/sci/ - Science & Math

NASA is your back up plan?

>>4226437
No, NASA is something I would like to do if I had the chance. My back up plan, so to speak, is working for a company that gives me a job relevant to my major. As long as it is interesting work it doesn't matter to me. A long term job that would be a goal for me is working for the government or for a university doing research or building stuff. Doing the research I'm interested in I would have to be a professor though.

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>CS/CE
you're crazy if you think you will EVER be employed with a BSc/BS in either of those, it won't contribute to a physics PhD, either. if you are looking at research/applied fields in physics, you'd be better off with a double major in physics/EE. if you're looking at the theoretical side of physics (research, teaching, quaternary/quinary sector science, etc) - a math/physics double major is your best bet. good luck.

>>4226485
Why is it so challenging for CS majors to get jobs?

Outsourcing or some shit?

>CE
faggot gay engineer detected

>>4226493
lol yeah cause "computer science" is actually science...

>>4226491
the only real options with cs/ce fields are networking and software related. it will not contribute at all to your ability to be employed as a physicist, it may degrade it. you will do plenty of work (depending on your university) with matlab/c++ in computational physics courses. if your bad at programming, get better at it.

>outsourcing
to a degree, yes. the real problem with cs lies in its growing popularity, and the belief that a flat out cs major equates to work with computers. it is totally theoretical come graduate level, and the job market is remarkably limited.

>>4226433

> interested in Physics
>I would like to get a job in either research or working on inventions

Sorry, its the chemists and the engineers that do the cool, applied shit.

>>4226515
>implying chemists do anything applied
>implying engineers do anything besides factory work and building bridges

>>4226485
>you're crazy if you think you will EVER be employed with a BSc/BS in either of those, it won't contribute to a physics PhD, either. if you are looking at research/applied fields in physics, you'd be better off with a double major in physics/EE. if you're looking at the theoretical side of physics (research, teaching, quaternary/quinary sector science, etc) - a math/physics double major is your best bet. good luck.

I agree with this, for the most part. Though, a math and physics double major is excellent preparation for graduate study in any area of physics (from biophysics to theoretical).

tl;dr: BS mathematics and physics --> PhD (applied or theoretical) physics

>>4226485
Really? I've had an interest in quantum computation and I figured that computer engineering would help that. How employable is a bachelors in physics? What kind of jobs does it have available?

I've heard /sci/ moaning about CS/CE for some time now, but nobody has came right out and explained what the problem was. Why is it so unemployable?

>>4226525
>BS mathematics and physics --> PhD (applied or theoretical) physics
this. math > cs

>>4226524

>Somebodies never heard of the products we create so that the electrical engineers can claim all the glory.

>>4226527
> How employable is a bachelors in physics?
>What kind of jobs does it have available?
0%, none. you will do nothing. if you want, teach at a high school. you just stated that you're aiming for a PhD, you should focus purely on that. research and internships are your best bet.

>had an interest in quantum computation and I figured that computer engineering would help that.
computer engineering is purely hardware related. that will not benefit whatsoever. you are way better off with a BS in mathematics.

>I've heard /sci/ moaning about CS/CE for some time now, but nobody has came right out and explained what the problem was. Why is it so unemployable?
no job market - it's a simple as that. there isn't any 'research' in the TCS field. you can either do software analysis, teaching, programming, or networking/IT. that's it.

>>4226533
>implying you create projects
>implying you don't just work as electricians
>implying you go into the R&D fields
>implying you aren't a homosexual

>>4226544
I would like to get a job in between either my bachelors and masters or masters and PhD so I can start paying off my student loans. Would that at least be feasible?

>>4226528

math is useless. CS teaches you math with the applied concepts. you can derive all math from CS kids

>>4226570
Really? Harmonic forms, diffeomorphisms, fiber bundles, lie groups, van Kampen's theorem, and index theorems? Wow! You guys are amazing! You should just get a math BS handed to you at 4th year!

bumping for the person who saged.

>>4226565
internships and giving out 1st year lectures are usually your best opportunities. some universities, if you're deemed 'worthy' enough, will literally pay for a large percentile of your tuition if you agree to teach for them after graduation.

>>4226570
>math is useless. CS teaches you math with the applied concepts. you can derive all math from CS kids

Bullshit.

I'm reading "Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman" and I am to the point where he becomes a professor. Is it really as laid back as he says it is? Do you literally just get to do whatever you want around campus when you aren't teaching or working? The stuff Feynman did is what I would like to do, i.e., working on something like the Manhattan Project, and then living the rest of life laid back teaching, traveling around with other professors and doing research. Is that really what the professor life is like?

>>4226570
0/10. reported for worshiping neckbeards. enjoy your ban.

>>4226618
he grossly exaggerates the easiness of his professorship. you need to spend countless hours on preparation, reviewing lecture notes, and practicing lectures if you actually give a fuck about your students (which feynman did). grading is an entirely different story, unless you have student aids. for physics, it's a bit easier in comparison to humanities courses dealing with countless papers.

he did not lecture whilst on the manhattan project from what i can recall.

>>4226634
I figured. The Manhattan Project was before he taught, it's just an example of something that I would be interested in doing.

>>4226634
>that feel when a student aid

>>4226570

you know that, haha, computer science is derived from pre-existing mathematical conceptions and stop saying false things because it makes our collective autism itch