/sci/ - Science & Math

>Please refrain from posting if you're an atheist.
no can do.

Religion and science go hand in hand. Strong faith can be a powerful incentive to increase your effort in doing research. Every scientific theory just gives more insight in the beauty of God's creation.

>>4360288
Reported for what? I posted my opinion in a thread asking for opinions.

>>4360287

reported

physicist here

i never understood the argument "stop asking questions how it works"

i mean, what does the existance of god have to do with my interest of how things work?

Being religious doesn't really have to come in the way of scientific research, as long as it's the right religion. I.e., not Islam.

I'm not an atheist, but I'm not a Christian either (or a theist). I guess that means I'm free to shit up this thread.

More seriously, I grant that religion and science *can be* compatible. This, however, depends on religion not making stupid claims about the natural world that contradict science. Therefore it entails the abandonment of some doctrines that exist in Christianity (or most other existing religions). Are you a bad enough dude to throw away false doctrines?

>>4360293
You have to be either atheist or theist. It really is a dichotomy.

The existence of the placebo effect proves faith works.

>>4360299
Agnosticism is the third (and the only rational) position.

>>4360299
No it isn't, because atheism is disbelief in God while theism is positive belief in *an interventionist God.* Those who believe in God, but not that God meddles in the affairs of the world fall between the cracks and are called "deist."

>>4360283
They don't allow christians to be scientists anymore. They are too dumb.

They usually coexist fine, as long as the scientists are making discoveries that benefit the religious in some way. That is, until they're making discoveries that expose the bullshit claims of said religions, then they get all up in science's grill. Curious that this never happens in the reverse.

>>4360300
This right here. The placebo effect shows how much affect believing in something none effective can have. You can be given a calcium carbonate pill, be told it's cancer medication and recover.

Science is dichotomous to religion, one is the lack of faith without evidence, the other faith despite evidence. People that play scientist while believing in the judeochristian god are decieving themselves.

If you say 'they just don't believe the rediculous stuff' then you are missing the point, they are scripture, the stories of Lot's wife becoming a pillar of salt is true if the genesis myth is true.

You can't cherry pick from your own holy book.

You can believe in a god if you are a scientist, if you can't reconcile the math and implications in your mind then believing in a god that started it all is fine, but christianity is not compatible with science.

>>4360283
>2012
>think fairytales are true

>>4360306
>atheism is disbelief in God
Atheism is a lack of a belief in any god. If you can't honestly say "God definitely exists," you are an atheist.

> theism is positive belief in *an interventionist God.*
This is also wrong. Theism is a belief in any god. The nature of that god is irrelevant.

>>4360283
Adults who believe in imaginary friends are fucked up in the head. Do not associate with religious people, it only makes you look fucking stupid.

>>4360314
I don't want to have this pointless debate over semantics. If I called myself atheist or theist it would only promote confusion, because it would be against the common definitions of those words. The only reason words have definitions in the first place is to allow communication of meaning. Maybe from etymology it would seem that "theist" and "atheist" should be mutually exhaustive, but it isn't so in common parlance.

All that said, guess what? I'm going to go on calling myself a deist and you can suck my cock. How's that?

The "atheists" posting ITT are not really atheist. An atheist would say "A religion thread? Hey, I don't care." and would simply igonre it. Those posting their wild attacks here are nothing but religion haters, people who didn't manage to fully give up religion and are still emotionally struggeling. For whatever reason they need to put a lot of aggression in a pointless issue like the one discussed ITT. As an atheist I am ashamed of these guys calling themselves "atheist" and giving the simple non-belief the bad reputation of pseudo-religious fanatism.

>>4360324
>christians have small cocks

However will I find your cock?

>>4360316

well in fact, it's perfectly suited for "cherry-picking" - because you can interpret it the way you want

maybe someone will tell then "you are no ...", but that doesn't matter - because your faith won't change

ever head the line "that's not to be taken literally"?

then you know what i mean...

>>4360325
>implying it isn't fun to make fun of very stupid people

Making fun or christians is practically a fucking sport. It is a great game to play with friends and family.

