/sci/ - Science & Math

Lol engineering difficult and requiring more brains than cs. Sure programming may be less scientific, but cs isn't all programming. Engineering is easy, it's not about difficulty though. I know some cs majors who are fully capable of performing engineering tasks. Engineering isn't science, however most problems can be solved using the scientific method

and yet the cut-off requirement for computer science in MIT beats all science disciplines and the majority of engineering disciplines.

>>4211921
I do computer science and physics. I work in computational chemistry, physics, and mathematics. Fuck off.

ITT: OP couldnt get into computer science and is a faggot.

Computer science is the most useful science for other people to learn.

Wow that's funny you bring this up op. I was thinking of changing my major from computer science to engineering or astrophysics. I don't want to just program. I also want to perform science and discover the universe and get paid for it...

>>4211955
>perform science and discover the universe
>get paid for it
pick one

computer science > engineering

>>4211962
he's right
that's the way things work

>>4211962
>>4211962
>>4211962
I meant paid modestly 50-80k

Why do you people have such a hard on for science and think engineering is easier? And don't tell me what the name of the board is. In todays world, none would exist without the other. Whether you do science or engineering, you need to be on the front line to be successful. ie. you need to "know it all", you need to keep up with recent publications in your field. From there on, the only thing that distinguishes science from engineering is what you do with that knowledge: Scientists do trial-and-error to prove/disprove something, engineers figure out how to put the pieces together into something new and useful. Fuck, I'd even say that engineering is the more difficult one.

Besides, you're all unergrads going for BSc or MSc degrees. You think you'll be doing science with that? Fuck no. You're studying science in order to be able to do engineering. You need a PhD for science, and very few of you will go for that.

Sincerely,
a software engineer

OP what do you think CS is? coding?
CS is just a specialized branch of Mathematics
How is CS unscientific? Complexity and algorithms are just a branch of math.

>>4211939
Because there are so many idiots in CS that they need to clap off the maximum.

OP is too stupid to have a valid opinion. A lot of computer scientists get a bad rep due to the fact that society is becoming computer dominated. Ie- too many bad computer scientists can find a job in this economy. The fact of the matter is, computers are the future of the world - AI most notably.

Now go build a train track or whatever the fuck you do.

>>4212017
continue posting when you have a logical though to express

>>4212012

They're jelly of our legendary in lecture orgies and out decent career.

lisp

>>4212017
>diss CS
>use incredibly flawed logic
Stupid troll or just stupid. Nothing new here.

Computer Scientists are in lots and lots of fields - finance, economics, mathematics, science, medicine, engineering, architecture, meteorology, AI, research, security, cryptography, keeping the internet alive, providing you porn to fap to after realising that CS is actually really damn useful and is increasing in popularity quickly

I would change engineering for a Physics course

>>4212312

cs undergraduate here, at first i wanted to switch to pure maths or physics, cause the maths wasn't hard enough in cs, but then i found stuff like algorithms and computer architecture more interesting, plus programming is fun

>CS is just a specialized branch of Mathematics


HHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHa, no

The fact that you can pick up a few books and learn everything an undergrad in CS knows over the course of 3 months makes it BS compared to math/engineering/physics

Truth.

>>4212562
>posting a troll with a sage

Oh you

>>4212521

You're full of shit.

Chemfag here but hobbyist programmer looking to go into comp/theoretical chem.

You do not know everything a comp major knows. You don't know a tenth of what a comp major knows relevant to computer science. You're another pretentious self-important dick sucking physicist and you're over-compensating because your degree is a very specialised area of applied mathematics and nothing more. The greatest physicists always have and always will be mathematicians. Because you are just applied mathematicians.

Inb4 "hurr you guize need qm". 1) I know more QM than you, 2) without computer science, engineering and chemistry, no one would want you. You are nothing but our whore, gifted to use for titty by the mathematicians.

On your knees, physicist.

>>4212584
You seem upset ;)

>>4212584

*for titty slapping

Scientists discover that which already exists, engineers create that which does not.

Therefore:
scientist = inferior creature
engineer = god

>>4211921
trolls trolling, ill bite tho

physics/bio double major undergrad fag here
working with a few physics grad students working on their phds
they tell me that programming is vitally invaluable to any physics related projects because what good is data if you can't analyze it?
realize that those 4 years i took of java in highschool will save my ass
:D

>thinking code monkeys are above engineers

Oh /sci/.

