/sci/ - Science & Math

>>4286437
>This comic
BRILLANT!

I am a free mason, I wish I wasnt. They dont worship satan. But its stupid.

>>4286449
a lot of the mason symbols they jacked from the bulgarian illuminati are occult in nature. i just want to know why even the brightest are so fucking stupid fucking DAMN i hate humans

>>4286449

get off my science board reptilian scum

You call it satan, most of them worship a divine creator.
Supposedly the higher up freemasons, those of which who are connected by blood are devil worshipers, but I haven't seen any empirical evidence about this shit, so I really don't worry about speculations.

Either way, they all study the true nature of the universe, and worship it's geometry and symmetry, and how everything flows and fits together and try and find the balance between good and bad, light and dark.

>>4286465
and the belief that good and bad is real and nothing more than a petty human concept because their minds are small is exactly why human beings are disgusting inferior pieces of shit compared to me

>>4286471
Lol whatever dude, it was just an example, we don't have to have it in there.

But finding the balance between light and dark is still staying.

And concerning the geometric nature of the universe, take a look at this cymatics experiment.

Some dudes took salt, poured some on a flat black thingy which vibrates at different frequencies, and watched what it did to the salt when you changed the frequency.
The patterns would get more complex yet still stay symmetrical when you increased the fruequency.

That's some cool shit nigga.

>>4286474

It's cool, but it in know way implies any sort of divine force.

>>4286474
And also, notice how when you turn up the frequency from say, 5 to six, the patterns alternate between square shapes to more circular shapes.
Kind of like 'odd and even', 'ying and yang'.
Just an observation.

And with this picture, were getting into more conspiracy theory bullshit, but the crop circle seems legit.
And the picture it contrasts to is another cymatics experiment. But the frequency that one was on was a lot higher.

>>4286478
Oh fuck no, I don't think there's a creator at all, that's just fucking stupid.
But, I do believe in all that new age hippie shit about unity consciousness being all connected by the energy that flows throughout the universe.

Kind of how Obi Wan describes the force in episode IV.

>>4286483

>>4286485
Hey, it makes more sense than Christianity.

>>4286483

I am the free mason from above. I am an atheist.

When I joined I was curious, and I didnt mind hanging out with them for a bit until I became a member. I thought my believes were vague enough to be considered belief in a "supreme being."

In hindsight however, it wasnt. Nearly all of them believe in explicitly christian values, and the whole thing goes back to biblical stories. The whole culture and language revolves around jewish stuff.

Ultimately I just feel bad for being dishonest, even if I didnt mean to be. Its not like I dont mind these people, but I do mind pointless rules, and bureaucracy revolving around beliefs I dont have.

In short, having the vague unity consciousness hippie stuff isnt enough, in my opinion.

>>4286491

But its just as unfounded and based on just as much wishful thinking.

>>4286491
>Hey, it makes more sense than Christianity.
You are seriously fucking retarded.

>>4286492
>In short, having the vague unity consciousness hippie stuff isnt enough, in my opinion.
What do you mean, like, you want more evidence?
Or good, hard evidence?
>>4286493
>But its just as unfounded and based on just as much wishful thinking.
That's the thing though, I've been reading/watching videos/talking to people about this shit for a few years now, and intuitively it just seems to make sense.
I'm terrible with reiterating things I read and watch, but it just seems to put the pieces together.

I don't know, there's no way I'm convincing anybody on this board that this belief of mine has any basis in reality.
But the only way you'll be able to glimpse things from my perspective is to want to read about it yourself.

Like, one thing that makes me believe it is this weird coincidence that most people that do psychedelics have this profound, life changing experience where they 'embraced the divine', so to speak.
On mushrooms, acid, DMT, peyote, mescaline, salvia.
Then there's that whole intense placebo effect the brain can do where it can literally make you unsick just by thinking to yourself that you will get better.
>>4286496
Naw dawg, dat ain't me.

>>4286510

>What do you mean, like, you want more evidence?
>Or good, hard evidence?

Oh, no, I just mean not good enough to be a freemason.

>>4286510

>and intuitively it just seems to make sense.

That means almost nothing.

>Like, one thing that makes me believe it is this weird coincidence that most people that do psychedelics have this profound, life changing experience where they 'embraced the divine', so to speak.
On mushrooms, acid, DMT, peyote, mescaline, salvia.

That messes with your brain. DMT is released when you have a near death experience. It trips you out, but it's a purely physical experience I can assure you.

>Then there's that whole intense placebo effect the brain can do where it can literally make you unsick just by thinking to yourself that you will get better.

That's not how the placebo effect works.

>>4286515
So theoretically, if I tried to become a freemason, I wouldn't be allowed because I don't literally believe that there's a divine creator or something?
That's fucking stupid.

And that's another reason why I believe this universal consciousness theory.

