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ITT, we discuss the increasing trend of constructing cities that are partly or mostly underground like Montreal and Toronto, or entirely underground like Coober Pedy. In addition we discuss the trend of building skyways so that inhabitants of cities in harsh climates can navigate most or all of the city's indoor space without ever being exposed to the elements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_city
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_living
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coober_Pedy,_South_Australia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_underground_city
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_PATH

Might this not only safeguard our major population centers against the worst case scenarios for climate change (including an unbreathable atmosphere) while also acclimating us to living in the kind of conditions that we'd face colonizing other planets? It seems like a logical and constructive step forward.

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Here's a map of the Montreal underground portions.

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Skyways...

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>> No.4057728

I went to Memorial university in Newfoundland for a while. Every building is connected through a series of underground tunnels. People bike and skateboard through them even. Its pretty awesome when there's six feet of snow on the ground. You sometimes see scary pale people who haven't gone outdoors in months.

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>>4057728
> Every building is connected through a series of underground tunnels. People bike and skateboard through them even. Its pretty awesome when there's six feet of snow on the ground. You sometimes see scary pale people who haven't gone outdoors in months.

Livin' the colonist life. It'll be a smooth transition for people like that.

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A typical home in Coober pedy.

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It's irl dorf fortress. But with Australians.

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>> No.4057760

How well protected are underground and indoor cities from natural disasters? Earthquakes and floods, perhaps?

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>>4057760

Extremely well protected from harsh weather. Clever drainage would handle floods although these cities are typically built either in the frozen north or in the desert where that's not a real issue. I dunno about earthquakes although there's less chance of your home outright collapsing since it's not a freestanding wooden structure.

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>>4057774
Freud warned us this would happen if we let women become civil engineers.

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>>4057760
Very well. The geofront in Tokyo-3 has been able to withstand multiple attacks by giant monsters.

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>>4057774
Where do they keep the mechs?

>> No.4057807

I plan to build my house underground.
Shit just more efficient.
And when i say house, it's really just a little room for bed/computer, and one for kitchen/shower.
Can't decide for another for restroom, or just outside.
Lot of mosquitoes in summer, so probably inside too.

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>> No.4057831

I've been wanting to start up a thread on making regular land cities, but I don't really feel like doing it while other city building threads are active, and I keep forgetting about it other times. I guess regular cities are usually partly underground anyway, and any I'd like to make certainly would be. Anyway, I really have a liking for enclosed rooms for some reason, so count me in. I'd mostly want to avoid having it too mall-like everywhere. That'd be pretty boring*.

I'm guessing desert would be the place to build it, since there's cheap land and plenty of sun for concentrated solar power. Though I do like snow much more than warm weather, so if we can get enough energy up north, I'd like that.

*This presumes we don't all learn parkour and run around like Faith from Mirror's Edge.

>> No.4057841

My university has a network of underground tunnels, but they aren't really for student use. Students sometimes use them when the normal routes are closed off for whatever reason, however.

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>>4057831

>Build subterranean desert cities for laborers building vast solar concentration plants all across the surface
>It becomes its own distinct culture
>We study it as a prelude to colonizing the subterranean lava tubes of Mars

>> No.4057855

There is plenty of land on the surface.

It has been said many times before: It is more economical to terraform the Sahara desert than it is to create anything habitable by humans on the sea floor (or underground).

>> No.4057868

>>4057855
Only valid until everything becomes sea floor

>> No.4057892

>>4057846
this looks pretty cool, but i prefer to live in a place with real sunlight.
like most people do.

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>>4057892
Which is why you have big mirrors on the surface and reflect the sunlight down.

>> No.4057924

>>4057855
>It has been said many times before: It is more economical to terraform the Sahara desert than it is to create anything habitable by humans on the sea floor (or underground).

Except that you're completely wrong. These underground cities already exist, specifically because it's cheaper to expand downward than to try and make the surface more habitable in the regions where these cities exist.

Did you think the pictures were all CGI or something? These are real places. And there is no way we can 'terraform' someplace like the Netherlands without doming over it or some shit. Building down into the Earth is obviously cheaper and more practical which is why it is already being done.

>> No.4057932

Groundwater is a factor against this, as energy costs rise these places will be left to flood, forever entombed in a creepy underground lake as emblems of this era's frivolous waste.

>> No.4057939

>>4057846
Now that's actually a good idea, wouldn't look quite like that though. I'm pretty sure the surface would be used for transportation, like an inverse subway.

>> No.4057953

>>4057904
that wouldn't save any surface, you would need it to let the sunshine in.
we might as well keep building on surface

>> No.4057966

>>4057855
> There is plenty of land on the surface.
> It has been said many times before: It is more economical to terraform the Sahara desert than it is to create anything habitable by humans on the sea floor (or underground).

Sing it, bro. I keep telling the seafaggots the same thing, but they are 100% resistant to logic and facts.

Economics will continue to keep people dwelling on dry surfaces. That doesn't rule out floating platforms of great width upon the ocean, but even those are fairly uneconomic. But underground and under the water? 99.9999% will never see it.

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>>4057953
Not if you use large mirror type structures like pic related.

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>>4057970
Also like pic related

>> No.4057994

>>4057966
>9.9999% will never see it.
>Only 6800+ will see it.

Seems unlikely. You're forgetting that having a sunroof in your house doesn't mean having your whole roof made out of glass.

>> No.4058009

>Subterranean habitation
Enjoy your radon, mole-people.

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>>4058009
Oh we will, we'll enjoy it a lot. A lot more than you'll enjoy the radioactive wasteland that'll become of the surface when we nuke the fuck out of you.

Check mate surface dwellers.

>> No.4058080

There hasn't been an underground Bioshock game yet. Mite b cool.

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>>4057774
>>4057785
Its an upside down vagina. No question.