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4065431 No.4065431 [Reply] [Original]

just thought I'd let you fuckers know you're basically representative of the complete degradation and collapse of human society

science is a pussy man's domain

it's a blindly optimistic field populated by blowhards who wish to know it all

by devoting yourself to this bullshit you're conveniently sidestepping the abyss underlying human existence and avoiding the more serious questions of life

truth isn't more valuable than untruth

>> No.4065432

Cool story, troll.

>> No.4065433

>truth isn't more valuable than untruth
0/10

>> No.4065436

>can't get pussy

>> No.4065437

>>4065432
>>4065433
nice responses faggots

I understand you're morons who go to shitty colleges and lack the intellectual depth to appreciate the concepts and ideas I have put forth but you could at least try

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4065438

...He said in a message sent over the internet from his computer, sitting in his comfortable climate conditioned house, in good health unprecedented in human history, while denouncing science.

>> No.4065442

>>4065438
don't confuse engineers with scientists dipshit

scientists don't pursue things with a commercial end
their gain comes from knowing the world

these luxuries I partake are not things I myself wasted time on

they are things developed by engineers for their own commercial gain

you're confusing issues moron

>> No.4065443

>ur a faget

>> No.4065444

You don't deserve the computer you're typing on.

>> No.4065447

>>4065444
sorry but I graduated from what is in all likelihood a far better school than you did/will and have forgotten more science than you ever will

as such im in a position to pass judgement on the field in a manner you yourself will never be able to

nice try though

>> No.4065448

>>4065442
Stop trolling. Just stop.

>> No.4065449

>>4065442
Engineering is applied science, we apply the discoveries of scientists to produce technology. Without science we would be nothing.

>> No.4065450

>>4065448
stop saging and post a decent response

I understand you're flummoxed by the idea that science is not the end all be all

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>>4065442

The things I mentioned are products of applied science.

You do indeed partake of them. You're no more than fifty steps from a fridge right now. You never want for food, you never have to endure exposure to the elements for lack of shelter, you're instantly entertained whenever you want it.

You and people like you have no idea how stupid, short, brutal and pointless life was for our distant ancestors. Science gave you everything in life that makes it comfortable and convenient. You're a spoilt child biting the hand that feeds.

Science is to humans as claws and teeth are to lions, as a stinger and pincers are to a scorpion. We ceased to be purely genetic beings when we began to write things down for future generations, then we became epigenetic as well. We began externalizing things like defense mechanisms (weaponry) memory (writing) and strength (tools), so really the moment we picked up a rock and sharpened it we started down a path that would entangle us inextricably with technology and by extension, the science that produces it. It is a foolish lion that would abandon its claws and teeth for fear of being too dependent on them.

>> No.4065455

>>4065431
What are your thoughts on causality?

>> No.4065456

>>4065449
but as evidenced by my original post I am classifying science as a self-serving hunger for knowledge for its own sake

engineering is separate
it's commercial in nature
it's purpose is to generate money and better lives

engineering can exist without science


this is all besides the point though because that guys response was shitty to begin with

>> No.4065459

>>4065456 engineering can exist without science
You know of a way to design a safe and reliable bridge without knowing the laws of physics?

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4065461

>>4065456
>it's commercial in nature

>> No.4065463

>>4065453
you think far to highly of yourself

praise science all you want for its supposed benefits all you like

all you're saying is
"science mad shit easy and luxurious"

it has nothing to do with what I posted

namely that scientists searching for truths are optimistic pussies trying to avoid the more important and relevant questions relating to existence

i don't need you to give me a hagiography of science

humans in all likelihood lived fuller existences when the struggle for survival was present but that too is another topic entirely

>> No.4065464

>>4065463
>humans in all likelihood lived fuller existences when the struggle for survival
Get off the internet and return to the jungle then.

>> No.4065465

>>4065463 humans in all likelihood lived fuller existences when the struggle for survival was present

Why don't you go do that.

>> No.4065466

>>4065459
I don't know how to make this dichotomy i have made clearer
science is knowledge for it's own sake

if an engineer wanted to cross a crevasse he'd acquire the requisite knowledge not for its own sake but to serve a separate purpose

in that sense engineering can exist without science

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>>4065463

I didn't say anything about myself. I was talking about you, and everything that's wrong with you.

>praise science all you want for its supposed benefits all you like

Thanks, I will.

>i don't need you to give me a hagiography of science

I don't care what you need. I've already said what needed saying and you read it. That's all I came here for.

>humans in all likelihood lived fuller existences when the struggle for survival was present but that too is another topic entirely

They didn't. Go try it, it sucks.

