/sci/ - Science & Math

Pfft, like these predictions are ever accurate.

The real 2045: A new iPhone comes out, the whatever war still sucks, they took our jobs, etc.

>>3884209
This.

>>3884209
and, now you've predicted it, it won't happen like that! thank you anon! maybe it will be better.....

....i mean it'll be worse. much worse.

I can't wait until I literally become a mindless drone just to afford energy and maintenance!

>>3884214

Yeah, but at least we'll be around.

Kurzweil is a lunatic, don't listen to him.

>>3884222
He has a pretty good track record.

>>3884222

Not a lunatic, just a speculator.

His occupation may be in science, but when he gets to talking about "the future" there's no science there. Just speculation and extrapolation based on trends.

>>3884228

... of what? Predicting things? Doesn't really add to his credibility.

>>3884228
> He has a pretty good track record.

Of what? Selling stuff? Speaking tours? What exactly forms his record of success, that leads to him having the credibility to predict something as radical as Human immortality via cyborgization?

How many billionaires have managed to swing their vast wealth towards life extension? Oh wait, that number is ZERO. Where there is a lack of incremental improvement, it's foolish to start predicting any advances. That's Krazy Kurzy's singular failure.

How does it feel knowing that if I become a cyborg, the chances of others living forever are dramatically lowered?

>>3884238
Mmkay.

>>3884257

>The real 2045: A new iPhone comes out
>The real 2000. Computers the size of buildings that can only be brought be the 3 richest kings of Europe.
I doubt we will become immortals but to say nothing will change? 15 years ago the iphone wasn't even thought of

Sure, we need to fully understand the quantum world and be able to calculate and predict our human physiology. This will require quite the computational output, a capacity we are lacking in terms of the scale of computing a complete human, in a real time scale.

It feels pretty good, honestly.

>>3884201
i am intrigued by your philosophy and would like to subscribe to your newsletter

where do you singularityfags hang out when you're not here?

...the matrix is real...

>>3884827

Lies. At some level of detail there's no real, distinguishable, macroscale difference in the abstract reasoning of an upload whether you run its brain in Gaussian or AbInit. You don't have to simulate every quark, not every electron, not every atom, not every molecule, probably not every protein.

What you need is neuromorphic hardware running a half-abstract (Equations representing events that determine whether synapses fire or not) and half-detailed (Sub-cellular detail of the neuron's structure in some cases for proper virtual conductivity along the axons).

>>3885242

The daily newsletter informing transhumanists of fake and made up facts is the postbiota tt mailing list.

>>3884765

the iphone, not thought of? NO! THAT'S NOT TRUE! TELL ME IT AINT SO!

Why do people always use the iPhone as an example? For FUCK's sake there has to be a more interesting technology.

How about gene sequencing, which experts thought was going to take ages? How about scanning probe microscopy?

>>3885250
and transhumanists would be....

Kurzweil is bogus

I don't care whether the Singularity happens or not. It's irrelevant. What matters is that sitting around waiting for an invisible AI to whisk you away to nerdtopia is wish-fulfillment and counter-productive.

>People anticipating practical immortality look at me like some kind of raving mad Luddite when I try to convince them that if they are to have any meaningful chance at truly long term survival, they are going to have to act, work very hard, and have a hell of a lot of luck in the bargain. This sense of complacency isn’t due only to Ray Kurzweil, and it would be very disingenuous to suggest that this is so, Rather, it is the result of a multiplicity of factors, not the least of which are the sense of entitlement which is a side effect of affluenza, coupled with the sad reality that onto two generations of people in the West no longer actually MAKE THINGS, or work with their hands. All of the “dirty” and “hands on business” of wrestling with matter to MAKE it OBEY us, has been shipped away to remote corners of the globe where pathetically ignorant and credulous people have been willing to exchange their blood, sweat and tears (literally) for worthless chits of green paper.

Well, if I could live much longer with a body in a good shape, I'll sign.
But I don't believe it will happen in my lifetime anyway.

Why would anyone want to be a cyborg. You're basically throwing away what makes you alive.

as a true scientist, I would DIE before becoming a machine.

>>3885270
mark my words

my Lord will not suffer this abomination

>>3885279
What is it that makes us alive?