It doesn't have an entry fee to be part of this 'cosmic religion', there's no pyramid system or rank.
Completely free, because you can practice it anywhere, anytime, in any type of clothes, or no clothes at all.
It doesn't project hate or insecurities, doesn't judge, and embraces everything and everyone because we are all united in this infinite universe.

And personally, I believe the reason we are all here is just to experience life and have fun.
Most people ask 'why, what's the point?'
I believe the answer is 'why not?'.
It just seems to be the most honest one out there.

>>4286523

>So theoretically, if I tried to become a freemason, I wouldn't be allowed because I don't literally believe that there's a divine creator or something?

Not exactly. At my local lodge the criteria are:

1. Must Believe in a supreme being
2. Cant be actively against the government
3. Must have the signatures of 2 masons that you have known for at least 6 months

Supreme being is vague, and many people apply. I thought I applied, and I guess I sort of did.

My mistake was thinking that because my beliefs technically qualified I would be comfortable in the environment. I really wasnt.

>>4286523

"It doesn't have an entry fee to be part of this 'cosmic religion', there's no pyramid system or rank.
Completely free, because you can practice it anywhere, anytime, in any type of clothes, or no clothes at all.
It doesn't project hate or insecurities, doesn't judge, and embraces everything and everyone because we are all united in this infinite universe."

>I like this idea
>Therefore my batshit crazy ideas are right.

fuckyeahlogic.jpg

>>4286521
>That means almost nothing.
In a lab, no.
But it means something to me, and the people I know, because they can feel it too.
Even those who aren't completely into it, and haven't heard about any of it at all.

>That messes with your brain. DMT is released when you have a near death experience. It trips you out, but it's a purely physical experience I can assure you.
>I can assure you.

Um, at least I'm admitting that I'm not 100% sure about my own beliefs.
You however, cannot assure me that.
Seriously, read up on the thousands of trips other people have had on all different psychedelics.
And then try some yourself.
Don't do it at a party, that's fucking stupid, do it outside one night in a field, and have a tent, some food and water and just let it happen.
It's really quite the experience.
And it's a lot more then 'lol so randum kewl colors XD'.

>That's not how the placebo effect works.
Well, when scientists do the sugar pill study, they give the person the placebo pill.
The person takes it, thinking it's the actual pill.
They think they'll get better, and they do.
So it seems like that is how it works.

>>4286535
Dude, you should really check the thread about monism right now. It would clear up a lot of your confusion regarding DMT and trips (which is all chemistry, son)

>>4286534
Yes, I know.
It sounds completely insane.
And I doubt myself and what I believe all the time.
But it just seems to fit everything together right.

>And then try some yourself.

I've had some fucked up trips let me assure you. I woke up in the hospital once after my passing out. My heart rate dropped drastically and I thought I was dead while it was happening. I swear I spent a week like that even though it was only 5 hours. That doesn't change a thing though, it's all chemistry.

>So it seems like that is how it works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo#Mechanism_of_the_effect

Again, it's all chemistry. Also the efficacy of the placebo effect is often drastically overstated.

>>4286535

>And then try some yourself.

I've had some fucked up trips let me assure you. I woke up in the hospital once after my passing out. My heart rate dropped drastically and I thought I was dead while it was happening. I swear I spent a week like that even though it was only 5 hours. That doesn't change a thing though, it's all chemistry.

>So it seems like that is how it works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo#Mechanism_of_the_effect

Again, it's all chemistry. Also the efficacy of the placebo effect is often drastically overstated.

>>4286551
>That doesn't change a thing though, it's all chemistry.
But it's possible that what you are experiencing is a tapping in of sorts to a different reality.
This physical experience with the chemical reactions is still very real, and still happening.
If someone shoots me in the head, I'm 'dead'.
Well, my body is about to start deteriorating because my brain is pouring out of my skull.
But at the same time, my 'mind', my 'spirit', my 'consciousness', whatever you want to call it is no longer connected to my body, and is exploring somewhere else.
Quite possibly looking to manifest in another body while it's still being prepared, then I become someone else.
Or my mind stays wandering and maybe say, goes to a different dimension or something, I don't know.

>>4286568

>But at the same time, my 'mind', my 'spirit', my 'consciousness', whatever you want to call it is no longer connected to my body, and is exploring somewhere else.

[citation needed]
Seriously, there is nothing to suggest that consciousness isn't just an emergent property of neural networks in the brain. It's a function, not an entity.

>goes to a different dimension or something

What does that even mean?

>>4286541
Two weeks agoI looked up at the night sky and saw this constellation. It was beautiful. Went inside and lookedvit up. Motherfucking Orion.

>>4286551
Oh, and fair enough about the placebo thing.
But think about this, most cancers are caused from stress.
And really stress is created by your own mind, because if you can properly focus on your own problems, you can be less worried/stressed about them.

