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>>4178746

digital physics general?

did you reall yneed to greentext this shit. fuck, not even going to read now.

>>4178746
>shit a brick when I think about the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and realize that state and location can't be measured at the same time because there isn't enough information space to describe both

Heisenberg's uncertainty principle has nothing to do with your problem.

>>4181377
it's analogous.

>>4181377

You're fucking stupid.

OP, was making a point about physics being described by information theory. The Heisenberg Uncertainty principle doesn't allow for measuring both position and momentum and he seems to think this can be explained by the idea that the information required to convey the data can't fit into the measurement channel.

>>4181377
it is just funny coincidence, and that is why op pointed it out

>>4181417
The problem is that it isn't funny; it is just pretentious. Furthermore it leads to shit like this...

>>4181412
fullretard.jpg

>>4181402
Why? Because the jargon sounds similar? It's about as analogous as someone thinking pig's anuses looking eliptical and then suddenly shitting a brick when they remember the term lattice rectum.

>>4181434
You sound like a very happy person who isn't pretentious at all. Please have a nice day, but have it somewhere else.

>>4178746
>Know I can't implement a simple array like in higher level languages because I'm using assembly

>he can't figure out how to make arrays in assembly
>he doesn't realize an array in higher languages is just sequence of data in memory accessed by i * size_of_each_slot

>>4181434
You come off as a pretentious ass. Scientific discovery happens with weird coincidences. Think about finding the volume of an irregular object. Archimedes thought it was funny coincidence that his bathtub overflowed when he sat in it.

>>4181443
>not reading OPs entire post
>wanting to chime in to make OP feel like he's a little more dumb than you are, thus making you feel good.

Way to go, friend. You showed him.

>>4181445
Scientific discoveries do not occur as a result of the bastardization of Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle by a retarded CS student who doesn't understand assembly language.

>Archimedes thought it was funny coincidence that his bathtub overflowed when he sat in it.

Then he is an idiot for not immediately recognizing that he displaced the water. Furthermore the whole story of him using displacement to measure the volume and ergo the density of the crown is a lie. He used the buoyancy and a scale.

>>4181453

>Pic
AVR master race.

I thought about it for a bit, and OP is a retard.

>>4181468
oh boy here we go...

>>4181443

OP here, I understand what an array is the point was in assembly it's not just SOMEVARIBLE(array dimensions)

And at any rate I implemented a memory addressing system so your points invalid.

>>4181434


>The problem is that it isn't funny;

I find it interesting. Don't like it? Deal with it

>it is just pretentious

How in the hell do you get pretension from my post!!!!???

It's been my experience that when someone is quick to male accusation of pretension with little provocation that the person tends to be more than a little intellectually insecure. I;m not saying that's what's going on here, but........

>>4181459
I bet you believe the theory of relativity is wrong because faster than light particles were discovered.

>Why? Because the jargon sounds similar?

Actually there's a whole school of thought physics that makes the comparison.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_physics

You're just an ass.

>>4181505
Once again. This has nothing to do with OP's problem. Similar words are involved and that is where the story ends. The only way one could see non-trivial connections between these things is by not understanding them.

Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle has nothing to do with an inability to represent information. It has to do with an inability to measure information about a particle without interfering with it.

>pretentious
>pretension
you are a retard, OP

>>4181519
So what if he was wrong? You guys are making it seem like he should be condemned to death for even thinking such a thing. Right or wrong, the thrill of discovery is what drives science.

>>4181519

>nothing to do with an inability to represent information.

>It has to do with an inability to measure information about a particle without interfering with it.

You can make these measurements using two quantum entanglement and classical methods which can viewed as increasing available data channels thus allowing both pieces of information through.

Next you'll be saying you can draw no comparisons between information theory and entropy, right?

>>4181522

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pretension

>>4181519

Actually you are missing the point by a fair margin. The uncertainty principle comes to do representing a Hilbert space through either

1) a basis of eigenvectors of the position operator
or
2) a basis of eigenvectors of the momentum operator

The overlap between these eigenspaces is empty, and you can fairly accurately describe this as being not enough information space to describe both.

Forget the story about measurements disturbing the position - that isn't even remotely what is really happening, and it's nothing more than a just-so story to let laymen feel like they understand the situation.

>>4181529
>Right or wrong, the thrill of discovery is what drives science.
Yes, and if he was wrong about something that wasn't well understood I would've let him be. Unfortunately for his ego, he was wrong about something that has been known for decades so I pointed out how he was applying it to a situation to which it is not relevant and I was immediately pounced upon.

>Heisenberg's uncertainty principle has nothing to do with your problem.

>>4181417
>>4181412
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>>4181543


>Heisenberg's uncertainty principle has nothing to do with your problem.

None of those were OP(me), but simply repeating something over again doesn't mean you're becoming more correct.

>>4181543

>Unfortunately for his ego

It seems it's your ego at stake here not his. You actually don't seemed very qualified to make any judgment about correctness either considering three post have made counter points which you refuse to address.

ah snap nerd fight

>>4181543
Im not going to weigh in on the issue at hand here. What i would like to say is, you sound like a person who is unbearable to be around. Any person with properly functionning social skills would see that OP's anecdote doesnt lose its charm or appeal if his Heisenberg's principle is irrelevant to his problem.

I know this gets thrown around a lot but do you have an autism spectrum disorder or are you poorly socialized? If not are you normally seen as someone with no sense of humor or wit?

Just all around you do not seem like the type of person someone would be able to have an enjoyable discussion or conversation with.

>>4181573

lol wow are you high lol

someone is tryn to give you tips and trick and you can shit a brick hardly lol

>>4181542

[citation needed]

>>4181581
Giving tips:

"Hey, i noticed that you're doing X this way, but if you do it /that/ way, you'll see better results."

Being a pretentious dick:

"Hey, that's not the way /I/ do it! I'm clearly better than you! (or) Wow, you're really dumb for doing it that way!"

>>4181582

Almost any textbook on quantum mechanics. If you're familiar with bra-ket notation, you'll know what I'm talking about. I'm a math PhD student so I'm going by memories of honours, but that's pretty much how it was. The uncertainly principle is locked up in the very nature of the Hilbert space which describes the quantum system, and the operators which allow us to extract information, or alternatively give that information meaning. Probes bumping into stuff is not the issue at all.

Well, I thought it was funny OP.