on /sci/

Koala's are dirty and unfunny, they're not something I approve of.

i was very pleased to see this koala because they have cheerful faces. i realise that the apparent shape of their face from a human perspective is meaningless and the koala likely doesn't have any traits that i project on it based on its external features, but i can't help but feel slightly happier whenever i see a koala.

nice panda OP. so cute xD

If you take CS at a good school, you will get fucked by all the math. If you take CS at a shitty school, there will be less math but you'll be paying for an education that you could get by reading online tutorials.

Biology is science, so if you don't like science it's probably a poor choice.

Think about the school subjects that you do enjoy. Most importantly, don't be afraid of the possibility that university may not be for you. If you don't like math or science and you don't want to go into the arts, there are plenty of good hands-on jobs that you could do. Check out trade schools and apprenticeships.

>>4365356

0/10

bad troll, apply yourself

Undergraduate biology requires little math beyond retard level calculus and a little statistics. A friend of mine did a senior thesis in biology and the math was literally nothing a high school freshman couldn't have been taught.

>>4365356
>>4365366
>>4365377

stop derailing this koala thread.

>love nature
>fascinated by natural selection, origins of life, animal behavior and psychology
>biology is all about boring shit like memorizing bodily systems

Meh.

Think I'm gonna go down the computer science route to do something involving artificial intelligence, virtual reality or simulation. Artificially creating nature sounds fun.

>>4365415
Enjoy your soul-sucking hours of staring at lines of code

>>4365427

I'm cool with that. I've already invested quite a lot of hours into programming, making flash games and shit.

I'm thinking that perhaps study of biology will ruin the beauty in nature. Much like a film may be less enjoyable if you know and are capable of analyzing everything behind it (sound effects, music, set props, costumes.. that stuff that usually just comes together as one). And that, at least for me, mixing hobbies and work isn't a good thing. And I can consider my love of nature a hobby, so it'd be better off for me not to take biology?

Same with why I'm not really interested in programming video games (besides maybe small parts of it, like AI) with computer science. Flash games were no fun once I was making them myself.

>>4364752
>which requires less math and science?
get the fuck out

>people still thinking biology is fucking sponges and seaweed

Once you get into research, it's pretty much all on a molecular level. Even sponges and seaweed.

>Upper level CS classes have lots of math.

NO THEY DO NOT! I taken a bunch of them looking for the mythical advance mathematics in CS and it's simply not there. CS major way overestimate the difficulty of their own work because of their own stupidity...

>>4365511
>>4365511
>too stupid for engineering
LOLWUT

>>4364821
>CS is mathematical fundations of computation and computers, you might even have to review calculus topics for some classes

OMG, not the calculus twoes, say it isn't so. How do cs major become such awesome mathematicians?

>>4365511
I am a computer science student and I agree with that picture.

>>4364821
Ignore this response, and any others that use /4chan/ abbreviations:

>CS has shit to do with programming vidya
Totally wrong; most of the jobs and most of the instruction may be for applied uses like business,
but application development and game programming are definitely part of CS options, and even include graphics (it's graphics, not video, that is relevant).

>with a minor in vidya
There it is again; and it sounds here like he thinks video editing or production is related to game programming, and it simply isn't.

So many criticisms about Biology,
and they seem to be about biology's lack of intense math content.

Do you kiddies know that Biology has a lot of other knowledge that has to be acquired and applied?

>>4365511
>>4365511
the highest level CS in high school does not even go beyond algebra , and Booleans. CS are for linguistic fail nerds, while Calculus BC and multivariable Calculus is for win nerds.

>>4365601
Why in HELL would you think people are talking about HIGH SCHOOL level study?

This is real study; not high school garbage.

>>4365601
Can we please stop calling calculus "math".

>>4365603
>>4365603
ok it will be named "to complicated for you to understand"

>>4365604
>HELL

reported for religion troll

>>4365603
What category of subjects do you suggest it belongs to?
Logic? philosophy?

Math is a general category of study; it includes many subcategories, and one of those is calculus.

Theoretical Computer Science is Math, faggots.

And it's the only interesting subject in CS.

>>4365606
>to complicated

reported for wrong grammer

related question:
plan to major in either math or physics and while i would like to move further on than a bachelors it is unlikely untill after i graduate and get some income, so my question is what kind of pay, job outlook and job experience can i expect with a bachelor in one of these. fuck every website that romanticizes shit and says youll make 50grand entry level, it seems to good to be true. so it is up to you to give me the cold hard truth, do your worst.

>>4365606
Indeed. Anything that doesn't contain rigorous proofs but just playing with numbers is too complicated for me.

If you like to have a skill like carpentry, take CS.

If you want to do science, take biology.

PS; CS is the right answer if you learn by tinkering. I honestly can't believe how much trivial information i can remember by simply playing with it.

>>4365611
Theoretical CS is too hard for CS majors. They learn the simple basics, but the research is pure mathematics.

>>4365613
>math/physics degree

In California you will be a code monkey or do an engineer's job, both at lower pay than people with degrees in those fields.

Some schools have video game classes, here is CSE 125 at UCSD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMf7yRlD4eo

>>4365620

butthurt IS major detected

>>4364752
How about you go for a career in something that you don't suck ass at, fucking moron.

>>4365678
What the fuck is IS?

>>4365711
IS (information science) is the business side of corporate computing. Like cost/benefit analysis of buying/maintaining/implementing computer/server systems in large companies.

>>4365764
Thanks for informing me of another subject that is totally boring and uninteresting.

>>4365611
No, it simply isn't

>>4365620

I highly doubt it. People in theoretical CS can't do real math. One grad student once argued for days trying to say MST are in NP complete (*functional) until I went to his adviser to get him throw out of the program and deported. Another once refused to believe that that (R,+, <) is isomorphic to (R>0,*,<). Another one couldn't understand that solving a problem in DNF or sum of products was in P. Another refused to believe RSA couldn't be broken because it has "The same time complexity of TSP and hence is NP". A PROFESSOR once gave and entire lecture stating NP problems are complete if there doesn't exist a polynomial time checker; when I brought up that you can check SAT in linear time everyone just stared at me like I went crazy. I can go on and on about profound misunderstanding of math just like this by 'theoretical' CS staff.

Hell, just look at their extremely incorrect textbooks

>>4365824
>that picture

It hurts.

>>4365824

You just mentioned a few dumbasses.

>>4365836

Nothing wrong with it.

>>4365859
>Nothing wrong it.

Excuse me, but do you have even a fundamental understanding of the P=NP problem? What the author of this book is writing is complete and utter bullshit.

>>4365824
What you are describing sounds like a difference in context, not understanding.

Within the context of CS, many statements could be different from the same statements in plain logic.

>>4365659

Did you guys watch the UCSD game video? Do your schools have a similar course. That looks like a shit load of work in one quarter.

>>4365952

No.
No.

In my college if you say out loud that you got into CS because you want to be a game dev you will be laughed at.

I have a vague interest in narine biology and stuff like that. I've been thinking about transferring over to this major from my history major.

I realize I will most likely be teaching with my history major so my question is, other than teaching will marine biology open up many other career pathways or will I most likely be teaching as well? Because if that's the case it'll probably just be a waste of time starting over.

Just looking for input here, not asking you guys to make my decision for me.

>>4366211
*marine

To be honest, if you actually are not very intelligent, you won't be able to make it anywhere in biology after getting your BS. If you can at least struggle your way to completing a CS degree, you should be able to code monkey or something like that.

OP, unless you are a Curry-Nigger forget about comp sci.

OP, unless you are an Alpha forget about CS.

Because only Alphas do CS.