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Yea, I wake up and find that this great man is dead. Feels bad. What a great way to start the day.

memento mori

Sad day.

>>4149588
Thanks for contributing that frog to this thread. Really perked up my spirits.

>>4149595

>>4149595
No problem, sadbro.

People seriously cared for this glorified attention-whore?

Still don't hate him? He became an American citizen recently. All you trendy atheists hate Americans still, right?

>>4149572
I know that feel, bro.

not /sci/ence

>>4149618
Butthurt?

>>4149625
>>4149618

>>4149618
>People seriously cared for this glorified [journalist]?
Yes.

>Still don't hate him?
Never did.

>He became an American citizen recently.
Dude that happened ages ago.

>All you trendy atheists hate Americans still, right?

Never did.

>>4149572
Is that what he drank?

>>4149642
yes

Believe me, I did NOT agree with everything Hitchens said. In fact, I wouldn't even call myself an atheist. But this guy was incredibly intelligent. If you want to know how to conduct yourself in any kind of debate, watch Hitches on CNBC, Fox, any of the news debates. It's an amazing thing to watch.

>>4149674
wonder how smart he's feeling right about now.....

>>4149618
>attention-whore?

Because being eloquent as fuck and outspoken is the same as being an attention whore right?

>>4149681
He isn't feeling anything. He's dead.

>>4149674
>I wouldn't even call myself an atheist
Because agnosticism goes better with your ironic retro glasses.

>>4149693
Confirmed for biassed dogma.

>>4149684
>eloquent as fuck
I looked up a video for example, and he seems pretty normal in his manner of speech. Organized, but not any more than I feel any proper public speaker should be. Some parts of his speech feel a little blunt.. though effective, it lacks precision.

>>4149693
>>4149696
>implying every atheist isn't atheist for agnostic reasons
>not realizing agnosticism and atheism are incompatible

>>4149696
Whatevs, bro. You just mad, because my apatheism is even more fartsniffingly high-horsey than your agnosticism.

>>4149696
Confirmed for not being a theist.

Therefore, confirmed for being atheist.

>>4149704
lol look at this pompous dickface

Guys. How about not fighting in this thread, and honoring one of the riders the way that he deserves?

Just ignore the haters.

>>4149747
Well, he *was* a hater.

>>4149688
yeah, not so much....that's just wishful thinking...

>>4149756
So, he's not dead?

>>4149762
oh, he's dead all right

just that whole "oblivion" thing turned out to be bullshit, and he's in hell's waiting room. and the only thing worse than hell's waiting room is hell itself. where he will be soon.

>>4150098

See, this kind of thing is why no-one believes Christians when they claim to be nice people. You're sick, twisted, sadistic freaks.

>>4150198

Well, that and the fact that Christians are going apeshit and making death threats on Twitter because #GodIsNotGreat is trending

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980917773

On some level I know Christians differ doctrinally from Muslims, but behaviorally they seem to be identical.

>>4150098
And he'll see you there.

The difference is he'll be having a glass of Johnie Walker with satan while you're getting buttfucked by rape-demons.

Dear religifaggots: There is no hell, there is no satan, there are no demons or life after death. It's like you play D&D for real; you are the true morons of the world.

>>4150241

You can't blame people for being idiots, and most Christfags were brainwashed into it as children so they're even less responsible. One day, God willing, a cure will be found. Until then let us pity the religious, not hate them.

Good riddance.

I've heard it said that religion is the problem by atheists like this twat. I've heard it said that atheism is the problem by other equally uniformed religious twats.

The problem is certainty is areas where no certainty is possible. There's a difference between knowledge and belief and the sooner these pretentious fucks on both sides get that through their thick shit skulls, the better this entire planet will be.

Walking around being a sarcastic drinking and smoking atheist asshole (who isn't even a scientist in the most liberal interpretation of the word) is no different from being a pompous, Bible clutching retard.

Sorry for the emotional rant, I've just had people bringing this shit up all goddamn day. Fucking tired of it. No one gives a shit when someone who actually makes a scientific contribution dies or wins an award or something, but ideologues like this prick get all the limelight.

>>4150283

You're a spastic. If you'd read anything Hitchens' wrote, you'd know why.

>>4150283
>The problem is certainty in areas where no certainty is possible.

And what areas are those, exactly?

