/sci/ - Science & Math

scientists are the silent heroes. they arent appreciated, and yet nobody would have anything without them

you now realize that mainstream media is shit

>>3899705
it's not just the media that i've a problem with, it's those millions of assholes that don't give credit where credit is due

>>3899690
You forgot the part where Jobs basically tried to treat his cancer with alternative medicine.

Was Dennis Ritchie charismatic or inspiring?

I don't think so. So why should he receive as much praise as Jobs?

Furthermore: would someone like Dennis Ritchie need to be praised? Jobs gave people what they wanted whereas Ritchie created implementations that would allow people to give people what they wanted. Sure he contributed, but he just created frameworks for someone like Jobs to fill in the pieces.

This is just a consequence of peoples needs. When people want something, they want it to work, they don't necessarily want to know how it works.
Jobs gave people a working thing: that is why he is praised. Ritchie made it work, but not as many people care (or even know).

I think you just want to be able to look down on everyone for not knowing who he was to feed some sort of superiority complex. You don't actually care about Ritchie.

>>3899737
Can't go on chemo if you're going spend half your time dying trying to make more money.

>>3899749
Sure, he gave people what they wanted, but is it that hard to step back and think

>Why am I praising this guy?

and realise that at the end of the day the technology was nothing new, exciting or that innovative.

>>3899737

Of course you mean by "basically he tried to", that "He fucking tried to and it made one of the most mild forms of pancreatic cancer caught early turn into the disease which would eventually kill him because he put his faith in methods with no evidence behind them". I don't generally like to speak ill of the dead, but it really seems a shame to me that someone with all the financial resources you could ask for lucks out and gets one of the least aggressive forms of pancreatic cancer (which are generally of the fuck you up before you know what hit you variety) and catches it EARLY just chooses to believe that a healthy diet with make it magically go away.

>>3899690

http://hq.deviantart.com/blog/44782758/
>What other artists or inventors do you know of who have made contributions as great as Leonardo Da Vinci or Steve Jobs?
>For me, Steve Jobs is an icon. The John Lennon of our time.

>>3899776
10/10

>>3899749

Except Jobs didn't fill any of the pieces. He paid other people to do that. Hell, he wasn't even the creative force behind the devices. He just ok'd them and sold the public on the ideas.

Don't get me wrong, he was a fantastic CEO, and he very intentionally set up his business in such a way as to allow for that creativity to happen and be fostered, but he did not do any of it himself. He just knew when to get it out of the way and was ridiculously charismatic.

Dennis Ritchie actually contributed something to the world himself. Something which every Mac OS user is indebted to every time they turn on their computer.

James Randi was a dick of a lot older than Jobs, had a much worse cancer, went on chemo, kept working, and recovered.

Realistically, what did Steve Jobs contribute that made an actual significant contribution to society? I mean, his products were a tad on the innovative side but by such a significant degree that he deserves all this attention?

It's like a god damned cult.

>>3899793
>>3899788

This is pretty much spot on.

The man deserves credit, he was a great marketer and a great public speaker.

But he didn't INVENT these things or push the technology. He may have contributed to the big picture, but he would not have been the sole or even major creative force. The headlines should be making mention of his business and marketing skills and leaving it at that, not treating him like some lone wolf inventor that single handedly revolutionised the world.

>>3899793
it's exactly what it is.

what was apple's market share again?

>>3899787
IIRC, Jobs had liver cancer, which is pretty much terminal in 100% of cases.

>>3899803
I'm fairly convinced that Rupert Murdoch bought millions of shares of Apple and told the media to glorify Jobs' death as much as possible so hip faggots would go buy an iPad in his memory.

steve was alright when he helped form apple back in the day, but after he quit apple the first time he stopped doing anything useful

>>3899812
Pancreatic, it spread to his liver because of his shit medicine. Besides, he stole a healthy liver from Tennessee anyway

10/10

>>3899827
You're right, spread to his liver. It was also apparently a less lethal form of pancreatic cancer. Who knows, maybe he could have survived on chemo and eating right.

