/sci/ - Science & Math

the chinese will do it for you. you cant even into space anymore, let alone to new nucular technology.

>>3922846
no
hell no
they've stolen enough of our ideas already, damnit. we built this son of a bitch and we're going to finish it first

You don't.

You need to push government officials and educate them on nuclear power, and then get them to push their superiors, or you need a large enough budget that you can buy ad-time on television and educate the public that way.

I guess you could try a grassroots movement, but they don't work.

Develop a modified kind of cereal that uses freeze-dried Spirulina algae to supply all the essential nutrients for human survival, and get people from /ck/ to resign different flavours for it. Market it as Human Chow, as interest in having one cheapshit food that could replace Ramen noodles for those that don't care for fine cuisine has been expressed many times while I've been on 4chan. You can also replace the peanut-based food aid that air organizations use, and sell it to the military to supplement their soldier's diets. Also, since Spirulina algae requires so little growing space, if the process it simple enough, you could make it on board a spacecraft on its way to Mars and not worry too much about food storage for the trip there and back.

Use the money to purchase an allotment somewhere in remote Australia, and construct underground geodesic dome labs, workshops and living quarters to begin development on our own liquid fluoride thorium reactor. Because America is not going to be talking about LFTRs for the next 15 years, or until we appear over a major city with a thorium-powered flying outpost.

>>3922863
god damnit inurdaes
you've been praying too hard at the church of lftr, i've seen you posting facts without researching them

also your idea is absolutely bonkers, in a kind of amusing way
just tellin' it how it is

>>3922872

Let him dream

>>3922882
it's hard to sometimes

>>3922872
I know it's bonkers, we've got to have bonkers ideas to counterbalance the fatalist Malthusians.

>>3922885
what? no, we're raising awareness about liquid fluoride thorium reactors as a cost effective energy solution
who said anything about fatalist malthusians

>>3922897
We have to rape wimmin to counterbalance all the man rape.
tit obferve

>>3922897
Well honestly, you can talk about LFTRs all you want with pamphlets everywhere, it's still not gonna get talked about much. But if you introduce massive flying buildings, you get world coverage for the next fortnight.

Personally I'm fine with having a news story rave on about how successful China has been in 2018 or something.

>>3922915
fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

>>3922915
You're 16?
http://www.thesocialrev.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66885

>>3922922
Like I said, time progresses.

>>3922922
what the hell
>>3922915
i like how your progression of ideas is
pamphlets -----> flying city thing
with no middle ground

>>3922927
Personally, I'd love to hear your idea of a middle ground. Youtube videos? Already done. TV interviews? RT America did one, if that counts.

This thread seems alive.
Would pic-related work, even sorta?

>>3922927
>>3922933

2-hour Discovery channel special voiced narrated by Morgan Freeman and/or Samuel L. Jackson

>>3922933
i actually had an idea for a series of youtube videos, probably 2-5 minutes in length, probably with a little animatic of a stick figure explaining this stuff. there would be videos breaking down most of the concepts, and building up to a video about fukushima, chernobyl, TMI, and lftr

the aim would be to make it informative, yet appealing enough that anyone could watch the entire thing and pass it on with enthusiasm.

people see the two hour long video in posted and go "no thanks" then switch back to facebook

>>3922941
I...
Wow, I just realized no one has done a proper documentary on LFTRs, have they? I mean yeah, there's that 5 Minute Remix thing, but that's not a PROPER documentary. I'd totally love to see something like that.

>>3922948
requires further exposure first

>>3922945
also, the best case scenario for something like this would be getting it to go truly viral, but that's almost impossible to do intentionally. Forcing viral videos never ends well

>>3922945
I like the idea of hiring one or several popular youtube voices to read a script for the animation or something.
Yogscat, or Ytazhee, or soemthing. I like names beginning with "Y".

>>3922954
yeah, i was thinking about reading it myself but i sound afwul on the mic.

i might try to find a proper comedy writer to spruce up the script too.

but on a budget of $0.00, might be tough

>>3922954
>Yogscat
Oh wow. I need to use this one elsewhere.