His atheism does not make up for being a chickenhawk piece of pig shit.

>>4150297

Why would I? Is there some new falsifiable evidence that he brings to the conversation? Has his recent studies of the physical universe yielded some new understanding of the void of a God or why I should give a shit either way?

No. It's philosophy. Which is great and all, I won't hate on that at all, but it's just more arguments in what ultimately will be an endless discussion between people who don't really know what the fuck they're talking about.

>>4150304

He wasn't some fatuous philosopher, he wrote about religion AS IT IS PRACTICED. He doesn't argue "God" doesn't exist 100% because of some spurious logical proof, he argues that JEHOVAH as he is worshiped HERE ON EARTH is a detestable psychopathic monster and that we should be grateful for the FACT he doesn't exist.

>>4150302

Thanks for the correction there.

Think I answered with:

>>4150304

>>4150313

Sounds like social science... which, ah fuck it, you know where that bucket of worms goes...

Not impressive. Just another set of 'there's no way to prove any of this' arguments in a long tradition of 'em. Nothing of value was gleaned.

>>4150326

You truly are the 99%

>>4150198
it's not nice to let people stumble ignorantly into hell; at least hitchens railed against God until his last breath, and fully deserves his eternal damnation

do you think doctors are mean when they kill cancer cells with chemo?

>>4150315
Hitchens has stated that he accepts the deist god as a possibility. Hitchens argues mostly against religion, especially the idiots like William Lane Craig whose logic is as follows: "There could possibly be a god, therefore there is a god and that god is the judeo-christian god."

Most reasonable atheists accept that the logical veracity of deism is equivalent to that of atheism. It comes down to a matter of taste. I, personally, find the idea of a deist god to be superfluous, and so I am an atheist.

>>4150222
a person has been beheaded by a religious fanatic. is it:

a. a moslem
b. a christian
c. i'm going to say b to be edgy
d. i would say a is true but i'm a pussy

>>4150332

No content, topical one-liner to you too.

Another thread ruined by agnostics.

>>4150225
oh, no, he'll never see me, not in an eternity. never. you see, he failed life's ultimate test for the age he lived in:

who is this Jesus of Nazareth?

discuss.

>>4150241
let's say you're right, for argument's sake, and let's switch positions in the afterlife.

would you rather be superior now, and in hell later?

or inferior now, and in heaven later?

>>4150350

This, seriously. Fuck off back to reddit, queers.

RIP Hitch you will be missed ;_;

>>4150344
Depends. Was the person an abortion doctor?

>>4150281
"suffer not the little children to come unto Me, for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven"

--Jesus

>>4150341

An understandable conclusion.

Fuck the afterlife, he'll be made eternal by his writings.

"If he had been given an enema, he could have been buried in a matchbox"

Goodnight you brilliant, brilliant man.

>>4150351
You're an obnoxious, trolling fuck and I hope you, by some quirk of fate, are given the knowledge that all you believed in life was a lie and die with a look of intense fearing clouding your dumb eyes.

>>4150313
nice cartoon. let's say God did as depicted

now let's say you are going to mount a rebellion against him

exactly how are you not going to be vaporized?

>>4150356

Odd how similar the militant species of atheist is to the most rabid theists...

Good thing your view is centered on reason and not emotion or som... oooooh, awkward...

>>4150362
>--Jesus
Which one?

Fuck the afterlife, he'll be made eternal by his writings.

"If Jerry Falwell had been given an enema, he could have been buried in a matchbox"

Goodnight you brilliant, brilliant man.

>>4150353

What a massive douche.

>>4150353
I tried going to Rick Warren's megachurch, and although it seemed full of nice people and good music, and a decent sermon, the Holy Spirit was not there. so i bailed.

what good is belonging to a supernatural group of people if nothing supernatural ever happens?

>>4150359
you have evidence of an abortion doctor being beheaded by either christians or moslems?

no?

just a fatuous argument to make christianity and islam morally equivalent?

yeah, thought so

I'm willing to accept that there is a significant atheist and agnostic (or even completely apathetic) population in /sci/.

But all those trolling with Jesus this and Hell that - yall niggas serious? You really expect someone to believe that you just naturally lurk the science board? Knowing your environment has got to be central to a good troll.

