/sci/ - Science & Math

>>3940665
So this is basically an even more useless form of IQ measurement, one based on how well students memorize words no one ever uses and basic math?

"Steve Hsu (physicist ..."

Chemist calling confirmation bias.

Physicist student reporting in.

Undergrad; My university consistently scores among the top 5 physics programs in the country, will have taken 2 semesters of grad level quantum mech, grad level classical mechanics, 1 semester of quantum field theory, and 2 courses in grad level topology before I finish undergrad.

Feeeellls good man :3

:3

>>3940713

grad level classical em I mean...derp

>>3940693
>GRE
>basic math

>>3940714

It's classier to ignore people who obviously weren't grad material, trip-non..

is this shit peer reviewed?

Are you going to repost this every week?

>114.0 Medicine
>GRE not accepted for medical school admissions, no reason to ever take it

BUT THEN WHO WAS DATA??!!?!?

Physics > Math

What the fuck is this shit?

>>3940846
Yes. Why? Are you an education major?

>>3940838
Not these conversions specifically, but the statistical correlation between IQ and GRE scores is peer reviewed and well documented.

>>3940856
mfw when art history majors have higher IQ than medicine.

>>3940856
Med students still took the SAT to get into undergrad. The MCAT also has correlations with IQ, but they are not as strong as the GRE or SAT.

>>3940875
Because the average content on the MCAT is memorization and not critical thinking

medicine confirmed for parrotry

>philosophy above chem

lol

>126.0 Electrical (&Computer) engineering
Oddly enough that's my primary major and exact IQ

>128.5 Computer Science
AHAHAHAHAHAHA! no. Hell no. Nice try CS major/troll. I'll be surprised if the average for those 'things' is above 100.0

>>3940862
And I should add, in reference to "how this was converted," that these were simply extrapolated from regression equations (which come from peer reviewed statistical data). So, you could say that the data above is peer reviewed.

>>3940713

Another physics undergrad here.

This actually made me feel really bad.

If only the absolute smartest people are the ones who go into my field, what hope does someone like me have of succeeding in it?

Hurr durr, I'm a materials chemist. Therefore I must have an IQ of both 127 and 124. Until you observe it.

>>3940918
condensed matter physics

>114.0 Medicine

>>3940900
I lol'd too, anon. I'm assuming folks who actually make it to PhD, otherwise I'm highly skeptical.

>>3940912
>2011
>Claiming that anything about extrapolation is legitimate analytical practice

Where is the original data for this nonsense, anyway? This thread is useless without a source.

>>3940936
I want to see fuckin' peer reviewed shit up in this bitch.

>>3940926
Medical doctors aren't actually smart. Though I can't say they weren't tenacious, but as long as you make it through med school and boards, you're set. You can fake it 'til you make it. Hence the reason for malpractice insurance.

>>3940936
The source is some lonely asian fag sitting at a computer making shit up.

So it's perfectly legit.

>>3940936
I was using "extrapolation" in the common, non-statistical sense.

I will locate the study on IQ-GRE score correlations. It might take some time because I never saved it.

business(accounting) subhuman. this seems accurate

>>3940965
I know a lot of really smart kids who knew they wanted to be doctors and have gone or are on their way to med school because they know they can do the work and they want a pretty much guaranteed high-paying job. There are a ton of kids who aren't smart who drop premed during undergrad and there are a lot who don't get into med school, period. Yeah, sure, you can make it through just hard work and little innate talent but my experience has definitely tended more toward the smart people going for a guaranteed payoff.

>>3940926
Yes, that appears to be the level of intelligence among doctors. I don't get all the "hurr nope" in this thread.

The data doesn't meet you preconceived notions. So therefore change your opinions, not try to challenge or change the data.

-38.4 Posters on /b/
-75.2 Posters on /soc/

>>3940994
>Physicist concludes physicists are smartest
>Accuse US of confirmation bias

>>3940991
Well, yes, there are certainly a lot of smart people in medicine.