>Ytazhee
>ee-tah-zee
Y'tazi? I like it. I should misspell things more often.

>>3922956
I wonder if we could convince the Man With The Golden Voice to narrate it?

>>3922956
>but on a budget of $0.00, might be tough
Actually, all we need to do if get the idea to them, and surely one of them will like the idea enough to do a collab for a short documentary.

Seriously, Youtube personalities are hella influential.

>>3922940

Yes and no.

1) It's not passive if you're actively powering the pump system.
2) Boiling can help, but there are plenty of things that could survive. From Thermophile bacteria to twigs, there's stuff that either wouldn't be killed, or is already dead but needs to be removed.

>>3922967

Phillip DeFranco would probably be keen. Or the VlogBrothers

>>3922970
>1) It's not passive if you're actively powering the pump system.
I was considering something like solar power? Maybe thermal sterling engines using some of the boiled water as their water source?

>2) Boiling can help, but there are plenty of things that could survive. From Thermophile bacteria to twigs, there's stuff that either wouldn't be killed, or is already dead but needs to be removed.
You mean things other than equally small chemicals float up on steam into the condensation pipes?
I was more concerned with just making 95% clean water for drinking or irrigation purposes in poorer areas of the world, for all that they indigenous folk would actually appreciate it.

>>3922966
>>3922967
>>3922983
all depends on if they like the script
i've written a bit of it, but i'm not particularly comedic so it might not work out. i'd probably run any revisions by /sci/ proper for accuracy and projected appeal to the layman

>>3922983
NOT DEFRANCO HOLY SHIT

>>3922988
>>3922983
>>3922967
>>3922966
>>3922956
>>3922954
I really, really like being here to watch this form.
It reminds me of the time that /v/ got it's shit together after realizing the only people Notch listens to is Reddit.
Four whole threads over the autosage, all about supporting and spamming the reddit topic. IT was awesome,a nd I'll never see the likes of it again on /v/.
The result, which hasn't changed since that day:

www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/kq89v/cubic_chunks_increases_the_performance_of_the/


Fun fact: Notch actually responded, and Jeb (the actual coder) got into contact with the creator, but Notch said "Uh, Nope, it won't work because old reason x" even though it was specifically made to work in spite of x.

polite sage

Anything nuclear is bad! You can make all the videos you want, but until you somehow change that knee jerk reaction, no one is going to watch them.

>>3922995
How about this guy? I don't know how to contact him, though, but I can trawl the archives, since it was evened a stickied topic.
http://vocaroo.com/?media=vlswH0g2YxMDzfzjn
http://vocaroo.com/?media=vNpxKjbPRsVjXYvwH
http://vocaroo.com/?media=v9y7FOoiWU2AoM9D1
http://vocaroo.com/?media=v0U3uz54Wfy3ZA8W8
http://vocaroo.com/?media=vWZfQ09Q6DREE15eo

>>3923004
technically this formed like five months ago right after i did my homework and realized a backyard LFTR was just beyond feasible, and realized it's probably better to stay as an activist for the moment so i don't get FBI'd for breeding weapons or something. i've just been so busy with college i never really go around to working more on it.


>>3923008
i fully realize that. How i word the title of the video, and how i construct the first three seconds of video are THE MOST CRUCIAL aspects of this, because that's within the "i'm bored time, to play call of duty" timeframe. i'm still stumped on how to hook people with that.

>>3923011
>http://vocaroo.com/?media=vWZfQ09Q6DREE15eo
he could be fun as an extra voice to use for the mocking news anchor or something

>>3923008
>knee jerk reaction
Hey, what are you talking about?
I was on Omegle the other day, and all I had to say was:
>Wanna hear something interesting?
>"sure"
>You know how radioactive waste is why nuclear reactors are bad, right?
>"Yeah"
>Well, they managed to create a reactor that's not only absolutely safe, but also gets rid of all that nuclear waste.
>"Wait, so is that was they use now?"
>Nope. It got canceled in the nineties.
>"really?"

And the next three hours i extolled the virtues of the IFR, and then the LFTR.
Poor guy/girl didn't even know how radiation worked.

