/sci/ - Science & Math

>>4207508
>doesn't know what the "Higgs Field" even means
>calls it bullshit

When you actually know the standard model, and QTF, then you get to fucking speak. Until then you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

>>4207508
>Trying to do advanced physics
>Doesn't understand basic physics

>>4207508
>middle schooler can't fathom Electroweak unification
>decides to post about it

LMFAO

>>4207508
>doesn't know basic physics ideas
>expects /sci/ to explain Phd physics to him
>actually thinks he is capable of understanding it

>>4207508
You have no idea what you are even trying to talk about.
Your opinion is worth shit. Please delete this thread.

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>>4207524
samefag, but still funny
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>>4207508
The answers to the questions you seek, require you know alot of shit to begin with.

How old are you? How much physics do you know?
How about you delete this shit thread and make a new one, just asking people to please explain basic physics concepts to you. That would be better for you.

>>4207518
I'm completely aware of what the 'Higgs Field' is, are you? I've taken remedial undergrad courses on QFT.

>>4207524
>doesn't understand basic physics
You consider the electroweak lagrangian 'basic'? Hah.

>>4207527
>middleschooler
Lol.
>can't fathom Electroweak unification
I specifically commented:
>Obviously, there's some sort of mechanism (or combination thereof) that provides particles with mass and unifies the weak force with electromagnetism
Note the keyword:
>Obviously
Are you able to read?

>>4207535
The Higgs field was proposed as a literal brute force tactic of the inclusion of masses into the wave equation of the W and Z vector quanta destroying the underlying lie group gauge symmetry. Mainstream physicists loved it as it allowed a convenient method of renormalization, which gave rise to accurate predictions of the W/Z masses before experimentally measured. There's countless other models that make these predictions (formulated later) without the use of scalar fields. I fail to comprehend your reasoning behind the belief that they are anyhow not good or acceptable candidates as we have had <span class="math">not~a~single~hint[/spoiler] of experimental evidence suggesting towards the Higgs field since the '80s. What is your problem?

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>>4207550
are you one of those first semester physics students who just wrapped up analytical mechanics? fuck off.

>>4207508
Have you studied QFT?

if not, then plz go.

And there are other models, string theory is one famous one, though no doubt you'd find that even more absurd

>mfw normalfags try to understand theoretical physics

>>4207568
Have you? If so, I'd love to know how you managed to get into grad school with such immaturity.

>>4207572
>mature
>on 4chan

think before you speak

>>4207579
This is supposedly a "science and math" board. The global rules dictate against trolling, flaming, spamming, macros, and low quality posts. There's a putnam qod pinned on the front page. I was expecting at least partial politeness and rational conversation henceforth, but that apparently is not the case.

> rules dictate against trolling, flaming, spamming, macros, and low quality posts
> mfw /sci is nothing but trolling, flaming, spamming, macros, and low quality posts

>>4207568
How does String Theory argue against the Higgs Mechanism? It actively supports it. It was shaped around it, for the most part. What the hell are you babbling about?

>>4207589

Congratulations. You have just learned that this is a board for science fans, not scientists. Scientific discussion is far from the norm here.

can't we just admit that energy itself creates mass, as einstein stipulates, and that all particles are just bound energy through gravity - as intense energy itself propensates its own gravity.

then we still have to explain the mechanism of gravity, but we don't understand gravity anyways so we're still at ground zero.

socratic method. Instead of putzing around things you don't know as fact through stipulation, admit you don't know anything.

>>4207508
OP, you are in the wrong place. Nobody on this board are going to be able to help you. Whenever anybody asks a legit non-elementary physics question on this board, it gets shot down incredibly fast, most of the time accompanied by phrases such as "you wouldn't understand anyway" to conceal ignorance.

I wish you the best of luck on another board or forum that isn't filled to the brim with self-righteous retards.

>>4207594
But, I'm not a scientist, either. I won't have my BS for another six months.

>>4207599
Alright, thank you.

I admit to knowing little to nothing about the Higgs Boson/field. I'm a senior in high school, and I've just read "The Fabric of the Cosmos" by Brian Greene. Could someone explain this shit to me? I understand there needs to be something that gives particles mass, but I agree with OP, it's reminiscent of the aether that vitiated theoretical physics prior to experimental evidence determining it didn't exist. It just seems so damn haphazard.

Inb4 I can't understand it. State the facts and I'll make that call.

I understand many of you, as stated in the aforementioned post, are butthurt antisocial aspies who never got girlfriends. That's fine; don't take it out on me or OP. I'm not a fucking physicist. I intend to become one, but for now, I need your help.

Thank you.

And thank you OP.

>>4207640
>that feel when no gf

>>4207650
that feel when reported enjoy your ban