>>4212741
>java

>>4211921
Or it's just for people who would rather study computers than astronomy, engineering, chemistry, biology, or physics.

CS is boring as shit, and making career in a field where you need to learn new shit everyday to stay competitive isn't the best idea.

Nevertheless, it's very useful in life compared to 'real' sciences. Never would want to do it myself, tho.

also, engineering easy? Uh, sure...

>>4212828
>where you need to learn new shit everyday to stay competitive
implying this doesn't apply to every field

>>4212833
Not to the same degree, no. If you are, for example, naval engineer, then most 'core' principles change only on some major breaktroughs (which happen rarely), or never.

Standards in CS change every few years.

>>4212839
no, you're just a faddish faggot that buys marketing bullshit from Oracle and Microsoft

>>4212811
lolno.
Any particular thing you enjoy about CS is studied more in-depth in another field.
And saying you enjoy everything about CS makes you either a freshman or a moron dropout.

>>4212846
Do tell.

>>4212894

First realize that most of CS is just math with computers. Most of the rest is just babby versions of electrical and computer engineering courses. Actually now that I think about it, I can't think of a topic that is covered in CS that isn't also covered in other fields.

We're not trying to say CS is useless; it's actually quite a good compilation of useful courses. Just if you want to go for a PhD and do research in a topic you covered in CS, you're better off not going into a CS program.

>>4212846
Well I don't study CS in college because I'm not in college.

I study cryptography on my own. So let's see another field that goes into MORE depth on cryptography than cryptography.

>engineering
>gay sex

>>4211921
>implying I give a shit since I'll be making a fuckload of money

I don't think it's fair to be this sour towards CS, but I certainly think it can be really, really annoying to study if programming's not your cup of tea. I'm a Math major interested in theoretical computer science; a senior at my school has done a bit of undergrad research in that field, and I think it's awesome. That said, it's considerably more about math than computer science - to quote her, "I love computer science, so long as I never have to touch a computer." I love the mathy side of CS, but I would nevereverever want to major in it...at my school, that entails far too many hours staring at a monitor doing arduous programming projects that, though they certainly teach you how to code, will not help at all in the field I'm interested in.

Also it's very easy to start thinking that programming = CS, which is so obviously not true we don't even need to go into it. Programming IS, of course, way easier than science and/or engineering, and learning how to program is a big part of some school's CS programs (the less-than-good ones that are just bastardized Software Eng. degrees with no good theoretical backing), but the whole discipline can't be judged on that fact alone.

Sociology is for people too stupid for psychology.

cs isn't a science, and only partly about computers.

>>4212020
except the whole AI solutions costing absurd amounts of money to pay for the people. I'd give it at least another 100 years before real progress

>>4212510
he's right, though. cs is an applied math

>>4212521
This is partly due to many cs prgorams being underdeveloped with a major focus on software engineering. It's still a relatively new field.

>>4212828
One of the few valid opinions here. However, even though the field is constantly making progress, real world solutions often stick to existing technologies that work due to costs, so it's unlikely you will be unable to find work.

>>4212901
This is mostly correct, because cs has many branching applications. However, much of AI is strictly taught in cs, and the parts that are also taught elsewhere is more the other studies learning bits of cs. Machine Learning is a good example field.

>>4212942
which parts of computer science are you interested in? I might be able to get you some reading material

>>4212995
Luckily, there's a prof at my uni whose area of interest is Kolmogorov complexity, so I've gotten to learn a fair bit about complexity theory. I'm also interested in automata theory. Thank you in advance for anything you're able to provide :)

>>4213015
http://infolab.stanford.edu/~ullman/ialc.html
has a bunch of course notes/slides. projects have programming, but you can read to see how some stuff is applied.

http://www.cs.uky.edu/~lewis/texts/theory/title.pdf
A good free introductory textbook (had to look through a research paper citation to find this again)

Specific research papers can be found through google scholar, or if you have a decent library, the ACM volumes. UT has a large online library as well, so you may have one as well.

http://www.cs.duke.edu/csed/jflap/tutorial/
JFLAP is a small java program to help visualize some stuff. Not necessary, just for fun.

>>4213015
the limits of mathematics --- chaitin, free on the interbutts