>>3923038
that might work as a video introduction actually

>>3923044
want me to put up my whole omegle conversation? I got her hooked using the whole radiation=cancer thing.
It a lot wrong though, but carried the idea well.

>>3923052
no the whole conversation, i just meant that first few sentences

>>3923056
ok, gimme a few.

>>3923056
not the whole*

>>3923008
> Anything nuclear is bad! You can make all the videos you want, but until you somehow change that knee jerk reaction, no one is going to watch them.

THIS! American's won't accept nuclear power. PERIOD. They refuse to be educated about it. And when the full reality of the end of Cheap Oil hits, they will STILL scream against nuclear power.

>>3923059
here you go.

>>3923070
Yes they will, but it has to be on a personal basis. Which is why we are thinking of using Youtube for our purposes: it's very personal.
IMagine your favorite youtube icon telling you about this awesome new technology that the MAN IS KEEPING SUPPRESSED. almost everyone would be up in arms about it, especcially if we get enough icons supporting it.

>>3923079
I forgot to mention, it's full of science fail.

>>3923079
>THE MAN IS KEEPING SUPPRESSED
i think that's kind of harsh
the real story is that it's just too weird, and doesn't fit into any buisness models, it's not a david and goliath thing, more like a tragic case of oversight

>>3923087
>i think that's kind of harsh
Well yes. The point is that we need to talk to the DERP that fills most peoples brains in lieu of an actual education and hearsay.

>>3923094
but i like actual education :(

>>3923098
So do I, friend.
But if you read my omegle pic, you'll realize that most people don't have an education, and even some of us who do, like me, barely know what we are talking about or how to explain it.

We need lots and lots of diagrams.
and comedic timing.
and a lots of actual fact without expounding on it.
Then seal the deal with something they can relate to or vent their newfound loss of faith in humanity at, i.e. ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWER

>>3923098
Actually, first step will have to be to get someone like Mad Scientist, to write up something short and sweet and full of juicy information and facts that we can disperse to various icons online.
If we can't compress it into something worth reading, we have no chance.

By the way,t here is more than enough drama in IRL politics surrounding the LFTR and IFR to keep people interstesd and invested int he "story" of the program, so we can just include that.

>>3923079
> Yes they will, but it has to be on a personal basis. Which is why we are thinking of using Youtube for our purposes: it's very personal.

You obviously don't understand U.S. culture. Dude, NUCLEAR POWER IS DEAD in the United States. Homos can't marry and they'll kill anyone for more oil. That's what makes the U.S. so special: It's like kids with knives. Sharp ones, too!

>>3923118
Dude, I LIVE IN TEXAS.

>>3923113
>But if you read my omegle pic, you'll realize that most people don't have an education, and even some of us who do, like me, barely know what we are talking about or how to explain it.
that's the trick, isn't it? to educate the public on their own terms, this is what i'm trying to do, to get the average layman up to an "informed" level of knowledge about the subject, which is why i'm a FIERCE proponent of quick concept introductions, instead of just mindlessly listing off features or concepts with no attempt to deliver the impact of those features

for instance, teach a man that liquids expand with heat, and that liquid nuclear fuel grows hotter as it gets denser, THEN start talking about lftr being a dynamically stable system, and the freeze plug

if you just say to his face "it's really safe honest", they're not going to believe you

>>3923118
>>3923121
i like in southern mississippi, what now?
man, they're really nice people and happy people, but they are duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumb

>>3923124
>for instance, teach a man that liquids expand with heat, and that liquid nuclear fuel grows hotter as it gets denser, THEN start talking about lftr being a dynamically stable system, and the freeze plug
I know that. I was assuming that was a given. I somewhat tried to do that in my omegle chat, as much as I could.

>>3923126
>southern mississippi
Owch.
You win this one.

