/sci/ - Science & Math

tl;dr

explain yourself OP or take it to /x/

no sage, b/c it's christmas

if we dont blow up infrastructure robots will takeover and kill us!

The second link looks pretty bollocks.
It claims to show 'fractal wave graphs based on e e-ching' (ancient religious book).
The graphs converge on zero at the year 2000.
This predicts some event, but as it is willfully unclear what the graphs axis actually show, and we are still here, I think we can presume it's nothing important.

If you want to look at pretty graphs with apocalyptic trends, google 'climate change'.

What?
Superintelligence.
Meaning GREATER intelligence.
If a GREATER intelligence thinks killing humans is necessary, then it's right - or at least more right about it than a lesser intelligence's disapproval.

Though I doubt a super-intelligence would stoop so low as to go "lol derp kill everything, lol I win".

Seriously, this teenage, movie-fueled attitude towards AI is so airheaded. Someone I know is deathly afraid of this subject, says shit like "If I ever see a sentient robot walking around I'll kill it on sight." Makes me wanna kick his teeth in.

sorry posted an old link

http://www.fractal-timewave.com/

>>4189240
"The AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made out of atoms which it can use for something else." (Eliezer Yudkowsky)

Tiplerist Religious Technobabble

Guys. Does every person have to deal with this? No. Do I have to deal with this? Of course. You'd think I'd have better things to do and more important things to worry about. Every single day it's one thing after another. But do the world leaders see it? No. Do they get in trouble? No.

http://team.forsvarsmakten.se/english/#/private/sci

GET IN HERE

>>4189178
For this I'm missing a date?

Seriously, the "technological singularity" isn't going to be some massive event.

Symbolic maybe, but not massive.

http://timewave.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/terrence-mckenna-timewave-zero-2012/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tcigdvlM4E
No Transhumanism Allowed

Its gonna happen, guise.

What would even be the sensible thing to do if someone were to develop some sort smarter than human AI? Assuming both the AI and humans involved are not hostile you would still have the issue that if you did it once it's likely someone else will create something similar and it will spread until it inevitably falls into the wrong hands.

Would you have to task the newly created AI with improving itself and somehow winning an inevitable AI arms race?

>>4189908
These are the voyages of the Starship /sci/.
It's continuing mission to seek out new life and new civilizations.

To boldly assimilate what no one has assimilated before!

We need to overcome the electronic armagedon!

Dont accept defeat!

>>4189912
someone explain this to me

>mfw we were always going to be a transitional species

I for one welcome our homo-superior overlords.

>>4190534
One tool to build small stuff, lots tools combined to build bigger stuff, even more tools just so we can live our lives and then the tools don't even need us anymore.

>>4190573
>implying we aren't the tools

>>4190595
A matter of perspective really.

>>4190607
No it isn't without our tools we wouldn't be human.

>>4190620
and if the tools become more advanced than us we die

>>4190681
Why stay so primitive?
We can rebuild ourselves. We have the technology. We can make ourselves better than we were. Better...stronger...faster.

>>4190741
And for less than ten thousand bucks!

We're living in push button society, technology is making people soft making our bodies weak!
the only sane solution is to BLOW IT UP!

this is also relevent to our intrests
http://www.cracked.com/article_16583_the-5-scientific-experiments-most-likely-to-end-world.html
we might need to kill some scientists

BUMP

>>4191528
>>4191278
And then you doom the species to slow degeneration and a fiery death from any number of global catastrophes.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

>>4189224

Dude, we'll be transhuman beings. Robots ain't got shit.

>>4189227
At least look into it before dismissing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoo44E2UYvA

>>4193917
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>>4194023
I'm sure it won't be over quite /yet/. Evolution is indeed exponential, and only over the past couple hundred years or so has its curve become apparent. I'm willing to bet that the knee of the curve, where its slope becomes larger than 1, will fall upon the date of December 21st, 2012. The most plausible possibility is the advent of an AI--the Internet is already shaped like a neural network, and IBM is currently working on SyNAPSE, a project to create a chip modeled around the structure of the human brain.

Natural selection will indeed take place--but not between man and machine. But between those that wish to evolve and those that do not. Between those that wish to augment, transform, and merge themselves into beings capable of comprehending and processing data leagues beyond what the organic brain can, and those that wish to retain their "individuality." There is no individuality. There is no consciousness. All that we are are complex deterministic machines, the result of physical, chemical, atomic, and quantum reactions, among other things. Our choices are the result of causality, nothing more, nothing less. The ones that don't understand this will be restructured. The ones that do will be incorporated.