>>4150341
i'm breathlessly awaiting your explanation for the existence of our universe

go ahead. give the credit to gravity. i dare you.

or better yet, admit you have no idea, and therefore, your opinion on whether or not God is "superflous" is invalid, uneducated, and spurious

>>4150376
>Odd how similar the militant species of atheist is to the most rabid theists...
Yeah, not a day goes by without some militant atheist flying a plane into a building.

>>4150366
i was not given a spirit of fear, but of victory, and that victory in Christ Jesus

you, on the other hand, have thrown your lot in with the failed rebels. you want to live without christians? you want to live without God? you sure?

because that is hell; no God, no Spirit of God, just awful, awful failed rebels, in eternal torment, for something they did before you were born.

but there you are, right with them, jumping in on the losing team

smart. real smart.

>>4150397

Or the senseless murder of an entire monarch's family because the new state mandates non-belief.

Bummer. History has that line of argumentation blocked off, looks like logic may serve you better next time.

>>4150387
No, but it's not implausible, you pompous shit. There are many cases of Christians violently attacking and even murdering abortion doctors.

>>4150377
whichever one you want. you can worship the one true Jesus Christ, the Son of God, or you can settle for less; maybe mohammad or joe smith or krishna or buddha or confucious is more your speed.

of course, none of them claimed to be God, and none of them claimed to be the only way to heaven, but hey, you're a smart guy. you'll figure out how to bypass God's requirements.

>>4150409

>along with the creation of the largest fuck-up limp-dick government this side of the galaxy.

>>4150378
lulz

it will be as though he wrote everything on water

>>4150389
and yet, here we are, right where you don't expect...


NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!

>>4150409
>History has that line of argumentation blocked off
Not if some buffoon on the internet attempts to draw comparisons of theistic and atheistic militarism of *today*.

THIS THREAD.

And those that aren't are sad.

I love the chaos of it all.

>>4150411
oh, implausible

i thought we were talking about reality. silly me.

>>4150397
'cause godless men never kill anyone, amirite?

lulz

keep trying to convince the world that hitler, stalin, pol pot and the rest of the genocidal maniacs were christians

>>4150427

It doesn't work that way, little nigga.

>>4150430
>Hitler
>Not a Christian
You almost got it past me.

>>4150430

THAT'S NOT THE SAME BECAUSE OF REASONS I'M ABOUT TO MAKE UP!

>>4150443

>Hitler
>A Christian

You know cereal boxes are sometimes wrong about stuff, right?

>>4150430
Do you even remember the fucking point of our back&forth? You asked to pick a potential murderer from one of two factions, Muslims and Christians. At no point did I even attempt to make the claim that atheists never commit violent crimes, simply because atheism had no relevance to your fucking question.

Strawman harder. Looks like it's all you got.

>>4149618

Well it was about that time that I noticed this thread wasn't a memorial at all, but rather a Loch Ness Monster of a troll thread!

DAMN IT TROLL THREAD! WE WORK FOR OUR MONEY IN THE FAMILY AND WE DON'T GIVE OUR MONEY AWAY!

>>4150443
i did get it past you. hitler was not on my team but on yours. i can pull the quotes if you're too lazy to google "was hitler a christian?"

>>4150450

Don't abandon one of christianity's champions against Judaism just because he makes you guys look bad. If you reject Hitler you would have to reject most of christian history since the middle ages.

>>4150450
are biographies from aides?

>>4150450
>Hitler
>Not a Christian
I'm well and good with Stalin and Pol Pot being athiesmals, but that doesn't mean you're free to misattribute Christian genociders, champ.

>>4150457
yeah, i know; you herped and herped and herped and finally, now, you've derped

>>4150470
does anybody care about facts? lulz

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:


National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)


stay classy sci

>>4150477
oh, yeah, you guys like sauce so much

Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953

buy one at amazon.com and stop sounding retarded

you're welcome

>>4150474
13th December, 1941, midnight:


Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

As usual, the agnostic trolls in this thread are low on brains and high on fallacies. It's cute that you're always trying to play (your own, self-righteous version of) the devil's advocate, but you suck so hard at arguing any position that it always turns into a painful cringefest for everyone involved.

>>4150480
27th February, 1942, midday:


It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)


had enough?

>>4150472
Good point.

Experiment concluded.