>>3923038
LFTR produces strontium-90, cesium-137, rhodium, Technetium-99, molybdenium-99, Iodine131, Xenon, Rhutenium

>>3923145
most of those are relatively short lived and are captured by the vacuum distillation process where they can cool down
hell you could probably have them dump into a lead box and slap a heat sink on the bitch to cool it down. the amounts produced at any one time are small enough for that to work.

even the longer lived fellows aren't that much of a problem because
1) longer lived = less radiation, especially non-harmful if they aren't absorbed by your body (low radio-toxicity)
2) trapped by the filtering process anyway.

i mean even in a terrorist attack scenario, the molten salt would trap most of the bad stuff anyway.

>>3923070

Yea its all America that hates it, its not like Germany is trying to completely stop production of all nuclear energy or France is eyeing reducing their nuclear production.

the DoE has all rights to lease out the technology for small nuclear reactors like those on submarines for commercial use, but will not release the rights. the only reason that small nuclear reactors are not being deployed to power the grids of America and the world is the lack of the go-ahead from the DoE.

>>3923153

France is going full-on nuclear, but it's only Gen4 reactors which aren't utterly bad but not LFTR-tier.

>>3923153
i will never stop making fun of them for that
i mean shit, just look at this
http://www.holovaty.com/youtube-insult-generator/#nuclear

>>3923145
See, that's the kind of inormation we DON'T extol to the masses. THey don't want it, they don't have any idea what it means, so they won't like it.
It'll be like an amerifat being fed by a 5-star chef without knowing the importance of it.

>>3923170
that smell suspiciously of covering up important information, guy.
don't do that, confront it head on

>>3923121
> Dude, I LIVE IN TEXAS.

Then how are you this fucking ignorant.

OH WAIT IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE AN AMERICAN.

Half of the nation spends its time trying to con the other half.

You're going to get NOWHERE with your stupid fucking plan, but since you're a dipshit asstard American, YOU CAN'T BE TOLD ANY DIFFERENT.

Carry on, American. Chump.

>>3923168
>nuclear
>You love poo but hate farts. He farted, live with it! #

>You need your diapers changed. #

>You are german. #

That's all i get, everytime.

>>3923175
i guess i'm too much of a hopeful idealist, eh?
>>3923177
EXACTLY

>>3923175
Now you are just being horribly depressing.

There's a line between realism and pessismism, and you've clearly passed it.

>>3923182
>EXACTLY
I don't get it.
I get the cultural references of farting and the shit, but... what else?

>>3923186
oh, i meant
>you are german
is now an INSULT

>>3923190
OH.

Weird.

I mean, up until the whole nuclear panic, I always considered the germans to be the sensible, hard-working folk we should all aspire to be as practical as.

But then again, that weird panic...
Yeah, I guess germans are kinda stupid now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vid=P9M__yYbsZ4
should i feel bad that i'm distracted by the cute asian chick's absolutely amazingly sexy british voice?
i'm having trouble concentrating here

>>3923199
it doesn't load, just takes me to the front page. What's the title?

>>3923211
weird, guess i need the full link?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vid=P9M__yYbsZ4&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_1735&am
p;v=OVQ0NvEcyqw

>>3923118

>>3923214
No i don't blame you for the distraction.
The way she says "Oh, really" grates on my nerves though.

>>3923219
My knife is a valuable tool. I use it for eating food, opening packages, fucking up those shitty blister packs, etc. Everyone should carry a knife.

Why not just propose LFTR to Gulf States? They need another industry, once their oil runs out, very soon.

Once the welfare checks in gulf states run out then bye bye Monarchy.

>>3923257
*Persian Gulf that is

>>3923257
>>3923267
It's nuclear, Why would the 1st world (US) let them?

How would an LFTR work in the low-gravity of the Moon?
How would it work in zero-g?
Is the design that 'robust' for lack of a better term?

>>3923182
> i guess i'm too much of a hopeful idealist, eh?

You said it. Americans won't accept nuclear power, and the plants we do have will shut down one by one. Our nuclear industry (like with France's) was largely just a support exercise from our nuclear military development. But it's ruined Americans from even considering Thorium.

China will have Thorium reactors. We will not. We're going to devolve into a COAL society, and the greenfags will have to screech until they get aneurysms. By then, we'll need power, and no one will care what the greenies say... much like nobody cares what YOU say about nuclear power NOW.