>> No.4065468

>>4065464
go back to reading your AP calc book and leave my topic child if you have nothing worthwhile to say

>> No.4065469

>>4065466
So you need to make up your own retarded definitions of "science" and "engineering" for your argument to work.

>> No.4065470

>>4065467
good now fuck off

you're refuted nothing I put forth in my post

why don't go you compute some cristoffel symbols for different metrics and feel better about yourself

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4065471

>>4065467
Thoreau might disagree.

>> No.4065473

>>4065469
what I have put forth is actually a widely held distinction used not infrequently

but it's ancillary (infact wholly irrelevant) to the thesis I put forth in my original post

try to argue what I said there instead of telling me
"HERP DERP but science gibs u air conditioning and luxury"

>> No.4065475 [DELETED] 

>>4065471

With a beard like that, who needs enemies?!

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>>4065473

It isn't just that science makes us comfortable. It's that it is indispensable to the human project. The entire point of our species. We cannot ever colonize other worlds without it. We cannot find new sources of energy, thwart heat death, escape to neighboring universes or create new ones. Our greater destiny in the long, long term is entirely dependent upon our growing scientific proficiency.

If Thoreau and those like him want to go backwards, let them die in caves while we explore the stars.

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4065481

Aw yeah, Mad Duck

>> No.4065482

>>4065431
Isn't it possible to pursue both "truth" and "untruth" though?

>> No.4065483

>>4065466
So what, what you are saying is, the Engineer would use math and knowledge of Metals/Plastics/Wood/etc and then build a bridge, with knowledge of the densities of said structures and how the gravitational forces will hold it down and support you properly, but use 0 science at all in that.
It's like, you are trying to ignore 99% of what science is about, and pick on the 1%.
You know what the Scientist would do?
He would run tests to see the most efficient way to build a bridge, then tell the Engineer how to build the bridge. So future generations can walk across the bridge, instead of the engineer building a bridge which once he crosses it breaks so future generations can't do shit with it.

>> No.4065484

>>4065478
>Someone used my Tien abs picture on /sci/
I've only posted that once on /mu/. How did it make its way here.

>> No.4065485

>>4065473
You start out by defining science as "a self-serving hunger for knowledge for its own sake". Then when people disagree with you your response is that they need to start by accepting your definition. Its not even at the level of semantic argument. You can't just make up your own definitions.

>> No.4065487

>>4065478
Not really go backwards, just realizing where you are/have been/will be.

>> No.4065490

>>4065463
>pussies trying to avoid the more important and relevant questions relating to existence

Such as?

>> No.4065491

>>4065478
the human project is an interior spelunking into self

you represent the naive optimism of the field

why do we need to escape and colonize other worlds or escape to other dimensions

what are we running from?

our greatest destiny is to simply to to keep running from death

why not sit and look into the abyss instead of constantly trying to come up with ways to run from it

>> No.4065494

>>4065491
To conquer death is to become god.

>> No.4065495

>>4065491
>why not sit and look into the abyss instead of constantly trying to come up with ways to run from it

Because then we'd die

>> No.4065496

>>4065485
look dipshit

I don't define science anywhere in my OP

i defined it to deal with another shitty post not unlike your own

if you don't agree with my distinction that
science has knowledge as an end in itself
and
engineering has knowledge as an means to a separate end

I don't care really because that's not what I made this thread to discuss

>> No.4065498

>>4065495
Its not so bad.

>> No.4065502

>>4065498
Prove it. Otherwise, taking a completely irrevocable step like that constitutes far too great a risk.

>> No.4065504

>>4065494
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_nutricula

if that is all it takes I found god already

i wont argue with the will to power as something worthwhile but that's not what is driving most of science

>> No.4065506

>>4065496
Your logic:

>Vegetarian food is horrible and disgusting.
Here's some good tasting vegetarian food
> No if it's good tasting that means it's not vegetarian.

Engineers do not look for new understandings of the world or look for faults in present ones; if an engineer does find himself doing that and they are doing it correctly what they are doing is science. What engineers do is take the discoveries of scientists and use them to solve a problem. Scientists provide the building blocks engineers work with. You can't have applied science without science to apply. Engineers are not scientists.

>> No.4065508

>>4065502
You want me to prove experience isn't bad...
You've just gotta take the plunge for yourself.

>> No.4065511

>>4065506
but don't try to present my logic as something it isn't

I defined engineering as the attainment of knowledge for use to achieve a separate end

I defined science as the attainment of knowledge simply for its own sake

you defined them in a different manner

it's really quite easy to see why we are at odds

I don't know why you're getting so frustrated about it

>> No.4065519

>>4065511
Those are not the definitions of the terms. You can't just change the meanings of words to suite your own purposes. Engineering is not at all about the attainment of knowledge, it is the application of knowledge.