Turns out you don't have to be a Theist or an Atheist to be a total douchebag. You just have to think you know what the fuck you're talking about. Myself included.

Some dude died that a bunch of people had boners over. Moment of non-silence, or whatever and let's move on to the next order of business:

Could a real troll smell the blood of an orthodox Christian or a Muslim if they existed? Why or why not?

>>4150397

If you want to throw death tolls that were manufactured by others in the faces of theists, the same could easily be done to you: think of the group of atheist and/or agnostic physicists who created the first atomic and hydrogen bombs, which have already taken 70,000 lives and with the proliferation of technology threaten to destroy the entire planet and bring on the extinction of all of humanity in events that cause biblical apocalypses look like lazy summer afternoons. And speaking of physics gone bad, there is always the possibility that something goes horribly wrong with the Large Hadren Collider experiment, thus destroying not just the human race but the entire universe.

I could also tell you that Stalin was an atheist, and though it's debatable whether or not his disbelief pushed him into action, I could certainly tell you that had he been a man of Jesus it would have kept him from comitting genocide. And that you are just as guilty as he and it means nothing that you're a different person because you're on the same team as him.

>>4150385

Oh, give me a break. As if death were sacred to atheists. In fact, Hitchens himself never chose to spit his own dogmatic beliefs in the faces of the deaths of others, right? He would never do such a thing. Right...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doKkOSMaTk4

>>4150478
whew, for a second there, i thought you were criticizing the christians

so glad we meet your stamp of argument approval

>>4150458
i'm gonna need tree fiddy

>>4150467
not a problem. they answer for their deeds, i answer for my deeds; they get rewarded for their deeds, i get rewarded for my deeds. i'm independent of them.

but if you think hitler is chilling in heaven after attempting to commit genocide on GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE, you've got another think comin'

>>4150481
apologist dialog from discredited sources.

thanks for that.

>>4150491

Almost shit myself when I saw this...

I gave him a dollar.

>>4150495
where was the discrediting done? i'd like to see that

lol

>mfw when people start arguing about whether or not >Hitler was an Atheist and end up arguing about how christian he was or not.

>>4150495
There is no real dispute regarding the authenticity of these notes. They are what Borrman wrote. They are published in the original German in Adolf Hitler, Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941-1944. published by Orbis Verlag, Hamburg, Approved Special Edition in 2000.

>>4150499

Everyone is retarded. We get that.

I still want a goddamn answer to my goddamn question:

Trolls - would they smell an orthodox Christian or a Muslim?

He will be missed.

>>4150500
well of course he's gonna come back, you give him a dollar! he gonna figure out you got more!

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>>4150508

Image name, image text, image. I lost my shit and coughed on my food.

Well played, indeed you clever son of a bitch.

>>4150507
if they can't smell a moslem a mile away, they don't have noses

>>4150355

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZpJ7yUPwdU

Don't worry, /sci/, he's going to a better place now.

>>4150524
no, no he's not. that's where the shitstorm started. he's in hell's waiting room, regretting the fuck out of being an asshole to God

>>4150510
>>4150508
>>4150458

The reason I come here after all these years. Thanks for the laughs.

>>4150524
>>4150531

Late trolls are late. Another thread in /b/ or /lit/ maybe if you hurry.

>>4150531
>regretting

you don't know Christopher Hitchens

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>>4150505
he wrote in German, you're words are in English. that is certainly not what Borrman wrote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table_Talk#Hitler.27s_comments_on_religion

>>4150541

You're aware that you have a massive case of Asperger's Syndrome, right?

I mean, I agree with you, but shit let the babies sulk about their dead pope or whatever in peace. Thread will die in like, what, an hour? Goddamn, bro. Doesn't your TI-89 need an update or something?

>>4150562
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Holy fucking shit, people still think Hitler was an Atheist? Much of the justification for killing Jews was Biblical.

>>4150569

I take it back. I don't think Aspies understand comedy enough to reply with the same thing. Well played, sir.

But this is your final test.

>>4150569
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>>4150579

You're biblical. Biblically late.

But seriously folks, it's been like an hour.

>>4150537
>/b/

I've only seen one Hitchens thread there since the news broke and it 404'd with under 25 replies. I clicked /b/ with the expectation of at least a dozen goodnight sweet prince threads but I kept refreshing and there were none. It's just become /spam/, /traps/, and /ponies/. It's impossible to spend more than 2-3 minutes there anymore.