The USA is ruled by stupidity and greed. The next possible ruling emotion is a very distant third.

>>3923272
They're buying French nuclear NPP models (Just did)
They're buying Japanese solar panels (Just did)

And the US goes full retard, with the LFTR ace up its sleeve and instead of playing that card, slits its wrists.

>>3923279
you might have to pressurize the thing slightly in order to keep the salt flowing smoothly.

in a zero g environment, it'd be simpler just to have the thing be an all-in-one counterweight and have your craft spin with it

>>3923279

There's a problem in that without gravity, you'd have trouble utilizing the freeze plug mechanism which allows risk of a meltdown.

>>3923279

There's a problem in that without gravity, you'd have trouble utilizing the freeze plug mechanism which prevents risk of a meltdown.

Well, "meltdown" in the sense of the moderator melting down, not the fuel melting down... because the fuel is already a liquid, you see.

>>3923300
actually that's an interesting question, if you melt your moderator in with your fuel salt, would it allow for a runaway scenario? i'm not entirely sure as to the dynamics of graphite and thermal neutrons
it's possible that the moderator distributed within the fuel salt actually makes the reaction stop entirely.

http://www.larouchepac.com/nuclear

any thoughts?

>>3923442
>not even a mention of thorium or lftr
it's possible they're not actually aware of it yet

>>3924777

Yes. I recently talked to a man doing his PhD in nuclear engineering who was not even aware of the molten salt reactor concept, he thought I was talking only about molten metal coolant (sodium) when I mentioned MSR, and when I clarified it was salt not pure metal but salt, he said: "interesting, I never heard about such concept".

The point is, awareness about the whole MSR concept, not just LFTR is very low. As Kirk Sorensen said, you can pass whole nuclear engineering course and never hear about it. But I am sure with recent thorium news it will slowly change :)

>>3924832
it's rather disparaging isn't it?

well anyway, about those youtube videos, i've been considering putting some kind of contest to go with them, that if i say something inaccurate or false people can email be about it and they'll get $20 for spotting the inaccuracy

>>3924847
You still around? Perhaps we could set up some sort of online communications group to discuss this attempt further?

>>3925495
I'm always around.
Well not really but whatever.
I'll probably set up an irc or something once i get an actual video out

>>3925512
Ok, I just called up the LarouchPac guys, and guess what I found out:

1: they do 'know' about LFTR, but they are pushign for pebble-bed reactors, with the long range 'goal' of fusion reactors.

2: they are trying to destroy the 'hoax' that is the 2nd Law of thermodynamics in favor of a more optimistic universal standpoint.

>What.

He directed me to 'The Basement' section, and is did a search, here:
http://www.larouchepac.com/search?cx=003993789013424804052%3Axe-pmsvn7bw&cof=FORID%3A11&quer
y=2nd+law+of+thermodynamics&op=Search&form_build_id=form-f7da14baeba99aa9066a7e750602b6a7&am
p;form_id=google_widget_box

>>3923318

The way I understand it, it can't have a truly runaway scenario. The fluoride solution expands when heated, making the atoms composing it spread farther apart, making the reactions occur less often, making the heating slow down inversely as it gets hotter.

However, melting the moderator could possibly make it into a loop of heating and cooling in the chamber. Seems like a much more salvageable situation than a true "normal" meltdown, but a troublesome issue that I would not know how to resolve.


Freeze plug mechanism prevents this all from happening, of course.

I'd rather go with an HTGR. Brayton Cycles, ftw.

What does Ron Paul and his ilk think of LFTR?

>>3925533
well, pebblebed is a nice thing to go for, but it's just not quite as attractive as a lftr in terms of fuel cost, safety, and dependability

>>3922839
LFTR in 5 Minutes
>lasts 2 hours.

Do it the same way the transcontinental railroad got built, and the same way everything else gets done.

Once we can give congressional kickbacks for it, it happens.

>>3925815
How did the world convince themselves that chemical production plants, oil refineries are safer than even early Gen I/II nuclear?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz73rcdSG80

I don't see Germany banning chemical plants.

0, the # killed from Daiichi losing control from all reactors and suppression pools for 30 days.

