/sci/ - Science & Math

You help humanity in the progression towards a better existence, for one.

>2012
>not excelling in everything

Are you even trying, non-ubermensch?

>>4361088

The only science which directly contributes to human prosperity is medicine.

>>4361094
This is not true. Without physics and computer science we wouldn't have modern technology. Without chemistry we would not have inorganic materials to support this.

>>4361094
Let's ignore for a second that this is false, and focus on what I said. Did I say directly?

>>4361089
This.

The two are complementary not conflicting. Look up the greatest minds in history: Eratosthenes, Da Vinci et al.

Now stop being a whiny faggot and make something useful out of yourself. You have a hard life as Astrophysicist-Space-marine ahead of you, be to prepare for it while you still have chance.

>>4361099
>Without physics and computer science we wouldn't have modern technology

No.

>>4361112

You mad?

I wish I had a tiger or bear
ㅍ_ㅍ I would hug it and let it sleep in my bed and walk it every day

>>4361094
Medicine would consist of blood letting and amputation if it weren't for modern sciences such as biology, chemistry and physics.

Easier to make money off of intellectual pursuits.
Also contributes more to humanity.

>>4361112
Yes. Write me an OS without computer science and information theory. Design me a High-K 32nm transistor without extensive knowledge of quantum tunneling and electrodynamics.

>>4361121

Why don't you try deadlifting 350 lbs?

Fucking pussy.

is mostly the same.
if you are good here come the $$.
with money here come the women, respect and everything.
being a good athlete or sportsman will give you fans, respect, joy, love even without money. same goes if you are a good intellectual.
you will love to have a run/do sport the same way you'll enjoy a good book.
BUT...
only an intellectual really create wealth, new ideas, make the humanity progress.
a famous sportsman can only act like a sponsor for intellectual movements, but also some famous intellectual have the same possibilities that way.

>>4361121
Reported for inane trolling garbage.

>>4361141
What good does that do for humanity?

>>4361161

it makes humanity stronger when one of its members becomes stronger

>>4361161

On top of that, some idealistic garbage about "helping humanity" isn't going to get you anywhere.

I have no respect for the man who cannot respect his own physical form. You are a waste.

>>4361183
>I have no respect for the man who cannot respect his own physical form.
That's just fine by me.

You have a lovely day now.

You don't have to spend hours in the gym to stay /fit/.

Just retain enough /fit/ness so that you would be able to kill 99% of the population with your bare hands (not that hard when you consider most of those are poor Indians).

>>4361198

I'd knock your block off you fucking little shitcunt.

>>4361206
Stay classy internet tough guy.

>>4361204
Forgot to add the point I was actually trying to make:
Being /fit/ also helps improves your mental capabilities and keeps you from constantly wanting to off yourself.

>>4361204
>Thinks you need to work out to be able to kill people with your hands
only takes a minute to learn how to properly choke someone, and that can be done by anybody regardless of how out of shape

>>4361094
you can argue about that.
being able to share information on the internet is prosperity. being able to visit my parents 300km away with car is prosperity.books are prosperity. being able to play videogames is still prosperity.
being able to produce more food with less hours/man is prosperity.
of course medicine is the most direct of the science. knowoledge-> apply knowoledge to heal=prosperity.
while for engineering you have knowoledge-> apply knowoledge to build object-> the use of the object will give prosperity.

Why do I have the feeling OP is some idiot /fit/izen

Our society isn't about being a hunter-gatherer or warrior any more, it's about providing goods and services and manipulating money.

You're in a better position to take advantage of our society if you are well-educated and intelligent than if you're strong, on average.

damit /sci/

I expected this to be a troll thread, with a few decent replies.

But I didn't expect it to be a derailed troll thread. fuck you.

>>4361227
Yes, but you can't get someone significantly stronger than you into a choke hold. you probably won't be in a position like that to begin with though (we guns and missiles now etc.). Humans are a lot more animalistic than most of us would like to believe, you receive a lot more respect and consideration form everyone based on your looks alone, it's sad, but true. Also there's the benefits in intellectual prowess and health you have to consider, but you don't need weights or a gym to get decent strength/benefits, the Greeks sure as hell didn't use them (even the Spartans trained mainly with Calisthenic methods).

>>4361198
>That's just fine by me.
>You have a lovely day now.

"No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training...what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable."

>some idealistic garbage about "helping humanity" isn't going to get you anywhere

“Let him who would move the world first move himself.”

>>4361250
>You're in a better position to take advantage of our society if you are well-educated and intelligent than if you're strong, on average.

Well yes, but again, why can't you do both? If you take a close look at 500 CEO's, they are all tall, /fit/ and handsome, having a decent education and reasonable fluid intelligence is certainly more important, but you can always cut a little time from your sci-fi and 4chan browsing to get into a better shape (you can't study all the time, unless you were born with God-tier concentration(read: Aspie)).

>>4361089
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>>4361307
Once you become a CEO of a massive company it's a lot easier to get a personal trainer.

Really, making sure your education and qualifications are impressive is more important than doing 5 mile runs and lifting weights.

because the sense of sheer wonder and awesomeness that comes with exploring and understanding our world will always far outstrip any amount of awesomeness that I might personally achieve via physical training.

On a personal level, the sense of excitement that can be had by learning organic/physical chemistry.. the very nature of reality's fabric, including myself, will not only be directly rewarding, but facilitate my side-quest for a strong, fit body (nutrition, mechanics of muscle contraction, understanding necessity for neuro-muscular integration for optimal workout, half-lives of stress hormones and organizing a routine around peaked androgens... not to mention the mental discipline required to stick to a routine)

both is definitely better, of course.. but a strong mind sets you up for a strong body better than vice versa.

>>4361114 walk
You meant to write ride

>>4361349
We could argue about this all day, and while I agree with you that physical fitness is less important education, it shouldn't be neglected altogether; a common trend among MODERN [I cannot emphasize enough that this is only a recent development] technical students.

[I wrote several more paragraphs, but decided to delete it instead, have a nice day.]

-Contributes more to humanity.
-Easier to make money.
-Your body degrades while you age. Your mind doesn't, or at least at a much slower pace (unless you have some kind of mental disease).
-If you excel at your job, you could actually have some significance in history and be remembered after you die. Professional athletes are hardly remembered.

Not that I could have become any sort of professional athlete anyway, but the reason why I dedicated my life to academics early on was because I had a genuine interest in science: in animals; in how the universe worked; in the human body; etc.

As I went through into high school and college, I realized that dedicating my life to biomedical research was worthwhile because I could make a worthwhile contribution to the alleviation of human suffering. Had I have devoted my life to athletics, my contributions to society would have been, principally, of entertainment.

Still, that doesn't change the fact that I will never shun physical endeavors. I guess one of the (few) nice things about grad school is that I can show up to my lab at 10 in the morning, so I can exercise every day before work without getting up at some ridiculous hour.

Only childish high school nerds that are picked on by jocks don't dedicate atleast 4 hours out of a week to keeping in shape. To say that you can only be intellectually or physically fit with no middle ground is horribly naive, to the point that you simplify life to D&D classes.