>>4150583

Final test passed.

Everyone knows that those with Asperger's syndrome can't comprehend the rule of threes.

>>4150587

I know. Not sure if it changed, or my tolerance for random shit lowered with age.

Not that it was "better" before, but I had more patience to wait for a good thread I think.

>>4150584
Fair enough. I just blows my mind how often this myth is dissipated, ever after it's been disproved countless times. Christfags can still use Stalin and Mao for their logical fallacies.

>>4150537
post 16 was mine dillweed

>>4150540
glad not to, and glad to never see him again

and, btw, i'm positive he is

>>4150561
yes, because nothing has ever been translated from german to english before

sheisskopf

>>4150561
even the french apologist for hitler condemns him:

For example, Hitler argues against belief in the physical resurrection of Jesus, in favor of a spiritual one.

yup, that's a ticket to hell, right there

so, even the lying frog says hitler is not a christian

lulz

>>4150605

It doesn't matter in the end. An asshole is an asshole, regardless of what they believe or don't believe.

We shouldn't hate people because of their beliefs alone, we should hate them because they are genuine, unforgivable wastes of flesh, space, time and atmosphere - on an individualized basis. Hitler wasn't an asshole because of what he believed, he was an asshole because he killed people for absolutely no reason and lied to a nation that trusted him to lead them out of poverty. Same with Stalin.

The Pope isn't an asshole because he believed some dude died a bunch of years ago. He's an asshole because he's fine with the molestation of children and the centuries of atrocities committed by his company.

>>4150612

Actually on topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyYwo7X4zck

>>4150580
no, you were right; it was hivemind posting at its finest. guy takes it personally if every thread doesn't border on a homework thread or the latest CERN fundraising scam

>>4150605
and Hitler, tyvm

if you think hitler is in heaven, then you think Judas is in heaven; i've noticed idiots make the same mistakes over and over again

>>4150605
i'll take martin bohrmann's word over yours, regarding hitler's true thoughts, every time

you never even met the man; you just have a blind hatred towards God and His people

>>4150600

That the first page wasn't filled with Hitch threads last night speaks volumes for its ever increasing level of fail. Most cool people have probably migrated to newer boards like /sci/, /lit/, or /pol/; leaving /b/ without many interesting threads which would have otherwise been posted there, and a userbase of random noobs who just heard about it on facebook.

>>4150626
Hitler wasn't an atheist through. He was a Roman Catholic, mixed with some old-world German pagan mysticism.

Even if he wasn't (he was) how would you explain Atheists being treated like shit during his regime?

>>4150629
It is anything but blind. Unless you deny that the news is full of examples of religious stupidity, opposition to progress both technological and social and brutality. Are we not within our rights to count these against religion? If you say we are not, or ignore these incidents, aren't you the blind one?

>>4150643
okay, let me make this easy for you

who did hitler hate and want to eradicate? joos

what was Jesus Christ? a joo

still want to try to convince me that hitler was a follower of Jesus Christ?

>>4149623

4 hours later and still not /sci/ence or math

>>4150637
>cool people have probably migrated to newer boards like /sci/
>cool people migrated
>newer boards like /sci/
>cool people
>boards like /sci/
>cool
>/sci/

>>4150644
a fair assessment of christianity reveals the lie to your words; christians are responsible for such things as hospitals, hospices, abolition, etc., etc., etc.

and the "harm" that christians have done to the world? even lumping in all the catholic atrocities, what are we talking about? the witch trials? the crusades? the inquisition? manifest destiny?

combined, they do not amount to the horror of almost any dictator who pronounces himself god, like kim il jung, or a pharoah, or a caesar.

you hate christians because your spiritual father hates christians, and you hate God because your spiritual father hates God

you're on the wrong side of His story

>>4150651
You can't possible be this stupid...His foot solders were Christian, he had Vatican support, he blamed Jews for the killing of Christ, the Nazi slogan was "God With Us," and he sent certain outspoken non-believers to work camps.

You can argue that was wasn't a "good Christian" but you can't possibly call him an atheist.

>>4150652
christopher hitchens + atheism = hell

better?