So really you can 'heal' yourself with your mind, it's possible.
But you can also destroy yourself.

It goes both ways.

>>4286580
You should use your mind to tell it your body to stop replicating DNA

>>4286574
>Citation needed
Never said I had hard evidence, just said that I think it's possible and I'm just trying to explain the idea in more depth to you.
It's tough though when you want to just have me come to my conclusion when really the only way you will ever understand where I'm coming from is to experience it yourself.
>What does that even mean?
There's supposedly different levels of reality, different dimensions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY_ZgAvXsuw

And so the theory from some is that maybe 'heaven' isn't that cloud fest in the sky where everyone goes to play harps, but rather just a higher level of existing.
Where time is something you can manipulate and control.

>>4286585
Hue hue hue.
You're implying I have kids.
I don't, and I don't intend to create more.
If I ever feel the urge to raise a child, I'll adopt.
Too many people in this world as it is.
>Why?
Why not?

>>4286596
Let me ask you this question: Does the brain cease function once the heart has stopped pumping blood?

Is the only way we are perceiving our realities is from the brain? So what do you expect happens once consciousness ceases?

Who you "are" is genetically wired, a product of environment, but more importantly: chemicals, matter.

Do you believe there is anything other than nothingness after death? Can you even perceive it without a functioning brain?

>>4286580

>But think about this, most cancers are caused from stress.

again [citation needed]. Cancers are caused by groups of cells which begin dividing rapidly and out of control. This can be triggered by a number of factors including hormones, radiation, certain chemicals in foods, infection, physical agents such as asbestos or even genetic triggers.

Relaxing yourself releases chemicals like dopamine that can help cure certain ailments like head or body aches. Thinking positive thoughts happens at the same time as the chemical releases not as a precursor. The thoughts are a side effect. The whole "mind over matter" thing is pretty much bunk. Your mind IS matter.

>>4286605
I was implying that if you cease DNA replication, you will die. Although not having kids is also a function of that action occuring lol

>>4286607
I don't fucking know.
What I believe however is that the mind is something separate from the brain, and the brain is just an organic computer of sorts, a tool for the mind/spirit/consciousness to play around and experience life in this universe through the physical plane of existence.
(Although technically I don't think anything is 'separated' truly. I believe it's all connected at the lowest base, a quantum fabric of sorts.)
The brain will die but the mind will go on forever, constantly experiencing life and infinity for the fuck of it because fuck it, what else are you gonna do, nothing?
>>4286608
Ok, I think were still arguing about this is because were talking about the exact same shit, but with different viewpoints.
Yes, it's chemical reactions.
Yes, I agree with you, that's how it works.
But what do you think is releasing the chemicals in your body to fix/destroy it?
Your brain.
And if your mind believes it needs say, a glass of water to fix your hangover, the source of that chemical reaction of the h20 entering and hydrating and fixing your body is the brain, the mind turning the thought into the physical.

>>4286612
lol

>>4286624

Oh you believe in free will.

protip: there's no ghost in the machine. When you're dehydrated, the lack of water kickstarts a cascading neurological response which releases hormones and chemicals that effect nerve pathways that make you move your body toward water and drink it. You thinking "I'm thirsty" is a result of this, not its cause. They happen at the same time.

Also:
>popsci, but still really cool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6S9OidmNZM

>and here's the meat and potatoes:

http://rifters.com/real/articles/NatureNeuroScience_Soon_et_al.pdf

>>4286624
>the brain is just an organic computer of sorts, a tool for the mind/spirit/consciousness to play around and experience life in
[citation needed]

>The brain will die but the mind will go on forever, constantly experiencing life and infinity for the fuck of it because fuck it, what else are you gonna do, nothing?

We can't even perceive nothingness because we've always been conscious. I think that's really why people are so mystified or scared of death, because its truly unknown.

Do you ever remember things during when you blackout or lose conciousness? You wake up, ask wtf happened and how long was I passed out for?

Now imagine that on an infinite scale. That is what I imagine death is, except you don't wake up. There is no brain to perceive reality.

>And if your mind believes it needs say, a glass of water to fix your hangover, the source of that chemical reaction of the h20 entering and hydrating and fixing your body is the brain, the mind turning the thought into the physical.

I just, nah, I can't

>>4286643
Ok, but conversely, you can force yourself to drink water when your body isn't telling you to drink it.
There is no chemical stimulating your brain to tell it that you need water, because you don't.
That's purely 'you' doing shit for the fuck of it.
And then you over hydrate yourself and die.

And yea I'll check those links out.

>Oh, you believe in free will
Well, yes and no.
I still know that when I wake up in the morning, I'm making a conscious decision to eat either toast or cereal.
But on say, a larger scale(or smaller), I really don't have any freedom, and my destiny is laid out for me.
Which is fine, it's not like I'll be able to 'feel' that control any time soon.
>>4286646
>[citation needed]
Again, just stating my beliefs, not saying this is fact.