But unlike physics, you don't *need* an IQ over +2 SD to study medicine. Since there are no intrinsic roadblocks to individuals with average or +1 SD intelligence in medicine, it is not surprising to see the IQ of the medical field so low.

>>3940991
>had flu
>went to doctor
>doctor had to consult book for diagnosis
>flu
>got excused absence
>never went to that doctor again
>realized they're not all smart

>herp
>derp

>>3941001
It is more likely that /sci/ has a greater density of physicists and mathematicians. Speaking in terms of probability, it is more likely that /sci/'s IQ is higher than /lit/'s.
>120.1 English/literature

>>3941016
*average or <1 SD intelligence in medicine

>>3941001
you do realize that picture is the result of someone taking a bellcurve png and shitting all over it with text boxes right

>>3941016
Thank you.

You can practice what you want. That doesn't mean you're necessarily intelligent or even good at your chosen profession.

>>3941016
>Since there are no intrinsic roadblocks to individuals with average or +1 SD intelligence in medicine

The medical unions and med schools don't count? They want perfect 4.000 to get into med school and top of your med class to be a doctor.

>>3941036
Not everyone understands Gaussian distributions. Be gentle.

>fixed

>/sci/'s inferiority complex to /lit/

>>3941001
>normal distribution
>not symmetric

ISHYGDDT

>>3941041
>mfw I know a dozen people with >4.0 GPAs who got accepted to "respected" med schools.
>mfw I have no face.

>>3941029
I'm pretty sure the average poster on /sci/ is CC or shitty state school undergrad level at best, never spent much time on /lit/ but it's quite possible that a higher proportion of people who enjoy discussing literature are educated than people who are interested in science and math, which would explain the data.

I mean, that graph was obviously hand drawn without any data at all but you get what I'm saying.

>>3941041
>mfw I know a dozen people with <4.0 GPAs who got accepted to "respected" med schools.
>mfw I have no face.

>>3941041
Well, I don't know much about medical unions, but I'm pretty sure >99% of people who graduate from medical schools become practicing doctors.

I based my opinion on the content of medical study. It is mostly memorization and light on mathematics. Memorization activities are not nearly as g-loaded* as are those involving pattern recognition and critical thinking (such as physics problems).

* associated with general intelligence

>>3941062
yes

>>3941076
Many, though not all, biological sciences involve memorization but little problem-solving. I have to agree with you on this.

>>3941046
Gaussian distributions tend to be estimated based on data, not the trolling potential of the graph.

>>3941086
Exactly, hence the lack of understanding.

>>3941076
Good luck trying to memorize the vast amount of information presented in medical school by rote without engaging in pattern recognition.

>>3941050
>>3941001
>no /sp/

>>3941093
Lesser apes, as well as other mammals, can recognize patterns.

>128.5 Computer Science

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>>3941108
But apparently it's still more g-loaded than memorization?
trollface.jpg?

>>3941093
So... you think you're House M.D.?

>>3941115
Apparently.

>>3941108
Yeah, really really shittily, just like I'm a whole lot better at pattern recognition than Tyquan from Compton.

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>>3941120
Nice social Darwinism!

>>3941105
/sp/ is to the very extreme far right of the curve.

>128.0 Economics

umad engineerfags? What does it take for you to understand the field of Economics isn't bullshit?

>>3941036

Yes I do. And I originally got it off this board.

>>3941141
Careful. It could just be that economists are smart enough to con everyone into paying them for BS predictions.

>>3941150

Because all economists do is make wild predictions.

>>3941164
Yes, just like all biology students do is rote memorization, was there a point to your post or just stating the obvious?

>>3941184

>That feel when you have a higher IQ then Physics and Math majors

>>3941199

>mfw im electrical engineering and there is NO fucking way my IQ is that high

>>3940665
Physics...
Higher average IQ than Mathematics...
Study conducted by physicist...

Seems legit.