>>4194104

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PIc related

>>4194219
What are we, but structures building greater structures?

>>4195571
I wish I was as dense as you.

Seriously, the world isn't so fucking black and white why can't you insipid motherfuckers see that.

>>4195600
Do you believe in free will?

>>4195630
Ugh, please take your fucking philosophy out of the science board.

What could you POSSIBLY tell me that I have not heard before? That if there were are god there is no free will, that if our actions are determined by chemical and electrical reactions through our bodies there is no such thing as free will and the conscious mind is just a mirage?

Just fuck yourself already.

>hahatimeforpillsEK.why

>>4195643

He could how you this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKLAbWFCh1E

But maybe you're just too smart to consider alternative views. What could you POSSIBLY learn?

Of all the boards on this website, you'd think the stupidest people would be on any of them BUT /sci/.

>>4195643
Everything points toward it, bro.

>>4195665
>>4195675
Firstly, thanks for the lecture. I always appreciate a good lecture.

Secondly, while I am watching this (there is no way this thread will be alive in an hour) I'd like to ask you, what do you gain upon changing your understanding of free will? Have you come upon any tangible changes in the way that you see your life play out?

Or better, what do you believe?

If you'd like to keep discussing this just leave your email. I won't spam you, promise.

>>4195724

It does cause internal changes. How could I know what tangible changes owe themselves to the internal changes? It's very subtle. I have caught myself thinking before about this, asking whether all my philosophical knowledge REALLY effects my life. Ultimately, it's too hard to quantify in the end.

And I can't even begin to determine what I believe. If I were forced to name one belief, I would say I believe in human limits. The ability to grasp an accurate perspective of them is important to me.

I guess we could exchange emails but I really don't think this thread will die so soon. Am I wrong?

>>4195742
Effects? Come on man.

Ignoring my own rudeness, let's talk about this. First, you seem to make a difference of internal and external changes. As in, if there are internal, then you are assuming there are external changes. Now, if that is the case, what do you see as an example of each? And what prevents you from assuming that there are no such thing as outer/inner changes but just changes?

See where I am getting at? In super short and laymen, and ignorant and what have you, philosophy seems decadent to me, and has nearly finished it's existence. But go ahead and refute me, honestly, I want to prove myself wrong (as should all of us).

>>4195724
The guy that sent you the lecture wasn't me, the guy you were talking to. He being >>4195742 as well, I think. I'd like to thank him for that lecture as well.
I'm the other guy that was dismissed as going full retard by the OP.

My belief, in essence, is that the Universe wishes to become sentient, and at present, we are the Universe experiencing itself subjectively. Crazy, I know, but if you consider that everything ultimately comes down to structure, any and all matter should be able to be shaped or manipulated into some sort of consciousness.

As for my lifestyle, I am now unable to truly hate or love anyone. I see things not as right or wrong, but as things that further progress and things that inhibit it. And lately I've been trying to self-educate as much as possible.

Of course, I'm not denying the possibility that everything I say and believe could be wrong.

>>4195665
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>>4195761

I stand by my use of the word!

Internal change as in perspective. The way I think about things. This ultimately causes changes in my actions. As an example, I read The Stranger (Camus), which changed my thoughts on happiness. This caused me to appreciate my immediate state of being in a new light. What actions did this generate? That's the hard part to answer; probably more inaction than action in that the actions I used to take in pursuit of my former expectations ceased.

Did this all lead to a big life changing decision? No; however, I'm having a hard time thinking of any OTHER one factor I can recall has lead to any such decision.

I hope that's all clear enough. Also, I don't fully understand how you're differentiating between internal/external changes and simply changes.

>>4195791
I've come to see right and wrong as things that benefit the whole, and things that benefit part; That the whole system of right and wrong is simply to cull those that would, in a traditional game of the prisonners dilemma, choose to defect so that society is left with the "hyper-logical" group that would choose to co-operate, the ones that would mutually choose to not defect knowing that if everyone was a logical fuker, everyone would be worse off.I also now see the accretion of knowledge and the enjoyment of the human condition as my existence goals.

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>>4197212
>15 hours

not bad

>>4197215
>Faggot.JPG

DICKS EVERYWHERE

>thread not about religion
sage

BUMPing with 2012 rap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-rxe9Ayb8c

>>4198813
Why do people make a rap video, although they can't rap?

furthermore:
>"Anonymous"
>guy fawkes masks