Your entire argument boils down to:
>>I defined science as useless and engineering as useful, therefore science is useless and engineering is useful, I win

>> No.4065523

>>4065519
You just defined them the same way as him.
Science-discovers knowledge for its own sake (knowledge = end)
Engineering- uses knowledge for other means (knowledge = means)

>> No.4065527

>>4065523
What he has been doing is saying that engineers both acquire new knowledge and apply it. This is so that he can maintain his position that engineering is possible without science and that science played no role in the development of the technology he is using.

>> No.4065529

>>4065519
except they are widely used defintions and a widely employed dichotomy to separate the two

look dipshit

that has nothing to do with my original argument I put forth in my first post

some moron came in and said "derp u don't like science but u enjoy luxuries derpaherp u are hypocrite lololz"

I sad science didn't produce those benefits engineering did and even if science had produced them the fact that I enjoy them has nothing to do with what I originally said

namely

science is for naive optimists
it's a means to avoid answering the more meaningful questions

and lastly

truths are not more valuable than untruths

so let me make this clear
I didn't say science is useless
I said it has knowledge as its own end
that doesn't mean others can reap its benefits

my argument is not that engineering is superior to science

>> No.4065537

>>4065529
>Truths are not more valuable than untruths
Define value.
Define truth.
Define untruth.
[spoiler]Define define[/lolspoileronsci]

>> No.4065538

OP is 12 years old and has a 12/12 troll rating. Saged and hidden.

>> No.4065543

>>4065529
>>they are widely used defintions and a widely employed dichotomy to separate the two
No they are not.

>>science didn't produce those benefits engineering did
Engineers could not have produced those benefits without scientists discovering the physical laws we apply. Its like saying cattle herders don't produce meat butchers do.

>>science is for naive optimists
You only support this by making up your own definition of science.

>>it's a means to avoid answering the more meaningful questions.
You have not stated what these are.

>> truths are not more valuable than untruths
You and your family have been infected with a painful and crippling disease. It is truth that one medicine will cure you. It is untruth that another will cure you. Do you really think they are of equal value?

>> No.4065544

>>4065538
I like how half of /sci/ can't argue shit so they cry troll and take the time to sage my thread

this is probably the half that couldn't hack it even at community college and thinks they are hyper intelligent and their lack of success is mere laziness

>> No.4065546

>>4065529

You are clearly not very old, I see name calling in almost all of your posts, and your logic is really flawed.

>except they are widely used defintions and a widely employed dichotomy to separate the two

Where do you get this from???

Scientists are motivated by the technological advancement their discoveries result in, and discovering new stuff that will make their understanding of the universe more complete.

>> No.4065549

>>4065544
For what it's worth, this is a troll; I've seen a few in my day, etc. And our peculiar friend is more likely than not using some bastardized version of "value" that I am not familiar with, on top of what else he is doing wrong.

>> No.4065553

We finally won against the troll. We picked apart all his bad arguments, bastardized definitions, and unsourced claims, and bad logic, and he died.

>> No.4065554

>>4065543
I don't give a fuck if you've never run across the dichotomy I employ - it is widely used

I guess the man that built a table is a scientist and not an engineer because he discovered gravity pulls shit down to the earth huh? It's not like some truths and physical laws are self evident.

Everything is subject to physical laws. By your definition anything anyone does or builds is scientific.

What is science then if not the attainment of knowledge for its own sake.

That seems a pretty typical definition.

Here are some meaningful deeper questions:
What's our purpose?
What's right and wrong?
How should one live one's life?

These are basic questions that should be self evident when I say "more meaningful questions." And they clearly aren't answered by science. Scientists avoid answering these questions because they don't care about them and naively place the ultimate goal on acquiring an understanding about the universe.

I can already foresee you giving me some bullshit about how science aids in our understanding of these questions.

>> No.4065556

>>4065553
no you didn't

>> No.4065559

>>4065546
Scientists are motivated by greed and a craving for the respect of their peers just like everyone else.'

You're really a fucking moron.

Do you think M-Theorists are studying shit for technological advances?

Fucking dipshit they are doing it because they want to understand the universe.

It's a naive and childish desire and by focusing on understanding the underlying laws of the universe they cowardly avoid the real questions of existence.

>> No.4065562

>>4065554

Is it self evident that a triangle is the strongest geometric shape?

which is a thing that's widely used for bridge building, but wasn't before it was discovered.