>>3885279
You already are a machine. Where do your thoughts come from?

>>3885270

You clearly do not understand the lessons of the Industrial Revolution.

The fact is that humans have ALREADY been made obsolete in the agricultural sector, industrial sector, and now increasingly the services sector as well.

The fact that humans have been made redundant obsolete is a fact of life, whether you accept it or not.

No amount of your hard work is going to surpass a robot who is orders of magnitudes smarter, stronger, faster and more knowledgeable than you could ever be.

Rapture for nerds hasn't happened yet?

>>3885292
Our brains do not simulate machines, but machines simulate our brains.

>>3885297
Machines mimic other machines. Big deal.

>>3885296
no, not yet, but soon

>>3885293

Come back when the Yudkowsky has his AI waifu's bugs all ironed out. Actually, just post here when SIAI gets its first researcher with a PhD. Or when anyone in the mainstream of the AI industry attempts to make AGI rather than domain-specific AI.

>>3885297
fucking agree.

No matter how much we deny it, computers are man made and are increasingly replicating thought processes inspired by humanity.

>>3885305
please translate that into english for the uninitiated such as myself. thank you.

I stumbled upon this thread to only think that not many people of /sci/ have been through ethics in science courses.

>>3885306
Brains aren't replicating thought processes? Brains aren't man-made?

>>3885310

Come back when somebody makes an artificial general intelligence.

>>3885311

>ethics

>>3885318

Why is that relevant to anything?

>>3885316
brains...man made?

naw brains are a product of consistent evolution, or god. However you take it. Its development (generational) is very little in our control.

>>3885318
i won't be here then

i want to know where they are in the planning stages

Listen, what I'm basically saying is that technological determinism is retarded. Moore's Law is not a law of nature. The future is not a program written by Kurzweil. If you want to develop AI faster, smarter, infinitely more knowledgeable than I am, well I approve of it entirely, but waiting for it to happen is not going to do anything. This kind of certainty is the reason dreams stay as, well, dreams. Because "well it'll be a reality thirty years into the future anyways".

>>3885326
> brains are a product of consistent evolution, or god.
> computers are a product of humanity
> computers are a product of consistent evolution, or god.

All the same, just rearranged differently. I am a robot.

Don't really give a fuck about that, but when do we get these?

>>3885340
an organic, self-aware, self-healing, self-replicating, sentient robot capable of experiencing wonder and joy

what are we building into these new machine life forms?

>>3885336

Your argument is completely irrelevant.

The fact is that the technology IS being developed, and your luddism isn't going to prevent it from coming into existence.

The fact is that humans are being replaced everywhere and there is every reason to believe that humans will be obsolete some time in the near future.

Think of it this way.

1. Massive wealth and power awaits those who develop better AI and better machines.

2. AI has already surpassed humans in many fields. Machines have replaced humans in pretty much all physical work.

3. There is no physical law or barrier preventing AI from becoming smarter than humans in every aspect.

>>3885356
> an organic, self-aware, self-healing, self-replicating, sentient robot capable of experiencing wonder and joy
>what are we building into these new machine life forms?

All the same.

> organic
http://www.gizmag.com/organic-molecular-computer/15041/

> self-healing
http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/clay-dillow/culture-buffet/self-healing-metal-puts-bit-man-machine

> self-replicating
http://singularityhub.com/2009/04/09/3d-printing-and-self-replicating-machines-in-your-living-room-s
eriously/

> self-aware
http://www.ted.com/talks/hod_lipson_builds_self_aware_robots.html

>>3885373
are you a "transhumanist"?

>>3885378
what about the last bit? how will you compensate for a soul?

>>3885373

>luddism

Okay, I get it. You're either new, or a troll.

>1. Massive wealth and power awaits those who develop better AI and better machines.

Uh huh.

>2. AI has already surpassed humans in many fields. Machines have replaced humans in pretty much all physical work.

We still have construction workers, manufacturing plants still rely on humans to assemble parts made by machines.

>3. There is no physical law or barrier preventing AI from becoming smarter than humans in every aspect.

I'm not arguing that. Did you even read my post?

Transhumanists: worse than Jehova's Witnesses.

america in 2045

>>3885382

>soul

Are you serious?