No, but that deserves 1,000,000x more coverage than Union Carbide's debacle that whipped out half a city in their sleep.

>>3925867

There is a serious and irrational fear surrounding anything even remotely related to the word "radiation" Things were better off when the US had the Ol' Atomic Energy Commission

>>3925867
It could be from the # killed by atomic bombs.

But hay, don't let your irattional imagination stop there.

>>3925867
>>3925867
Chemical Plants tend to be located in the middle of nowhere for the most part, and their accidents are mostly hidden/affect few people in the first world in the long run (and even then, they kinda did get unsafe, there is a reason why most newer chemical plants are built in the boonies!)

See. you don't even need new designs, all you need is high standards for watch standers, good training, and to demand excellence from your plant operations on all levels. I mean my bosses have ran plants which are "unsafe" in theory but never have had accidents just because we have high standards. Overdesign and complex research is at best a crapshoot when we have good existing technology.

>>3926148

Lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KuGizBjDXo

Even being that isolated it still injured people from breaking glass in towns miles away

>>3922839
You convince them that without nuclear power, they aren't going to be able to watch their huge flatscreen TV's anymore, which means no watching football games and NASCAR all weekend long, and we won't be able to continue powering and expanding the Internet or run their computers, so no more free Internet porn to fap to all night long during the week (when there isn't any NASCAR or football to watch). That'll get their attention.

>>3926148
> Chemical Plants tend to be located in the middle of nowhere for the most part

Yeah, in the USA. That's because the nation runs on CHEAP OIL, which is why it's even possible to site a factory far from where people live. In the Third World without Cheap Oil to fuel commuting, people MUST live close to the workplace.

And that will be visited upon the USA, since the Cheap Oil is now GONE and Not-So-Cheap Oil will force more and more people to reduce or stop commuting. They will either move to the factories, or the factories will move to them.

>>3926213
Or more public electric transportation will appear with nuclear power.

>>3926213
Uh, most of the chemical plants tend to be in districts with their own power plants and rail lines. Even with expensive oil, trains using worst case scenario converted coal or most likely battery/diesel hybrid engines can transport chemicals cheaply. Trains are not going away anytime soon, and they can enable far away infrastructure to work.

>>3926103

You do realize that bomb grade Highly Enriched Uranium isn't the same stuff as the enriched Uranium that's used in reactors, and that Heavy Water Reactors like the CANDU require very little if any enrichment at all? The idea that Nuclear Reactors, even Generation I/IIs, are pressurized nuclear bombs just waiting to go off is wrong on so many levels it hurts.

>>3926288
Can we discuss for a moment that reality of a dirty bomb is greater than even hiroshima?

>>3926323
indeed, this is the real security concern at power plants these days

it'd take a very skilled infiltration team a long time to depressurize and extract fuel from the reactor, and not die from it, but once they have that stuff in hand they can cause some serious damage

...

again, assuming they have all the equipment to transport the still intensely hot fuel rods. which i doubt they will, but this is post 9/11 america damnit, anything can happen at any point for any reason to be paranoid about it anyway

>>3926230
> Uh, most of the chemical plants tend to be in districts with their own power plants and rail lines.

The WORKERS don't get to the chemical factory via the cables and rails, dipshit.

The problem is so huge that Americans can't even SEE IT.

>Gentlemen, we must educate america about nuclear energy, >and get them to care enough to do something about it.

Annual pay: $35,000

Any takers?

>>3926323
Eh, dirty bombs are HARD to make because getting good radiosources is hard. Much easier to get fertilizer and a truck, and as Oklahoma city shows, its devastating!

>>3926323

Sure, but the lethality is much less, and certainly a lot less than a biological or chemical weapon, and newer reactors, particularly Thorium, are even harder to make bombs from. It would be a lot easier to get Radioisotopes from unguarded ex-soviet waste dumps than it would ever be to get from an American reactor.

>>3926343
No, sorry

Dirty bombs are easy to make:

Conventional Bomb + Radioactive material = AWESOME BOMB

Who the fuck are you?