>> No.4065564

>>4065553
You guys like logic?
Try analyzing the idea of cause and effect.
Hint* its empirical application completely falls apart as an assumption.

Just remember: correlation does not imply causation

>> No.4065565

>>4065559

>Scientists are motivated by greed and a craving for the respect of their peers just like everyone else.

If you believe that, then you are not a scientist. A scientist loves knowledge, and loves the process in which it is acquired (the ancient scientists were called Philosophers, which means "lover of knowledge").

>> No.4065566

>>4065562
Look.

Engineers can acquire knowledge as a means to their developmental ends.

If you want to classify it as science feel free. I define science as the attainment of knowledge for its own sake.

I don't understand what you morons are arguing this for.

This isn't a science vs engineering thread.

It's a science is for pussies and cowards thread.

If I wanted to discuss engineering I'd have made a "engineering is a self-indulgent tool that is crushing the human spirit and creating a new race of slovenly self-centered pleasure seekers with no higher purpose."

>> No.4065569

>>4065564

We know that moron, that's what all the "scientific" racists doesn't know.

>> No.4065570

>>4065554
>Purpose
>Right and wrong
>Live one's life

That's when logic and axioms of your choice come into play, champ. You're bitching that science, a very handy tool, doesn't do what it wasn't designed to do.

>> No.4065571

Don't feed the troll.
"Real questions of existence" - my ass.

>> No.4065573

just shut the fuck up

>> No.4065574

>>4065566

>I define science as the attainment of knowledge for its own sake.

That's your problem, "science" literally means "knowledge", you're bashing knowledge.

>> No.4065575

>>4065554 it is widely used
nope.

>>I guess the man that built a table is a scientist and not an engineer because he discovered gravity pulls shit down to the earth huh?
When you are building a bridge or a rocket ship or a computer it is a requirement that you know the physical laws before you start at a level much higher than "gravity pulls stuff down".

>>It's not like some truths and physical laws are self evident.
Like how rest is the natural state of an object, time is constant, and heavy things fall faster.


>What is science then if not the attainment of knowledge for its own sake.

>That seems a pretty typical definition.

It is your own personal inaccurate definition.

>>Here are some meaningful deeper questions: ...
Scientists are free and frequently do pursue the answers to those questions in their capacities as human beings. In their capacities as scientists they do not pursue those questions because they are not in the realm of science. You may as well say carpenters waste their time not trying to figure out the purpose of life because all carpenters ever do is build wooden structures. Those questions aren't part of carpentry, and they're not part of science.

>> No.4065577

>>4065565
Here look. I went to the best science and engineering school in the nation. There's plenty of nobel prize winners who are arrogant fucks who relish in being recognized as superior to their peers. If you don't wanna believe they are true scientists then whatever.

>>4065570
No you fucking moron I'm arguing that scientists are cowards who avoid the more meaningful questions and that the field is pervaded by a naive and stupid optimism. But nice try. Next time read the first post.

>>4065571
Look I'm sorry you are struggling with your Calc 2 class at the local community college and have to spend all your time trying to figure out how the series 1/n doesn't converge and have no time to sit and think about more important things.

>> No.4065578

>truth isn't more valuable than untruth
bullshit overload

>> No.4065580

searching for what constitutes reality and asking why it exists there are two very different concepts

>> No.4065581

>>4065577

So? What? We should stop doing science and start thinking about those questions (which cannot be answered better than biology answers them (meaning of life = reproduce))?

>> No.4065583

OP is so ERROR that I'm surprised the servers haven't melted from all the horrible abuse his posts cause to them.

>> No.4065585

>>4065577

Can we see your degree?

>> No.4065586

>>4065575
Look faggot you can keep saying nope all you want. I don't give a fuck that you never got out of Philosophy 101.

You arguments are getting progressively shittier.

You're confronted with the fact that by you definition a fucking carpenter is a scientist because he understands how to carve wood.

You're such a dipshit. I didn't ever claim that science doesn't lead to engineering feats.

You can bash my definition all you want but you don't provide your own.

Science isn't an occupation it's a philosophy of sorts which naively places a undue reverence towards an attainment of knowledge of the universe. Carpenters don't suffer that disease.

So please don't try and tell me
"well herpaderp the scientist can ponder being in his own time just like the fireman can - science is just his occupation lolz."

>> No.4065587

>>4065569
Somehow I doubt that, most people assume cause and effect must be a true application since everyone does it.
Its even the initial assumption for scientific inquiry. Though still unsupported.