>>4150661
he was not any kind of christian. you can argue that he was not a good catholic, but you seem to intentionally miss each and every distinction between christians and catholics, and keep pushing the catholic theory

christians =/= catholics =/= mormons

>>4150661
Derek Hastings sees Hitler's commitment to Christianity as more tenuous. He considers it "eminently plausible" that Hitler was a believing Catholic as late as his trial in 1924, but writes that "there is little doubt that Hitler was a staunch opponent of Christianity throughout the duration of the Third Reich."[25]

^ Hastings, Derek (2010). Catholicism and the Roots of Nazism. Oxford: Oxford University Press, p. 181.

love how much hitler there is in a hitchings thread

>>4150669
When the fuck did Catholicism stop being a subset of Christianity?

>>4150683
centuries ago; welcome to wonderland, where all the lies you've been told about christians are really of the catholic church...

>>4150675
Berlin, October 24, 1933, Hitler stated: "We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."

http://books.google.com/books?id=PxZoAAAAMAAJ


"The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of to-day"


^ Baynes, Norman H. ed. (1969). The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939. Vol. 1. New York: Howard Fertig. p. 385.

>>4150683
Stop feeding the troll.

>>4150692
Stop being a troll.

>>4150683
also, there are more references to hitler actually being demon possessed than there are of him actually being a christian

protip: christians cannot be demon possessed

and again, if you really think hitler is in heaven, after attempting to eradicate all of GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE from the face of the earth, you're deceived

can you imagine that conversation?

lulz

>>4150695
exactly. use christian terms and philosophies to hide our evil and deceive our own people. ready, break

>>4150698
stop being an asspie

oh, wait, you can't

lulz

>>4150704
Witty.

>>4150713
Asspie.

>>4150658

The banning of condoms, leading to a massive AIDS epidemics in Africa.

The rape of altar boys by supposed spiritual guardians.

The persecution and ostracisation of homosexuals.

The spread of 'spiritual healing' which promotes prayer and faith over real medicine.

Teaching hundreds of thousands of young people that (the scientifically proven) theory of evolution is wrong and instead promoting the blatant absurdity that the Earth is in fact 6000 years old.

The spread of ignorance and anti-rationalism which hinders scientific and medical process.

>>4150722
>hundreds of thousands

Scratch that.

Hundreds of millions.

RIP

hope he'll have a happy time in Heaven

>>4150722
>The banning of condoms, leading to a massive AIDS epidemics in Africa.
catholic

>The rape of altar boys by supposed spiritual guardians.
catholic

>The persecution and ostracisation of homosexuals.
God

>The spread of 'spiritual healing' which promotes prayer and faith over real medicine.
God, and it works

>Teaching hundreds of thousands of young people that (the scientifically proven) theory of evolution is wrong and instead promoting the blatant absurdity that the Earth is in fact 6000 years old.
teaching the truth is never wrong

>The spread of ignorance and anti-rationalism which hinders scientific and medical process.
i agree, let's silence the atheists and get back to our christian scientific roots, seeking to find out how God did things

>>4150735
he won't. there's more of an argument that hitler is in heaven than hitchings

wonder how close they will be to each other in line...names are pretty close

>>4150746

Way too obvious man.

1/10 because you lured me in the first place.

>>4150750
And there's an even better argument that Hitchen's consciousness is simply gone due to his brain failing.

>>4150755
well, if people cannot differentiate between christians and catholics, that's really not my problem. almost all of the problems people have with christians are either problems with catholics, or the same exact problem Jesus has with christians, namely a lack of faith, hypocrisy, and using their salvation as a license to sin.

a lot of "christians" are gonna have a rude wake up call

>>4150770

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

>>4150765
yup. now, compare the truth with the argument. which prevails? why, the truth, of course. the truth requires no argument, it is just the truth

>>4150772
nope, i compared two classes of people, not one class wherein some members show a trait, and some members do not

but thanks for playing the worthless link game

>>4150773
The truth requires evidence to be known as true. "The Earth is flat" was seen as truth at one point; however, evidence shows us that it is, in fact, round. As for evidence for the "brain failing" bit, I'll once again recommend that you look up Phineas Gage.

>>4150789
nope, the truth is just the truth; always has been, and always will be.

you do not judge the truth

the truth judges you

>>4150789
i'd get bitchy if a spike was driven through my head too

what's your point?