The thing is, even if the technology to upload human consciousness into a machine does exist by that year, it's not like our minds will be able to escape our body. A very similar copy of us will exist inside of a computer, but that's it.

I'd rather see Stephen Hawking in an exoskeleton

>>3885400
yes

>>3885378
thanks for the links; i've skimmed them and they have affirmed my gut instinct

my Lord will not permit this abomination to go unchecked

It's the product of your own evolution to derive a sense of "self", that you must protect your "self", that you are "special" and that you must never seize to be. Keep clinging on to that raft, so that you may contribute only to the promotion of new developing "selves" that are not yours.

>>3885404

this is what happens when you misunderstand the concept of conciousness

>>3885410
> soul
What is that? Does not compute.

>>3885429
Sorry, what do you think would happen? What would happen to your "human shell?"

>>3885404

>A very similar copy of us will exist inside of a computer, but that's it.

Okay, captain. How the fuck do you go to sleep?

In other words, you die every time your stream of consciousness ends. Every morning, a different person wakes up with your appearance and memories, how is this "not you"?

You die when you sleep and someone else wakes up the next day, by the logic that something that replicates you perfectly "isn't you".

>>3885431
it does if you think you are an eternal being, and not a lump of meat

>>3885441
this is more of a cloning argument, isn't it?

>>3885441
How do you know it's the same you? It's only your brain telling you that it is. How would you know otherwise?

>>3885442
Enlighten me eternal one.

>>3885448
the brain is the most important human organ

but, what exactly is telling you that?

>>3885442

Guess what? You are not an eternal being. You are a little man trapped in a little body. And when that body dies, what happens? You die! You're gone! How can you cling so such a horrible concept as an immortal soul?

>>3885385

>We still have construction workers, manufacturing plants still rely on humans to assemble parts made by machines.

We already have fully automated factories. Construction workers can (and will) be automated in due time.

>>3885459
Right, and Transhumanism only works if you believe in an immortal soul.

>>ITT Transhumanists are mad because they're just wimpy religiousfags

>>3885454
life is a process, a winnowing, a gathering, of people who can be transformed into beings that will live forever, and beings that will not

the only thing constant about you your entire life is your soul, and the only thing that matters on an eternal scale is your soul's destination

you know you have a soul like you know you have a heart and lungs; you can deny, but deep down, where it counts, you know that you are a spiritual being

problem is, you're a broken spiritual being, and how you address this problem matters to you

>>3885471
Everything works regardless of what a single individual thinks.

>>3885468

>We already have fully automated factories. Construction workers can (and will) be automated in due time.

But how soon is due time? By 2045, right? "Experts" thought robots would be able to do anything a human could, by 1985. Hoping, not doing, is not going to get you anywhere.

>>3885459
because i do not reject, deny, or ignore reality, and the reality is, i was created to be an eternal companion of an eternal God

the other choice is the dustbin of the universe, which is an incinerator, where too the meaning of "eternal" plays out

>>3885477
Touching, but this tells me nothing about what a soul is.

>>3885477
>>3885488

How about a formal definition that is testable? Alternatively, you can leave, because this is the 'science' board.

>>3885480
>>can't refute

>>resorts to religion

>>3885490
your soul is you; your identity; your uniqueness; your talents; you. this body is one robe that it wears for this lifetime, and the next body you will wear will be indestructible

however, that can be a good thing, or that can be a bad thing; it's literally the difference between heaven and hell

>>3885502
Nope. That would be the ego.

Try again?

>2011
>not realizing the guy derping about "souls" is a troll

>>3885477
> you know you have a soul like you know you have a heart and lungs
This is just a straight-up lie, unfortunately. I "know" that I have a heart and lungs because I can look at medical images. If I need further proof, I can take an x-ray of myself.

>>3885497
a soul is that thing that differentiates humanity from all of the rest of creation, and is an image of the creator

you can play "what if there's no God" until the cows come home, but as astutely pointed out above, reality is not dependent on either your understanding of it, or your capitulation to it

>>3885507
> 2011
> not realizing no one cares if it's a troll or not

>>3885486

>But how soon is due time? By 2045, right? "Experts" thought robots would be able to do anything a human could, by 1985. Hoping, not doing, is not going to get you anywhere.