>> No.4065588

>im super smart guys cuz i went to smart guy university, scientists are stupid because they dont know why reality exists a durp durp if they do it for money they're greedy and if they do it for their own idealogical reasons theyre cowardly
0/10

>> No.4065591

>>4065577
>Scientists are cowards
Would you argue that carpenters are cowards, or that business owners are cowards? Scientists, carpenters, and business owners, among other professions, all ply certain skills in their trade. The doing of science and delving into philosophy (or, if you prefer, the answering of the questions you mentioned earlier) are not mutually exclusive.

Well, gotta go. Have a swell day, champ.

>> No.4065593

I'm not posting my degree you fucking dipshit.

If you want me to explain to you what a differential k-form is or do some physics problems out of Goldstein or Shankar I'll consider it.

Otherwise you'll just have to take my word for it.

>> No.4065594

at least y'all didn't go to no art school

>> No.4065595

>>4065586

What's making you so angry? Why do you care if we think about "the meaning of life" or not?

>> No.4065596

God fucking damnit /sci/.

10/10

>> No.4065599

>>4065593

Okay, derive the time independent schrödinger equation for a 3. dimensional sphere.

>> No.4065601

>>4065591
Yeah I probably would argue it.

But it's different.

Scientists by virtue of their "occupation" are taken up with a certain mindset I think needs to be railed against.

Certainly not all are the same but a vast majority fall under the portrait I portray.

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4065602

So, your argument for science being stupid is that.... you're extremely impolite, uneducated and can't understand what people talk about?

Sounds reasonable.

>> No.4065603

science is no different from religion

its bullshit

>> No.4065607

>>4065577
Not an American.
Not in a community college.
I take interest in philosophy( this far I've only read Nietzsche and Schopenhauer, need some advice about what to read. As much as I've heard, people recommend ancient philosophers and their works), and I always doubt about my goals, my life, what do I want from a companion, my friends etc.
It's your arrogant behavior that makes me(and many others) uninterested in whatever you want to say.
I'm terribly sorry I did not match your stereotype. Better luck next time.

>> No.4065609

>>4065586
>>You arguments are getting progressively shittier.
I like how in the line above this you resort to petty name calling.

>You're confronted with the fact that by you definition a fucking carpenter is a scientist because he understands how to carve wood.
Have never stated anything remotely like this. You have a problem with reading comprehension which is being compounded by your lack of understanding of the terms you are dealing with.

>You can bash my definition all you want but you don't provide your own.

I have provided you with the definitions of science and engineering multiple times. Science: Acquire knowledge about the natural world. Engineering: Apply scientific knowledge to solve problems.

>>Science isn't an occupation it's a philosophy
Here you go again just making up your own meanings of words. Science is a methodology. It is a method of acquiring knowledge. A scientist is someone who uses this method.

>> No.4065614

>>4065599
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_in_a_spherically_symmetric_potential

There's a spherical potential for you.

I'm not wasting my time writing up that bullshit in LaTeX for you.

>> No.4065615

>>4065607

Kierkegaard is pretty good, he was a preast, but also the father of existentialism, it's not all easy stuff though (at least for me it's not easy).

>> No.4065619

>>4065603
>posting from a product of science
>on a medium based on science
>being alive to post due to science
>having a life expectancy two or three times higher than his grandparents, due to science
Though in your case, I agree, science should have failed and you should have died and rotted inside your mother, causing her death due to septicemia.

>> No.4065620

>>4065614

What will you do then?

>> No.4065621

>>4065601
I would agree with that. One can inquire with a scientific mindset while still understanding that it can't provide "the Answer".
However, science has brought interesting observations which can help in finding that "Answer". Than again any truelly honest observation will help.

>> No.4065624

>>4065615
Would you recommend Camus and/or Sartre?

>> No.4065628

>>4065609
Look stop trying to prove yourself to me you community college dropout.

Please stop arguing semantics.

All you ever say is

"Well that's you're fucking definition of what it is but that's not what it is to me"

>> No.4065631

>>4065624

definitely Sartre. As to Camus, his ideas are not really new, you could read him, but read others first.

>> No.4065634

>>4065628

>you're

You can not seriously be from a top tier university, not in a million years. Your spelling is generally poor, and you resort to name calling in every post.

>> No.4065640

>>4065634
Sorry top tier grads don't give a fuck about punctuation because we are too busy grinding out physics problems in Goldstein or Jackson or Carroll or what have you

i dont give two shits about my punctuation on a forum such as this

>> No.4065643

>>4065640

>implying it's only punctuation that's wrong

Also: Stop swearing so much, it makes you seem like a vile brute.

Also: Why are you so angry?

>> No.4065644

>>4065640
>While not all people careless enough to misuse "you're" are dumb as bricks, the vast majority of them are.

