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Resource scarcity? My ass. Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Sat Jan 7 20:22:36 2012 No.4229396 [Reply] [Original]

I see a lot of talk about resource scarcity and apprehension about whether or not our modern technological society will be able to carry on much longer.

Ha sit somehow escaped these peoples' notice that we have an entire second Earth worth of resources on our doorstep? A landmass larger than all continents combined, brimming with oil, precious metals and edible biomass? Preindustrial densities of gold, copper, zinc, silver, lithium, magnesium, platinum and rare earths in deposits untouched by mining companies until now. Vast oil deposits too deep for rigs, now being pursued with submersible seafloor oil rigs built by petrobarras of Brazil. An ideal location for submerged nuclear power plants like those built by Flexblue of France. An endless range for seafloor fish farms like those built by Kona Blue.

Oceanic resources will sustain our society for centuries to come, ample time in which to colonize the moon and Mars, given that today we already see private companies building space stations and rockets.

We must someday leave this world. The wealth of the ocean will make it possible. And that's to say nothing of Antarctica.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 20:29:24 2012 No.4229414 File: 51 KB, 396x385, 131951335186.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw I imagine the feel of living in a future where the entire ocean is explored and no mysteries are left

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 20:30:31 2012 No.4229417 Spending all day playing ocean minecraft with a robot for real monies. Sweet!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 20:32:47 2012 No.4229422 >>4229396 silly OP, seafloors are no place for nuclear power plants. that's just retarded.

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Anonymous Sat Jan 7 20:38:36 2012 No.4229433

Get back to me when you get a way to get these alleged resources in a manner that isn't unfeasibly expensive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that resource scarcity also involved the difficulty of getting a given resouce, not just the availability of it.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Sat Jan 7 20:44:07 2012 No.4229445
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>>4229422

When Fukushima melted down, they doused it in seawater. Why do you think they did that? And why did the explosions occur? The huge pressure differential, right? Well, what if you could put a reactor someplace where the outside pressure is identical to the inside pressure and it's immersed in coolant? Pic related.

>>4229433

The ore is much higher grade. That's what makes extracting it cost competitive. This is not hypothetical, deepsea mining is being done in New Guinea by Nautilus Minerals as we speak.

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Nuggeteer !!7uCxtRXzmEj Sat Jan 7 20:44:16 2012 No.4229446
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I agree with the fact we should tap into the resources, explore, and colonize the ocean... But..

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 20:46:31 2012 No.4229454 File: 132 KB, 484x484, alienssquare.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] wat if aliens live down there

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Sat Jan 7 20:53:12 2012 No.4229475
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>>4229446

Could you be more specific? Space itself is effectively empty. If you mean a specific planet or moon, which one? Moon and Mars are barren, boring deserts. They have have nothing that compares to the diversity of life and geology in the various levels of the ocean (pic related). The most interesting locations in the solar system and most promising places to look for life are ocean moons like Europa, Titan and Encleadus. Even in space, ocean sare where the good stuff is.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Sat Jan 7 20:56:43 2012 No.4229484
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For reference, this is what you are saying is cooler and more interesting than the deep sea. I guess maybe, if you're really into red rocks or something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 21:00:07 2012 No.4229488 Oh boy, sensationalism rears its ugly head yet again. Stick to hyping up the ocean, MS, you don't know shit about space.

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Anonymous Sat Jan 7 21:01:07 2012 No.4229491
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>>4229484

Oh no way nigger you did NOT just talk shit about Mars nigger do you even know what you are saying Carl Sagan's dream was to go to Mars not some shitty gay ocean you do NOT come on here and shit on Carl's dream bro that is just not something you can do

Yes I extremely fuckin mad

>>	mothergoose !!NmpGCTzNoKd Sat Jan 7 21:01:07 2012 No.4229492 >>4229484 no faggot, he said space. Not just a single planet. I think black holes, supernovas, neutron stars, gamma ray bursts and tons of other shit is more interesting then the sea.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 21:06:47 2012 No.4229505 >>4229491 MS stop samefagging, poisoning the well is pathetic, homeslice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 21:06:47 2012 No.4229507 >>4229484 homo

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Anonymous Sat Jan 7 21:10:11 2012 No.4229520
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>build a conshelf base near a nugget field
>also near a geologically active area
>collect nuggets by telepresence
>refine with power from the geothermal plants
>construct excess materials into crude pressure tanks
>fill with hydrogen
>float to the surface
>sell materials and hydrogen
>expand base
>rinse & repeat

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 21:11:27 2012 No.4229524 >submerged nuclear power plants That's a global catastrophe waiting to happen. also how exactly do you get heavy metals from below the sea bed up to the surface?

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Sat Jan 7 21:11:27 2012 No.4229525
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>>4229488

Has the recent transition to commercial LEO launches broken your heart and made you believe we will never set foot on Mars? There are such things as speed bumps, setbacks that are devastating but eventually overcome. The oil crisis in the 1970s had many convinced that civilized society would collapse by the year 2,000. Take a longer view than that. The proper reaction to disappointment is not cynicism, but the realization that you expected too much, too soon. All things in good time, the progress is being made right under our noses. The splash tests of the new Orion capsule, the SpaceX mission to dock with the ISS, testing the VASIMR in space, real deepsea mining at long last, the X Prize race to inner space, the deal to add a Bigelow inflatable module to the ISS, and of course the budding Chinese space program.

These are all really happening. You were disappointed and became a bitter cynic. Open your heart and dream again, but this time constrained by fact. Be excited not by scifi fantasy but by real projects going on in the world.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 21:13:35 2012 No.4229531 Things that are potentially cool but ruined by a shitty fanbase: 1) Mass Effect 2) Team Fortress 2 3) Bill Hicks and now 4) The bottom of the sea

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Sat Jan 7 21:17:07 2012 No.4229544

>>4229524

How could a disaster happen? No pressure differential, suspended by cables that prevent seaquakes from transferring shock to the hull, surrounded by coolant, water blocks/contains radiation, and a pressure vessel 300 feet down is vastly less accessible to terrorists than a power plant on land. It may not seem like a good idea to you, but it is, or it wouldn't have gotten this far.

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Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Sat Jan 7 21:20:24 2012 No.4229554
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>>4229524

This is how the metals are retrieved btw.

>>4229531

That's very hurtful. What have I done to aggravate you? It certainly wasn't intentional. If there's something I did wrong but am not aware of, I am willing to hear your complaints and apologize as warranted.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 21:21:31 2012 No.4229558 >>4229445 > And why did the explosions occur? The huge pressure differential, right? no nothing to do with that, heat water to huge temperatures and it breaks down, thus hydrogen explosions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 21:21:39 2012 No.4229559 >>4229554 >, I am willing to hear your complaints and apologize as warranted. Wrong approach bro, you should just tell him to eat shit. Remember where we are.