And you may not remember anything, but don't you still have thoughts?
Cause I can wake up sometimes and not remember anything in between bedtime and morning, but I know I dreamed.
I know my mind was still perceiving it.
And here's a cool little link for you on that subject, it's a man who did like, 13 grams of mushrooms in his closet in the dark, and he said he recalled every single memory he ever had clearly.
You'll have to read it though, cause like I said, I'm terrible with reiterating information.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=45587

>>4286669

>Ok, but conversely, you can force yourself to drink water when your body isn't telling you to drink it.

You are your body. That's the same process I said earlier.

>>Oh, you believe in free will

I guess I should define free will. Metaphysical free will is pretty much bunk. There's no evidence of dualism and it's not a particularly useful idea. I actually do believe in the compatibilist idea of free will, which basically means you are able to react to stimuli. It's not really free will, but the appearance of free will, although pragmatically it really makes no difference.

Tldr: You're a great big complex biological computer. It's awesome, but it's not "universal" and it's not magic.

>>4286690
I think I'll just have to do more reading on that I guess.

>Tldr: You're a great big complex biological computer. It's awesome, but it's not "universal" and it's not magic.
Yea, it is fucking awesome lol.
And I don't think any of it is 'magic', I personally believe it can all be logically explained, we just have to converse about it more, and look into it.

Dude, I'm loving your cat pictures btw, it's making my night.

And also, you're gonna fucking hate my guts for me even bringing it up, but, spirit science.
I realize that it sounds batshit insane, and the episode 12 about Atlantis and shit is more far gone than Scientology, but some of his videos actually seem to make a lot of sense.
I'll just link the ones that aren't retarded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buQzRtkAMN8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsCAFmAIslg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7GJ-8SY068
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqliNMfapwQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vybaO0bYM0U&feature=related

Please check it out, more for understanding better what I'm trying to explain, and just food for thought really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monism

Ok, wow, fuck, this is all I had to do, post this link.
This is really what I was getting at.
But the videos don't hurt to watch.

>>4286710

I'll check them out. I actually like watching stuff like that I find it interesting. I get pretty bad insomnia sometimes and this video series on youtube about "vortex energy" by someone named gridkeeper was extremely calming.

I hope I'm no coming off as too dismissive. I think creativity is great, but you have to keep in mind that just because something "makes sense" doesn't mean it's right. It really bugs me when people refuse medical treatment and instead go to some charlatan who talks about "quantum healing" and takes them for a ride.

>>4286733
I understand where you're coming from.
I despise dishonesty, and when those slimey people enter into a good group or circle or something and manipulate the people to their advantage just because they are so trusting is terrible.
But you're going to find that everywhere, regardless of what it is.
I still for the most part just get a good nights sleep, eat healthy and exercise and try not to worry about anything, and I've only needed Tylenol twice in the past year.

And yea, it doesn't necessarily mean it's right, but I honestly get such a feeling when I read about this stuff and try and take the 'information', and put it into perspective of this universe, and it just feels so...harmonious.

>>4286749

As long as it's just a hobby/philosophy then more power to you. Damn I want to go smoke and lay out under the stars now haha. Too bad you usually can't see shit in LA.

>>4286755
Oh shit you live in LA?
Dude, come to Canada, it's amazing!
And were more economically stable, and less crowded.
(Sorry, not trying to brag).

>>4286758

I've only been in LA for a year and a half. I spent most of my life up in Nor-Cal. I've never been to Canada, but Oregon is close enough haha.

>>4286758

I've only been in LA for a year and a half. I spent most of my life up in Nor-Cal. I've never been to Canada, but Oregon is close enough haha.

>>4286768
WA > OR=Canada > CA

sup money?

>>4286774

Northern California is hella better.

>>4286768
Probably haha, but it doesn't hurt to come check it out.
Mostly because there's barely any light pollution just outside of calgary, alberta and the stars are amazing.
Neways dude I gotta work in an hour so I need to get a nap in here, but thanks for humoring me and talking time to converse in a civilized manner, that's fucking rare to find on this website haha.
Peace out dude!

>>4286777
Say whuuuu?

North cal is basically a collective sum of what we call hick towns. Shasta? nigga please

I will admit that mendocino county is the only saving grace of norcal

>>4286794

Tahoe, Humboldt, Chico, Fort Bragg, Mendocino, all very cool places.

>>4286803

and yah fort bragg is in mendocino. It counts twice though cause its tight.

Because God is dead.
Satan is all that there is.
That is why we regularly sacrifice virgins to him, to receive his power and blessings

>>4288337
similar things are actually the same things, gotcha

>>4288370