>>3941206
>That feel when you stop and think about this, then realise the chart is bollocks.
>That feel when no maths or physics major realistically has an IQ below 130, yet the chart averages at 130

>128.0 Economics

Wow I must be really smart

>loosely based
>standard deviation of 15 points
>24 point stratification

Wow, its fucking useless

>feynman
>120

I'm at 139 and I have a hard time getting through my physics program because of severe anxiety. Understanding it is easy, the necessary work and devotion is harder. I'm convinced that a sufficiently dedicated person who can afford his classes without struggle and anxiety can probably succeed with just a little hard work.

Some of my peers are two SD's lower than me and are performing better because they've got better control of themselves.

>>3941384
you ever tried meditation? that shit has worked wonders for me

>>3940665
Non-american medfag here, slightly confused; this data would imply that biology students for example would have higher "GRE" scores (I assume this is some sort of college entrance thing?) than medical students. But isn't medicine a lot more competitive, entrance score wise, than biology? It certainly is over here at least.

>>3941393
It's only helped me for the duration of the meditation. Usually I'm drawn out of it by the anxiety. Lots of bad childhood things, and stuff. I'm a little more permanently broken

>>3941405
doesnt necessarily mean those with highest IQ get in if it's more competitive

>>3941405
Whats even stranger is that to get into med school most people dont have to and usually don't even take the GRE. So i have no idea where that number even comes from

>>3941421
I thought that GRE was an entrance score or something, so if IQs are calculated based off an entrance score then it would certainly follow that a more competitive entrance score means a higher calculated IQ, but

>>3941423
would imply that GRE isn't an entrance score? Or at least not for medicine?

>>3941455
The MCAT is the standard entrance exam for pretty much all medical schools at this point
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_College_Admission_Test

Aw yea! I'm 128.5! Fucking love computer programming! It's my specialty.
Love you /sci/ always put me in a good mood.

>>3940910
>>3940910
>>3940910
>>3940910
Computer science programmed the calculator you use to do those stupid physics equations.

>>3941479

90%+ of all computer science majors have no clue what assembly is. The programming used in the calculator is nor always a higher level programming language. They don't know assembly. Computer engineers, however, do. You're terribly misinformed.

>IQ
>>>/pol/

>>3941501
-.-

>>3941511

Come at me!

>>3941512
HOLY NIGGER SHIT IT'S BACK!

/sci/ IS SAVED!

>>3941517

>>3941527

Prove me wrong son. Most computer science majors are engineer dropouts. They have maybe 1 compiler class and that's it.

EE and ECE are what make the world go round. Deal with it.

>>3941532
Computer Software Applications Major.

>>3941546

Sounds useless, but k.

>>3941532
I am nearly 70% Proficient in Java, and 60% proficient in C# and C++, I am a Freshman in College. As you were saying.......?

>>3941551

I don't quite understand what you're driving at? You're telling me you won't learn anything new until junior year. I'm supposed to be impressed?

I have the ability to create complex circuits, understand how they work on an atomic level, and program them all by myself.

Not a single CS major can boast about have 1/3 the knowledge I have. Most don't even take physics.

CS is slightly above ISDS major.

>>3941558
I'm telling you that I'm already at that level, at such a low end year. Normally that's what people graduate at. You obviously don't have any clue what your talking about, since you never even went into the field.

>>3941559

Now i know you're trolling son. Freshmen in college that has had a REAL CS job? Real companies don't hire kids.

And Yes, I have been in the field. Capstone and internships.

You can't boast about having an understanding in C++ and Java. Everyone knows that information. It can be learned online by anyone with internet access. certain highschools offer AP programs for CSC, but usually aren't very good.

My guess, is that you're just a freshmen kid who went to a highschool where you had a few CSC classes, and you think you're mister bigshot.

You know nothing of Engineering, and by most if not all, it is regarded significantly more prestigious. Probably because it takes quite a bit of skill. We're the doctors of technology, while you're just the nurse.

>>3941569
Can read me like a book.