>> No.4065646

>>4065643
I couldn't care less how I come off on a forum dominated by and large pseudoscientists whilst cloaked in the veil on anonymity

and im not angry but I appreciate your concern faggot

>> No.4065647

>>4065640
So you chose to write you're instead of your to save time. Makes perfect sense.

>> No.4065652

>>4065647

I lol'd, OP is clearly a moron.

>> No.4065654

>>4065647
you're so stupid ill take a moment to explain it to you

it's really simple

when one is typing things flow naturally from the fingertips on the basis of what one has been typing in the recent past and on where the hands will be subsequent to continue typing the thought

its a matter of flowing easily from the fingertips

its only about saving time in the sense that one does not need to actively think about which is proper and just goes with the flow

in that sense you're can be faster than youre depending on circumstance

>> No.4065657

>>4065654

But not faster than "your".

>> No.4065659

>>4065652
you're clearly butthurt

please leave my thread

also thanks for the sage

it shows you've been gotten to

>> No.4065662

>>4065657
It's kind of like how you have

"your".

instead of

"your."

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4065664

Well, someone's mad.

>> No.4065665

>>4065654
Are your shift and period keys broken?

>> No.4065666
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>>4065431
Consider the following scenario:

OP tries to open a jar of pickles, it doesn't open.

I try to open a jar of pickles, it doesn't open, so I lever the lid a bit with a knife.


I am enjoying my pickles ,and op is not.

Science wins, yet again.

>> No.4065667

>>4065662

So it's better to be incorrect than correct?

>> No.4065668

>>4065667
Truths aren't more valuable than untruths, remember.

>> No.4065672

>>4065668

Define value.

>> No.4065674

>>4065666

OP starves to death for lack of pickles, but thinks grim manly existential thoughts while he's at it.

>> No.4065675

>>4065672
Define define.

>> No.4065677

>>4065675

Define: To clarify the meaning of something

If you're asking for more definitions you're a moron.

>> No.4065681 [DELETED] 

>>4065667
Relearn your grammar dipshit.

The period goes inside the quotations.

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>>4065677
Either that, or he might just be compiling some c++ without source.

>> No.4065685

So... OP.

Did you accomplished what you hoped?

I mean, you did start a discussion of something obscure with a bunch of clueless, delusional people right?

>> No.4065689

>Science
>Bad
What do you propose? World theocracy and asking a god to solve everything? If so, kill yourself.

And
>truth is not more valuable than untruth
Holy fuck, you're really retarded. If you mean that we should just throw amazing scientific discoveries out the window because it makes some people feel less important, then go fuck yourself, then afterwards, kill yourself.

"Better to accept the hard truth, than a reassuring fable" - Carl Sagan.

Eat shit. If there were no scientists engineers would NOT make ANY significant progress for a LONG TIME. They're not fucking researchers for figure out what's possible. That's what science is for.

You are the dumbest person I have ever met ever.
I bet you failed all your science courses in highschool and so you have a grudge against it.

>> No.4065690

>>4065685
Well yeah I riled up some dumbasses and asserted my superiority.

Unfortunately I'm stuck here until my ban on /sp/ lifts.

It's too bad this board is filled with so many people who know nothing really. A bunch of your typical "I'm super smart but lazy and that's why I don't go to a good school" types.

This is like the complete opposite of physicsforums.

>> No.4065692

>>4065689
figuring*

>> No.4065694

>>4065689
No actually I got 5's in AP Physics, Chem, and Bio. But that was fucking years ago.

And graduated first in my class and went on to the best science school in the nation.

But you probably couldn't do something as simple as write the Lagrangian for a pendulum unless you looked it up.

But I appreciate your contribution to my thread.

>> No.4065699

>>4065690
>Until my ban on /sp/ lifts
>He can't evade bans
LOOK AT HIM
LOOK AT HIM AND LAUGH

>> No.4065702

>>4065690

No it's not. The Europeans here all go to fantastic universities, because there's no such list of universities from good to bad, there is only specialized universities.

>> No.4065706

>>4065690

>This is like the complete opposite of physicsforums.

Someone else who browses the physicsforums?

Suddenly, this thread just went from shit-tier to God-tier just because someone else in this thread goes to that awesome-as-fuck website. Sweet.

>> No.4065707

>>4065694

>Cant' evade bans

Confirmed for not having studied physics.

>> No.4065710

>>4065702
No I'm pretty sure there's good and bad.

ETHZ, Cambridge, Oxford, École Polytechnique, and couple others

There's definitely a hierarchy of good and bad European schools as far as I can tell.

>> No.4065713

>>4065710

Show me.

>> No.4065716

>>4065713

Well a quick google search gave me a list.