>>4150779

>seriously implying that Catholics aren't Christians by definition

>>4150779
You're committing the fallacy by claiming that Catholics are not Christians.

>>4150800
welcome to the looking glass

catholics are members of the catholic church

christians are indwelled by the Holy Spirit

some but certainly not all catholics are christians, and the converse is meaningless

>>4150803
no fallacy, merely the truth, as posted below your post and above mine. being a member of the catholic church does not make you a christian, any more than being a member of the NAACP makes you african-american

>>4150808
>no fallacy, merely the truth
Prove it, then. Show me a definition of Christianity that excludes Catholicism.

>>4150808
...Then what makes you a christian?

>>4150815
i already did. a christian is indwelled by the Holy Spirit, whereas a catholic is a member of the catholic church. a church, i might add, that thinks that it is the only church whose members receive salvation; i.e., belong to us or perish

i'd rather belong to Jesus than some kiddie raping nazi, tyvm

>>4150818
wow, i feel like this is the fourth time in this thread....being indwelled by the Holy Spirit is the mark of the christian; demonstrating the fruits of the spirit, i.e. love, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, long-suffering, self-control; these are the spirit of God

by saying that Jesus is Lord, and knowing in my heart that God raised Him from the dead, i am saved; i am one of His; i am a christian.

this goes for anybody, in this time of grace

>>4150821
Sorry if I didn't make this clear enough, but when I asked you to show me a definition that excludes Catholics, I meant a definition *outside* your own head.

You said it was truth, not opinion, so show me some external validation.

>>4150839
i can't make it any clearer than i already did

you can do what Jesus tells you to do to be saved

or you can do what the catholic church tells you to do to be saved

it's like you never heard of martin luther; never heard of the reformation; never heard of protestantism....

bump for godfag butthurtism

>>4150849
lulz i'm thrilled that the death of an atheist provides an opportunity to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ

thrilled

>>4150848
>i can't make it any clearer than i already did
Then you don't have much to substantiate your claims, i suppose, because everything you've provided so far was your very own pet definition of Christianity, which I have absolutely no interest in. I wanted you to demonstrate your position to be truthful, to show me that Christianity and Catholicism are indeed inherently mutually exclusive, but despite your repeated claims of having already done so, you haven't actually provided me with anything of value so far.

Once again: I am not interested in your opinion on this subject. I'm interested in external validation of your position.

>>4150871
i made no claim they were mutually exclusive; in fact, i did quite the opposite. maybe you should read my posts before responding?

if the common sense idea of obeying Jesus to be a christian, as opposed to being a member in good standing of the catholic church, then what do you want? bible verses? i can provide several; as a matter of fact, one of the posts above (which you seem incapable of understanding) paraphrases the most important verse to your interests:

Confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, and you will be saved.

it's in Romans; if the cite matters to you, i'll dig it up

>>4150871
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”[e](that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

that's the bible

>>4150896
"We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church."

nicene creed

>>4150891
>i made no claim they were mutually exclusive;
Yeah, that was just a clumsy paraphrase by me, sorry.

>if the common sense idea of obeying Jesus to be a christian, as opposed to being a member in good standing of the catholic church, then what do you want?
Just for the record, you haven't given me shit yet; you've only repeated over and over again that you've already demonstrated yourself to be correct, but without ever actually doing so. My problem is simply that everything you say (in particular comments like this >>4150692 ) rests entirely upon your own, completely arbitrary and disgustingly self-serving definitions of "Catholicism" and "Christianity". If your whole idea of Christianity is simply "obeying Jesus", as you just said, then there's absolutely *nothing* in Catholicism that would set it apart from that.

>it's in Romans; if the cite matters to you, i'll dig it up
Don't bother. It doesn't prove your point either.

>>4150946
if the bible doesn't prove how to be saved, then all are lost.

>>4151081
Now you're getting it! We die. The end. Do what you want with this life.

about all that fake hitler quotes:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/36145204/Hitler-s-Table-Talk-Troubling-Finds
they all come from this book that was translated from german ->french->english and is horribly wrong. The french translator sometimes even translated some pro-christian statements to anti-christian statements, the english translator made it even worse.
>...something something Christianity. We must destroy jewish people
became
>Something something. Christianity we must destroy. Jewish people.