As soon as the technology is there. To make a prediction for the exact year is foolish. In any case the technology is already there (or almost there) and it's only a matter of commercial development and production.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081210144936.htm

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/22/builder_droid_bot_crack/

>>3885506
ego, id, and superego are psychological terms intended to replace "soul" with "more scientific" terms; they are not

the soul is indivisible, and cannot be negated by labelling it otherwise

>>3885508
are you telling me that you do not know that you have a soul?

is that why you're taking such shitty care of it?

>>3885513

>and it's only a matter of commercial development and production.

So, time. But why wait? Why not work towards it? You may not live to see it, so it can't hurt to try.

>>3885497
Right, but the nematode still exists, its mind isn't transfered into a computer. It's still there. So when you line up to be uploaded, a COPY of your brain will go away into the magic computer land, while your old and fat body is left here in the physical realm to grow old and die.

It's ok, every culture has their Apocalypse myths, and since we spend so much time in front of the computer its only natural that ours should be a computer based myth.

> a soul is that thing that differentiates humanity from all of the rest of creation, and is an image of the creator

So only humans have souls?

>becoming a cyborg

Great, i can finally achieve my dream.

>>3885521
What's the best way to care for your soul?

>>3885528
yes

>>3885521
That's what I'm telling you, and you don't "know" either. You *hope* that you do and you may even be convinced that you *know* that you do, but you have absolutely zero evidence, so you are simply choosing to believe it. You could also choose to believe that you're a unicorn, but your choice wouldn't make it true.

I am completely open to the possibility, and I'm hopeful that there's something more to this life than just the physical matter that I observe. But I have no proof and I must face the reality that all I have is hope. I will not enter the same state of delusion and denial that you have chosen.

>>3885522

I'm not specializing in programming AI, engineering or construction, so I'm probably not going to affect it in any significant way.

>>3885536
surrender it to your creator so that He can maintain and transform it

>>3885525

No, the nematode died. I'm sure there's a part that explicitly states a serial section is required.

>>3885502
Let me translate this guys words into science words.

The "soul" is the pattern of consciousness that exists within every human nervous system. The reactions to stimuli, the knowledge we've gained and the leaps that we can make.

>>3885540
my soul and spirit are at peace with God

can you say the same?

>>3885545
that would be "mind", not "soul"

>>3885541

There are other ways. AI and computer science aren't the only things that can contribute to transhumanism.

I don't understand Coffee mug. He thinks AGI is not possible or practical?

>>3885549
Sure, I could say it just like you can say it. I could say it in Chinese.

>>3885563
so say it, either way

>>3885560
No, he's just a little more of a realist than a lot of the transhumanists. A lot of transhumanists just immediately start talking about a future full of cyborg furries and shit, with no idea how we'll actually get there.

>>3885543
Right, so unless you believe that a bit of life exists outside of the body and the mind (the soul,) then when your brain is copied your body would die. YOU would die. But there would be a copy of you in a computer.

Seriously dude I used to be a hard core transhumanist. Took the first couple steps towards cyborg-hood. Then I got outside more and I got better.

Dumbasses:

The correct response to a christfag (or christfag-imitating troll) is not to question the bald assertions. It is to make contrary bald assertions based on a different religion. Just pretend to be Hindu or something.

>>3885570
Ok, hows this?
My soul and spirit are at peace with God.

I fully believe that the person who wrote this message:
>>3885549
is NOT at peace and is going straight to hell.

>>3885577
hey, man, i'm just here to learn about this transhumanism/AGI/beast stuff so i know how much time i have left

>>3885581
i believe you just made yourself 0/2

>>3885542
What do you mean surrender it? Like, kill myself?

>>3885558

Oh, I thought you were just talking about producing automated construction workers.

Well, I am not a transhumanist. I believe that whilst COMPLETELY REPLACING humans with robots is feasible with current technology, making humans IMMORTAL is not.

Biology as a science is very much still in its infancy compared to physics or chemistry, so I think it will be at least some decades before we create an organism that doesn't age.

>>3885575
into what organization?

>>3885575
>Right, so unless you believe that a bit of life exists outside of the body and the mind (the soul,) then when your brain is copied your body would die. YOU would die. But there would be a copy of you in a computer.