>>4360328
The thing is, IT'S THE WORD OF GOD.
If one part is not to be taken litterally then why should I take the part about the talking snake decieving a woman literally. If you did that the entire book would need to not be taken literally, if so, why bother calling yourself a christian, you aren't a christian, you believe jesus existed and that there is a god, but not whats in your own scriptures

>>4360329

>>4360330
>trying to persuade a christian to think reasonably or logically

>point out obvious faults in religion, expect religious people to care

CHRISTIANS ARE FUCKING BRAINWASHED MORONS. Don't waste your time with them. If they knew how to think reasonably, logically or rationally THEY WOULDN'T BE FUCKING CHRISTIAN.

>>4360333
But half the fun is getting them to concede there is no reason to believe anything they say.

>>4360333

>>4360330

in fact there is nearly no part in the bible that shoud be taken literally

you allways have to keep in mind that humans wrote it (although you would say influenced/quided by the holy ghost) - with a certian purpose, a certain social environment, a certain mindset, certain culture ...)

you have to take that into account...

Judging by the amount of both atheism and forever alone/socially awkward penguin on reddit, it`s safe to say that the two are strongly correlated. NERDS!

>>4360333
If you look at the evidence, you find a few things:

1.) Most current atheists are ex-Christians
2.) Brainwashing is a dubious idea that has never been confirmed to be real
3.) Anecdotally, whenever someone is said to be "brainwashed" it's almost always just an idle insult or a way to fallaciously dismiss that person's POV

>>4360337
>find a christian who is smart enough to know christanity is bullshit

>yet they still remain a christian

Yeah, my thesis statement is correct. Christians are fucking morons.

>>4360343
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control

If you are brought up by your parents who tell you that god exists, you believe them, children are incapable of seperating fantasy from reality and are often unable to comprehend what a lie is. Childrens minds are pliable, that is why it is possible to teach them, they believe whatever you tell them. So parents bringing their child up believing in god are brainwashing them to believe in something without proof, now if we used that concept in a legal system we would be fucked.

>>4360343
Belief in "magic" is not a valid point of view, IT IS A FUCKING MENTAL DISORDER. Christians shouldn't be given a fucking pass, they should be locked up in mental institutions.

As a society we need to stop giving validity TO FUCKING RETARDED "points of view" and just call them out for the bullshit they are.

>>4360347
People abandon beliefs they held as children all the time. Are people forever "brainwashed" to believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? Furthermore, children lie all the time, so I find it hard to believe that they don't understand lying when you've presented no evidence. That's the common thread here, you assert all this stuff about brainwashing but there's no evidence for any of it. "Brainwashing" is considered a derelict concept in psychology.

>>4360349
Maybe you need to be locked up in a mental institution, since you go around advocating violence at the drop of a hat even when my post had nothing to do with your subsequent rant and I wasn't even talking about Christians in particular when I made the statement that set you off. Irrelevant and extreme ranting is generally a symptom of psychiatric disease.

>>4360351
They abandon beliefs because they take into consideration what society says on the issue.

If society said that Santa Clause was real, most adults would believe that Santa is real. The only reason they're are so many "christians" is because society reinforces that fucked up fantasy.

get the fuck off my /sci/ christfag!!!!

>>4360354
You're prevaricating about the reason they should be considered "brainwashed." Perhaps you could start by providing evidence why we should consider the entire idea of brainwashing to be valid instead of a load of hogwash.

>>4360351
Does santa exist? No. Do children believe he exists? Yes whole heartedly, they put letters up their chimney for him, every day in the run up to christmas their belief is reinforced, with pictures of him, people telling you stories about him, you can even go an meet him at the mall and sit on his knee. Then you grow up, you lose nothing from finding out the truth, if you don't believe in santa you don't get burnt in hell for all eternity, he will still bring you presents if he does exist and you are good. Now this process of reinforcement is so much stronger for believing in god. Every sunday you go to a building that is the biggest most decorated building you know, and in there all the people in town worship god, every night you pray to him, if you don't believe you suffer for all eternity.

The reason we get over Santa and the Easter bunny is that we have the support of those around us to teach us that they aren't real, that we aren't going to suffer eternal when we stop believing.