>> No.4065717

>>4065710

What's the difference though? My university has everything I require, and I learn the same stuff that other universities teach, don't I?

>> No.4065718

>>4065713
You could just trust me.

Or you could take 5 seconds to hunt around.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/europe.html

There's a list. And all the usual suspects are at top.

Cambridge, Oxford, ETHZ, UCL, Edinburgh.

>> No.4065720

yada yada MEGADEATHS yada yada CORNUCOPIANS yada yada 1: EFFICIENCY 2: AVAILABILITY 3: SOMETHING ELSE yada yada CHEETO-ENCRUSTED BASEMENT DWELLER

>> No.4065722

>>4065717
No.

Good schools attract the best students.

Knowing they have the best students they tailor the curriculum to the abilities of the student body.

Just like math at Harvard is not the same as math at Penn State, math at Cambridge is not the same as math at Liverpool.

>> No.4065724

>Here are some meaningful deeper questions:
>What's our purpose?
Purpose is a man-made concept.
>What's right and wrong?
Right and wrong is a man-made concept.
>How should one live one's life?
The way that brings you the greatest satisfaction.

Sure are deep and edgy

>> No.4065731

>>4065722

So which university did you study in?

>> No.4065734

>>4065722

But my countries best university (which I'm attending for free) is at 125, yet graduates from that university is in high demand, we have lots of people in CERN for example.

>> No.4065736

>>4065718
Except for ETH, the level in most continental european universities is comparable. Usually there is a different on a per-subject basis, but not overall.

>> No.4065744

>>4065724
Cool story bro. You've got it all figured out.

>>4065731
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2010-2011/north-america.html

Look at the top 3 and pick one and you've got a 1/3 chance of choosing the one I went to.

It's irrelevant though to my thread where I went and I'm not sure why you want to know.

>> No.4065750

>>4065744

How about those who don't have money for an international university? Can I go to Oxford for free if my grades are high enough?

Also, people here always choose one of the universities in the country, even those who got straight A's in college (I mean, all classes A's, and extra classes to raise their average above what is actually possible).

>> No.4065761

>>4065744
>Cool story bro. You've got it all figured out.
No counterargument detected, concession accepted.

>> No.4065778

>>4065761
Because you ideas are cut from the same cloth as those presented by 15 year olds when asked those questions and lack any sort of originality of thought or effort put forth.

It's also 6 am and you missed the party.

>>4065750
I'm not European so I don't know the first thing about costs of European higher education. Just do you best and good things come. That's all I can say.

>> No.4065785

OP was probably raised by hippie parents.

Without health science, humans would live much shorter lives. We need science to further society.

Hell, without science, there would be no electricity, Internet, video games, and you probably wouldnt own that flashlight because you wouldn't have the chemistrical knowledge to conjure that shit up.

Op probably believes in alchemy too.

>> No.4065787

Op's Nihilism has no utility, nothing sadder than a rogue philosopher lost on a science board, and a rubbish one at that.

>> No.4065789

>>4065787
OP here. Sorry dipshit but chances I have forgotten more science than you will ever know. Thanks for the sage though it means you've been gotten to.

>> No.4065794

>>4065789
but you aren't talking about science, you're making daft value judgements with no empirical basis.

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>>4065789
>Completely disregarding the fact that you might just be a moron and our distaste towards your contributions can't be justified by that simple fact without wasting our time to lengthily explain why we think you are one.

In short:
Atheists: 1
Creationists like you, who don't even care about enlightenment: -9000

Checkmate, nigga.

>> No.4065809

>>4065797
You're a fucking moron.

Thanks for the reply though.

>> No.4065814

>>4065809
He might be a moron, doesn't change the fact that he's right in this case.

You are a fucking asshole who should stop coming to a SCIENCE board to complain about SCIENCE, utilizing a machine that relies on proven SCIENCE to function.

>> No.4065824

>>4065809

>you're a moron
>no you're a moron

>> No.4065825

>truth isn't more valuable than untruth

nobody has managed to explain OP's statement.

It just turned into a big buttfuck 'holy shit engineering is just implied science, there would be no engineers without science'.

You say you are the modern philosophers of today. Yet you reason and carry on like children and post nothing other than to demean and destroy each other. You are not scientists. You are all a bunch of well educated children and i'm sure none of YOUR scientific achievements have made any of our lives easier.

>> No.4065827

>>4065814
Right about what?

That the vast majority of you guys can't make a coherent argument and get butthurt easily? Just look at all these long ass sages.

And trust me I don't like being here are pseudo intellectuals.

There are maybe 10 people on this board out of the few hundred who frequent who are worth a damn.