>>3926341
depends on what you're proposing to do for that price
continue

>>3926335
HAHAHAAHAHAH
hahahah
haha
you have no idea how hard it would be to do this without dying painfully, being SHOT multiple times, and having SWAT/security teams on you. Nuke plants (and anything nuclear) is a pain in the butt to enter.

>>3926360
Where can you find a good radiosource that won't kill you/will be remotely lethal? I mean hell, thanks to 9-11 radiosources are pretty much a FBI flag as is!

>>3926369
i know right?
proliferation concerns are kind of hilarious to entertain, due to the soaring improbability of it happening

>>3922839
>>3922839
Jesus christ every time I come on /sci/ there's a fucking thread posted by you bitching about this. Can we fucking sort out the rest of this countries fucking problems first? The money doesn't come out of nowhere you fucking moron. Give us a decade or so to recover from the financial crises currently ensuing.

>>3926407
actually, putting forward a thorium economy solves a lot of problems

1) rare earth mining can be profitable again, since there is demand to remove thorium instead of it being waste

2) pretty significant electrical power output for not a lot of space and moderate start up cost, we can start de-commissioning other plants

3) america can start selling the designs to other countries for big profits, as well as thorium fuel capsules and all that.

>>3926407
here you go. enjoy eating your words with A-1 steak sauce.

>>3926425
>>3926465
>>3926425
>>3926465
I'm not fucking saying it wouldn't solve any problems. You can no comprehension skills do you two? I'm saying we need the fucking money to build.
>NEED MONEY TO BUILD
>CAN'T KEEP FUCKING PRINTING MONEY WHEN WE ARE ALREADY IN DEBT
When we have a chance to build them, then yeah I completely agree. In the mean time, go read up on economics.

>>3926487
>>CAN'T KEEP FUCKING PRINTING MONEY WHEN WE ARE ALREADY IN DEBT
If only that were true.

>>3926487
we're not completely broke yet, but yes start up funds are going to be troublesome
which is why many in the thorium alliance are pushing for a very very cheap proof of concept reactor, rather than an honest to goodness lftr at first

>>3926487

We have a chance to build them, it wouldn't cost more than a few billion. Cut the TSA's funding and give it to a LFTR program. Problem solved

>>3926506
That reminds me of how the cost for overseas airconditioning was rounding out to about 20 billion a year.

>>3926528
military airconditioning for out forces in the middle east, that is.

>>3926504

>a very very cheap proof of concept reactor

Isn't that what the MSRE was in the first place?

>>3926540

Yes, but nobody would accept something built in the 60's as a modern proof of concept. Even if they are the same thing

>>3926552
i guess it's time to break out the chrome and bring in the design stuedents, then, eh?

>>3926740

I think all that needs to be done is show everyone what a LFTR power plant would look like compared to a Coal, Gas or even LWR power plant. Seeing a power plant as being something clean, not spewing anything out of smoke stacks (Even if it is just steam) would change a lot of peoples minds

>>3926755
Also, the size.
have the tourists be given or told to bring geiger counters, and show them how bloody safe it is even close up, and then start powering a tesla lightshow or seomthing.

Would it be crazy to think that possibly, just maybe, if the NRC wasn't being a bag of dicks, or if it was being built in another country, that a grassroots effort between interested students, engineers, and non-investment bank sized investors (say, actual people investing, not institutions) that a LFTR could be built without government support, and without the massive political capital needed to get the government to even consider De-regulating nuclear in a manner that would make building LFTR possible?

>>3926812
yes, thats crazy.

NUCLEAR MATERIAL IS STILL HAZARDOUS WASTE.

>Every year
>Train hauling Cl2
>Crashes
>Towns along rail line evacuated
>2 min mention in local news

>Wars
>For oil
>$2 Trillion to sustain unsustainable energy source

Welcome to Earth!
Motto: Derp

>>3926922
pretty much

>>3926812
Substantial expertise and funding is a must, considering the technological sophistication of this machine and the price of its materials. Government support isn't the only way of getting this, but it is the easiest. Also, there's insurance costs to contend with. Other than that, no. However, this would likely have the exact opposite effect of de-regulating nuclear.