>>4360353
>implying I am advocating violence

I am advocating compassion. Christians need mental help, and should get it. With enough people working on the problem, maybe there will even be a "cure" to christianity one day. I would love to see the day that these "chirstians" can be cured, and finally become productive, fully functioning members of society.

We will never get a cure, unless we admit there is a problem. Have you no compassion? How can you stand by while people live with this affliction everyday?

>>4360364
ALL YOU DO IS WIN WIN WIN...

>>4360358
>Doesn't know how to look up shit on the internet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control

You display of apparent christianity (stupidity) makes me sad.

>>4360364
Here we see more evidence of your mental disease as you refuse to acknowledge straightforward categorical truths like "locking someone up" being a form of violence.

>>4360377
>has no compassion for his fellow man
>probably a self proclaimed "christian"

So people with terrible mental disabilities shouldn't be given help? That is what you actually believe?

What is your alternative? Should we allow them to roam free and fuck up society? Allow them to live a sad pathetic life? Should we kill them all? Send them to jail?

How to you deal with these people?

>>4360376
I could just post the same link back to you, since there are perspectives in the article that dismiss brainwashing. Also note that the development of the idea of brainwashing has been closely associated with at least two separate moral panics (instances of social hysteria) in the red scare and the anti-cult phenomenon of the 80s. Social science unfortunately sometimes serves as the handmaiden of the status quo, whatever that may be at the time.

>>4360381
I see no reason to continue this laughable thread of conversation. Rest assured that if anyone looks insane, it's you.

>>4360384
no it really isn't that's what's so sad, he looks like the last sane man in a zombie apocolypse.

>>4360381
>>4360364
>>4360349
"their protector, the strongest and sanest of them all"

>>4360384
>guy wants to help the sick
>call him insane

You are doing christanity wrong

>spend life trying to understand theoretical physics, taking general relativity, QM, E&M, etc ,etc
>get told it's none sense by a bunch of crack pots that can't pass calc 1

ok.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlBQVpAjs4

Here is a video I made with my vicar.
I have an MSc in Comp Sci btw

>>4360713
1. Your video sucks.
2. Comp "Sci" sucks even more.

And I don't even care about the religious content.

Even if you dont like the video, that part of
of the Bible is very humbling, and deep

AND I did the OU third year module on gen rel and spec rel.
AND I passed the exam.
What has a load of physics about frames of reference and light speed being the same in each ref, then a load of algebra
finally giving

<span class="math">
e = \frac{m.c^2}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c}}
[\math]
got to do with religion
Even if you dont like the video, that part of
of the Bible is very humbling, and deep[/spoiler]

AND I did the OU third year module on gen rel and spec rel.
AND I passed the exam.
What has a load of physics about frames of reference and light speed being the same in each ref, then a load of algebra
finally giving
<span class="math">
e = \frac{m.c^2}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c}}}

[\math]

Even if you dont like the video, that part of
of the Bible is very humbling, and deep[/spoiler]

Wow, holy shit. How has this abomination of a thread lasted this long?

Welp, not on my watch. Reported.

AND I did the OU third year module on gen rel and spec rel.
AND I passed the exam.
What has a load of physics about frames of reference and light speed being the same in each ref, then a load of algebra
finally giving
<span class="math">
e = \frac{m.c^2}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c}}}
[\math][/spoiler]

that one, the latex on this board is wierd.

>>4360750
Holy shit how retarded are you to not close your tag with [ /math].

Yeah well I am used to proper latex where you start with $$ and end the equation with $$

I LOVE GOD AND YOU CANT CHANGE ME SCI

SUCK MY NUTS

>>4360774

>I LOVE GOD AND YOU CANT CHANGE ME SCI

But I can change you. Into an energy dense, low emissions biofuel by way of biomas gasification or thermal depolymerization, depending which facilities are available near you.

>>4360778
YOU FOOL. GOD WILL SMITE YOU DOWN

>>4360304
There is no third option. Either you believe in a deity or you don't. If you're not sure if one exists, congratulations, you're an atheist.

>>4360789

0/10