Unfortunately I got banned from /sp/ so I'm making the rounds amongst the other boards.

>> No.4065828

>>4065825

Just you wait when I help build the first affordable CPU which utilizes quantum computing, just you wait.

>> No.4065832

>>4065825
>All y'all's stupid for calling each other stupid, you stupids!!!
Yeah, good point.

>> No.4065834

I'd like to see your dickhead philosophers philosophize me a useful energy source.

>> No.4065838

>>4065431
>implying there are actually representatives of science on 4chan or /sci/

however, you seem to forget, the whole science thing is not just for understanding things. It's also for invention and discovery of useful techniques and useful things.

>> No.4065841

>>4065838
No faggot how could I forget.

You fucking sheep seem to bring it up every 5 posts.

You seem to be too fucking stupid to realize that it isn't the point of the thread.

I swear 95% of this board is the same. Namely a white male aged 17-23 who isn't academically gifted but thinks he's exceptionally intelligent.

Anyways thanks for the sage. It lets me know you've been gotten to.

>> No.4065843

>>4065841
>I swear 95% of this board is the same. Namely a white male aged 17-23 who isn't academically gifted but thinks he's exceptionally intelligent.
see
>>4065808

>> No.4065846

>>4065843
Damn bro fucking genius!

Who would've thought people go from thread to thread?

Looks like that associates degree is paying off for you.

>> No.4065847

Why is desire for knowledge bad?

>> No.4065851

>>4065785
I WAS raised by hippy parents. They literally met on acid at woodstock and made me.

And their general philosophy towards science is that it is the only human endeavor with enduring merit.
I was told in no uncertain terms that if I wished to be a professional student, they would pay for it for as long as they were alive and make arrangements to ensure that I could continue on with my lifestyle after their deaths.

>> No.4065854

>>4065846
You're neither funny, nor provocative. Just an annoying douche begging for attention.

>> No.4065855

>>4065851

Have you ever been on acid?

>> No.4065857

>>4065851
> And their general philosophy towards science is that it is the only human endeavor with enduring merit.
So this whole thread is because you're an extremely late bloomer when it comes to rebelling against your parents? Good to know.

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>>4065841
Well what do you produce? Hot air?

Sorry, but lighter-than-air craft are a minority hobby, and even then, it's better to use helium than hot air.

In short, zeppelins made you redundant and aeroplanes even more so.

And furthermore, your incoherent posts and hostile attitude makes me think you're actually Æther or Teacup posting without a tripcode.

>> No.4065859

>>4065854
And yet you keep responding.

You can't make a decent counterargument to my claim so please leave the thread faggot.

It's quite simple.

Even a troglodyte such as yourself should know better.

>> No.4065862

>>4065847
Because there are more important things than an understanding of the way the world works.

And scientists are raping and crushing the soul of humanity.

People raised in an age of rationality seem not to grasp this though.

>> No.4065864

>>4065841
>You seem to be too fucking stupid to realize that it isn't the point of the thread.

no, of course i understood the point of the thread is trolling. how would anyone not get this.

>> No.4065865

>>4065859
>You can't make a decent counterargument to my unsubstantiated claim...
Fix'd.

There's nothing to counter. Just babble.

>> No.4065873

>>4065862
>Because there are more important things than an understanding of the way the world works.
Such as? Aside from dumb philosophical questions without any real answers(Like "what's the meaning of life?").
>And scientists are raping and crushing the soul of humanity.
What is the soul of humanity?

>> No.4065874

>>4065864
You really are a fucking moron aren't you?

Just keep saging though to let me know you're frustrated inside and giving me the opportunity to bump the thread for intelligent folk willing to actually put forth some arguments.

>>4065865
No the only babble is coming from your sages.
But thanks.

>> No.4065880

>implying questions have inherent importance by which they can be ranked

>implying that being a scientist means caring about nothing in life but science

>implying human society as we know it would ever have existed before it could be 'degraded' without science

>nope.jpg

>> No.4065883

>>4065873
You're already too far gone.

There not dumb philosophical questions.

Perhaps you should open some books aside from your textbooks once in a while.

Faust would be good. Brothers Karamazov. The Birth of Tragedy.

You might learn a thing or two.

And the soul of humanity is a metaphor describing what persons such as yourself lack.

If you want something more detailed the soul of humanity would be something Zarathustra's last man lacks.

>> No.4065885

>>4065862
>And scientists are raping and crushing the soul of humanity.
I think that's what the anti-science people are doing. Like you for example, you're awfully angry and spreading your hate instead of doing something constructive.

In short, you're contradicting yourself at every point.