/sci/ - Science & Math

nuclear energy does not come from our sun

>>3948156

What about the exceedingly minor amounts of radiation coming from starlight in all directions?

Sure, when I say exceeding, I mean like we're getting a few photons per second, but still.

Hay guys

>>3948161
>nuclear energy
>from uranium
>which was fused in the sun, like nearly all matter on earth

>>3948159
Well, I suppose we could lump that in with the rest as solar radiation.

>>3948161
Really? Where'ed it come from?
The only theories I've heard is that it was either the result of the pressure of a forming earth, or an even mindbogglingly older supernova which provided the material for our solar system to form.

>>3948161

Now that depends on what you mean by nuclear energy. Nuclear decay, sure, but where does the energy for enriching nuclear fuel come from?

>>3948171

No, it was fused in a star, not the Sun. The Sun is the Sun.

>>3948171
But not our Sun.

>>3948156
>The Sun
Sorry friend, but nuclear energy doesn't come from THE Sun. It comes from stars.

Now let's talk about how all energy comes from the Big Bang! :D

>>3948171

Yes, but it didn't come from OUR sun.

Let's consider Oil
Oil is petrochemicals from hyperpressurized and heated bilogical compounds.
Biologic compounds come from living creatures, who either feed on eachother, or feed on plants who photosynthesis solar energy into nutrients.

Therefore Oil come from the Sun.
Maybe those old Sun Cults had a point after all?

>>3948178
>>3948187
true, my bad

EDIT: stars

>>3948171
>>3948174

uranium was made during the supernova of other stars, not our sun.

as where nearly all elements beyond He on earth.

but as other energy is chemical, the energy of say, burning carbon, is considered to be manufactured here

>>3948180
>how all energy comes from the Big Bang!
What is there to discuss? I can't think of a single topic.

>>3948191
>those old sun cults

One of them is called christianity.

Ok, there is a couple forms of energy that are not sun sourced.

Hyrdo-energy and Tidal energy.
The first is from Earth's gravity, and the second is from the Moon's gravity.

>>3948202
>One of them is called christianity.
Nah, they specifcally state in their doctrines that, even though other pagans stated that all life came from the sun, it was the christian God who created said sun, so it all goes back to him.

>>3948209
>derp

The sun is the origin of religions having only ONE god.
That's what ancient aliens brought to our ancestors, when they visited.

>>3948217
If by "ancient aliens" you mean "reptoids" and by "visited" you mean "took over," then I agree.

>>3948205
Well, hydro actually comes from evaporation, powered by the sun
Though, you're right, Tidal energy is probably the only energy that doesn't come from the sun.

>>3948217
>The sun is the origin of religions having only ONE god.
I'll grant you they were the first ones, or the Original Monotheists, you might even say.
But Christianity goes back to Judaism, which still is full on Spiritual Monotheism with no respect for the sun.

>If by "ancient aliens" you mean "reptoids" and by "visited" you mean "took over,"
Took over? Evidence pl0x

>>3948229
> hydro actually comes from evaporation
What?
I was talking about things like Hoover Damn and the Three Gorges Chokehold.
Those don't work off of evaporation, do they?

>>3948236

>>3948236
Yes they do.
Water from the Oceans evaporates, the clouds move inland, rain down on some mountains, the water makes it's way to the oceans again. On the way, we extract potential energy from it, ultimately put into it as it rose into the atmosphere.
If no new water would rain down, rivers would run dry pretty fast.

>>3948236

Water cycle comes from nowhere, huh?

>>3948230

pic related, it's a reptoid

>>3948241
>>3948245
>>3948246
OOOOH.
Gotcha, I hadn't gone deep enough yet.
Time for /sci/-ception.

>>3948197
Do you like my subtle joke? :D

"It all comes back to the Big Bang", a general truth and a reference to a scene in the novel Green Mars (one of my favorite books).

I found the lack of stuff to talk about to be a humorous reflection of the fact that when one cuts out the semantics from most /sci/ thread, there is very little to discuss. Science is too good at establishing the truth.

So far we have
>Nuclear
Caused by stellar fusion, billions of years ago.
>Solar
Derp
>Hydro
Works off of the hydrological cycle, which requires the sun to power it.
>Tidal
Works off of moon gravity
>Wind
Harnesses the weather, which is caused by energy from the sun.

ANything I'm missing?

>>3948259
*threads

>>3948249
>that feel

>>3948259
>Green Mars
Never read it, bro.
Sorry.

> Science is too good at establishing the truth.
Well, that and when you actually cut out the rhetoric, all that's left is the pure data, which isn't very fun to discuss unless you are personally researching it.

Hello asshats, I'd like to inform you of fusion energy

>>3948289
> fusion energy
Thanks pal, forgot about this one.

Although when we actually get Fusion Energy, we will have essentially created a Sun of our own: the principal is still the same so we'll have broken the metric of energy...
Somewhat, anyways.

>>3948289
well, the sun itself is fusion and hydrogen doesn't come from stellar evolution so there you go

Our most important source of energy is still oil.