>>3899834
>admitting you're wrong
>not making shit up
>/sci/

>>3899776
>>3899776
Comparing Steve Jobs to leonado de vinci ISHYGDDT.

The Lennon one might be fair thought since they both had those funny glasses but at least most of Lennons music was original barley any of Steve Jobs were

>>3899823
no, no, everyone in the States are just gay for shitty proprietary computers.

AOL

can we agree that jobs was more like the Edison of our time?

>>3899850
That's a fair comparison.

>>3899706
>thinks computer science is actually a science
laughingabelmans.png

>>3899856
Although the average person probably doesn't realize that Edison was a grifty, corrupt, felonious piece of shit.

>>3899850
yeh exactly edison was the douche that kept tesla down

>>3899861
inb4 tesla defence force

Yeah, it was really fucking shit, but I don't want to hear about it for the 2,000th time.

>>3899871
mm this.

I think we all know that edison was a douche. not much need to go too far beyond that.

Your wish shall be granted.

i really do hate the human race...

It's OK, not everybody is a programmer, but almost everybody knows Apple

>>3899737

>alternative medicine
>organ transplant

Pick one.

computer science may not actually be science, but does it make money anymore? I have a friend who's started majoring in CS and raving like the world will be his oyster when he graduates.

Me, i just cant decide on EE or physics.

>>3900359

You need to fucking love circuits if you are going to be an EE. If you don't have a hardon for resistors, capacitors, inductors, independant/dependant voltage/current sources
and the like, don't bother with that shit.

>>3900361
I'm an electronics hobbyist, and i want to work in technology. I wouldn't say i have a hardon for it, but it comes pretty easy and i make some fun gadgets. I would rather major in physics, but i like money.

Not to spew a sob story, but i went to inner city Chicago to visit relatives: and i remember why i want money. Just one visit to that shithole is enough to convince me to do whatever i can to never end up there again.

I would go for physics but theres not alot of money, or nuke engineering, but its not exactly in vogue. i hope for our nation that will change but im not going to bet my career on it.

>>3900356
No, he tried alternative medicine (homeopathy etc.) before he surrendered himself to the hands of the evil scientific medicine.

It's been suspected that the delay in getting proper treatment pretty directly led to his death, since timeliness is pretty important when treating cancer.

So, I guess charlatans sometimes do manage to accidentally do good deeds.

>>3900372

Go for EE, you can read about physics on your own time. Money is freedom, get some!

Haven't met many scientists that did it for the fame. It's a path that seems to warrant a true love for the game. From what I know about Mr. Ritchie is that he was a very private person. He's getting his recognition in the tech communities and being a very private person, I doubt he'd want it any other way.

You have to give Steve Jobs credit though; not as a scientific genius, but as someone who put technology in the hands of ordinary people This did two things:

1) Created an understanding of computers, made the technology relevant and interesting - encouraging further investment.

2) Made a lot of people's work more efficient. Saving resources, moving humans closer to the day where everything will be automatic, and we can just sit around doing physics all day.

Dennis Ritchie is one of the greatest programmers of all time and I'm going to let you finish, but to be fair scientists really need to stop whining little bitches, get up off their ass and play the system. They need to use their intelligence for something other than science, they need to help shape society and make the world a better place, in terms of benefit per cost-risk ratios this would be far a better use of their intellectual resources, maybe then scientists wouldn't be considered "nerds" who exist to provide shiny gadgets and money for jocks, ivy league playboys and poser "gangstas" and then maybe the media wouldn't be the way it is.

>>3900554
Scientists and engineers both have great ideas for changing the world, but the world doesn't want to change.
Humans want money, and respect primarily. It lets them get things they want, like power, the opposite sex of their liking, luxuries and so forth. They will pursue this before any goal we set.

After those things, they want to feel safe. This leads them back to money, since money gives security. Any threat to their security, financial or otherwise, is shot down. just look at nuclear power, or genetic engineering. they would rather fear them, oppose them, and in doing so make them think they made themselves safe. They cling to fairytales so they can feel safe from death

And that leads us to the final motivation, and that is smugness. A person who can feel good about what they do without violating the previous motivations, will think very well of themselves.

What can idea men do against such reckless selfishness?