>>3948271
>Well, that and when you actually cut out the rhetoric, all that's left is the pure data, which isn't very fun to discuss unless you are personally researching it.
Like I said, semantics. :D

>>3948294
>hydrogen doesn't come from stellar evolution
Well, Hydrogen is one of those fundamental 'things'
It's all from the Big Bang, or whatever genesis occured.
We could MAKE more hydrogen, but why would you?

>>3948271
>Well, that and when you actually cut out the rhetoric, all that's left is the pure data, which isn't very fun to discuss unless you are personally researching it.
Like I said, semantics. :D

>>3948264
So far we have
>Nuclear
Caused by stellar fusion, billions of years ago, so at least tangentially solar related..
>Solar
Derp.
>Hydro
Works off of the hydrological cycle, which requires the sun to evaporate/precipitate the water back into the dam reservior.
>Tidal
Works off of moon gravity shifting the ocean.
>Wind
Harnesses the weather, which is caused by energy from the sun creating convection and thermal bands.
>Fusion
Breaks the metric, as we have essentially created our own sun.

>>3948403
what fucking metric is fusion breaking?
seriously, screw.

>>3948429
Well, in the same way everything is measured with relation to the Speed of Light as an absolute, I was doing something similar by relating everything to the Sun.

Since Fusion Reactors would be a miniature sun minus the gravity of a sun, it would be equivalent to compare it to a drive that goes at the Speed of Light. That's how I said it 'breaks the metric'.

>>3948264
>ANything I'm missing?
Geothermal.
>>3948296
I'd still argue that as the sun is responsible for all living things on earth and the things that have died and become fossil fuels, that the sun wins.

Fusion also comes from the sun since Tritium is created in the oceans and seas naturally from solar radiation.

>>3948441
>I'd still argue
Read the OP post
>Recently we've been plagued by a troll I've nicknamed 'Peak Oil Fundie'. In the spirit of dealing with it, any posts he makes in this thread are to be entirely ignored.

>>3948451
>Fusion also comes from the sun since Tritium is created in the oceans and seas naturally from solar radiation
Wait, really? How does that work?

>>3948451
nope

by cosmic rays

>>3948458
I had a brainfart. It's atmospheric gasses, not oceans though maybe it could happen there too.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium#Cosmic_rays
This sorta breaks the greenpeace argument that fusion isn't sustainable.

>>3948463
>cosmic rays
Functionally similar to solar radiation.
Hell, cosmic rays ARE solar radiation, since all solar radiation mean is 'electromagnetic energy from a stellar object'

>>3948458
it doesn't. see >>3948463

>>3948468
Heh, that reminds me.
I remember reading that Antimatter naturally formed in pockets of magnetic force within the earth's magnetic field, and apparently in enough quantities that we could harvest quite a lot per year, should we develop the technology for capturing free antimatter.

>>3948479
Where'd you read this? Sounds promising.

>>3948469
nope. the cosmic rays with sufficient energy to create tritium are of unknown origin. suggested mechanisms are GRBs, quasars, intergalactic shock, topological events in universe formation

>>3948452
ahh i missed the "I've", thought Peak Oil Fundie was his actual name

>>3948485
Here, the first thing I found google
http://www.dailytech.com/Earths+Dirty+Secret+Our+Magnetic+Field+Traps+Antimatter/article22375.htm

>>3948486
Oh really? Cool! What's intergalactic shock?

>>3948489
It IS a catchy name isn't it?

Reminder: If you don't know what the "oil window" is, you literally don't understand anything about petroleum in comparison. After all, you're apt to believe totally false things like "oil comes from the mantle".

The sad fact of the matter is that Humanity was granted the outcome of millions of years of production from the oil window, which resulted in a few trillions of barrels of oil in total. There is no more than that, and most of those trillions are totally unrecoverable in any economic sense. So we'll never actually run out of total oil reserves, but we're rapidly running out of ECONOMIC oil reserves. And in terms of Cheap Oil, we've already run out of that stuff: The stuff that was under the most pressure and was in the largest fields. What's left is the stuff that's progressively harder (hence more expensive) to get out of the ground.

By the time the world's oil-guzzling nations are fighting over Arctic oil deposits, their economies will have collapsed anyway. The warfare over the issue will be part of the Resource Wars, and will be so pervasive and will so disrupt global commerce, that the so-called benefits from wartime spending just won't be felt by most of the laboring classes. And anyone who gets a job from that wartime economy will largely be drained of their money by inflation in commodities and energy.

>>3948403
So far we have
>Nuclear
Caused by stellar fusion, billions of years ago, so at least tangentially solar related..
>Solar
Derp.
>Hydro
Works off of the hydrological cycle, which requires the sun to evaporate/precipitate the water back into the dam reservior.
>Tidal
Works off of moon gravity shifting the ocean.
>Wind
Harnesses the weather, which is caused by energy from the sun creating convection and thermal bands.
>Fusion
Breaks the metric, as we have essentially created our own sun. However the FUEL for Fusion reaction comes from the sun as well.
>Antimatter
I don't know what the fuck is going on with this one. It don't even know how to compare it to the sun; we're exploiting primordial facts of existence with this stuff.