That "you" would die is not a statement of fact. It's an interpretation of facts. A philosophical assertion. Do "you" die every time you go to sleep, because your consciousness is discontinuous? Do "you" die gradually as the matter that makes up your body is systematically replaced? If not, how is it different? If so, then is "dying" in that way really something worth avoiding?

>>3885586
spiritually speaking, yes. the old you would die, and the new you would be transformed, or at least, begin the transformation process

but dying to self is the first step to follow Jesus

>>3885575

>Right, so unless you believe that a bit of life exists outside of the body and the mind (the soul,) then when your brain is copied your body would die. YOU would die. But there would be a copy of you in a computer.

Of course. Still, Coffee Mug 2005 was not the same was Coffee Mug 2007. Granted, the change here was gradual, but the definiton of personhood is so slim... Say, a person who was suffocated, then recovered most of his memories with minor damage. He's a different person, but the thread of subjective experience is almost almost unbroken. Where do we draw the line between "same person" and "different" person? Why draw it at all? You could upload yourself, start playing with your own neurons, roll back to previous settings. You'd be changing from person to person far faster than ordinary, human development does that. But does that make you any less of a person? Just a person in general, because uniqueness of personality is something I've long given up on.

>>3885585
I believe your grammar and punctuation is shit.

So, you believe I'm going to hell and I believe you are going to hell. I guess we're at an impasse, then! What a shame.

>>3885604
okay, let me make it clearer; i believe your definitive statement that your soul and spirit are at peace with God is false

i believe your vision of my future is false

you are therefore zero for two

>>3885604
And, by the way, the hell in my religion is FAR worse than the one in yours. Oh man, you are so fucked.

>>3885596

Jesus is a false prophet teaching a doctrine of weakness. I will die in battle and feast in Valhalla while you end up moping around in one of the shittier worlds.

>>3885609
Yes, but I *BELIEVE* that they are true, and I believe that your beliefs are false. And we both have exactly the same amount of evidence to support our claims.

>>3885610
that's like saying your version of Cleveland is worse than my version of Cleveland

hell is a place, like Cleveland (sorry Cleveland, but you know it's true)

>>3885614
a fine thought to go out on, but false nevertheless

you've never seen Jesus angry before

>>3885617
i am taking the word of a man who walked out of His grave on the third day following His public execution

what is your foundation for your beliefs?

>>3885626
>you've never seen Jesus angry before

Neither have you, nor will you ever. Jesus was a man and now he's dead. Odin is real.

>>3885614

Rejoice, Einherjar.
Those who die out of favor with the gods go to Hel, where they will join the weak ranks of listless dead, and will be slain by your swords in the final battle of Vígríðr.

>>3885599
If I had your personality, I'd give up on it to.

>>3885623
Not in my religion. The hell you are going to is unimaginably horrifying. The shit they are going to do to you there... it's just... unspeakable.

>>3885626
And neither have you. And you've never seen him happy or sad or any other emotion.

THIS ENTIRE THREAD JUST WENT FULL RETARD

>>3885594
Alright, so imagine you're getting the procedure. You lie down on the hard white bed, and wait as the computer scans your brain. You're told you'll wake up in the computer, born into a new life.

However, when you wake up, you're still on the bed. An attendant comes in and apologizes for the inconvenience. The scan was successful, but your meatparts are still around. She then gives you a lethal injection. Is it murder?

>>3885628
well, the real hell is a described as a lake of fire, with weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth; where the worm dies not, and the flame is never quenched, without any presence of God, and accompanied by satan and his demons

not sure how much worse than that anything can be

This thread is fucking lulz.

>>3885632
we've decided then. my soul on Jesus; your soul on a storybook character

>>3885638
blessed are they who have not seen, and yet believe

>blessed

>>3885629
Well, I have a book and it tells the story of a man who died ten times and was resurrected ten times. So, he's ten times better than your hero.

Also, my book says that it is the indisputable, unquestionable word of God, so I know for certain that it is true.

QUANTUM IMMORTALITY, bitches!

>>3885651
another concensus has been reached; my soul betting on the truth of Jesus Christ, and your soul resting on a lie you just made up on the internet

lulzy indeed

>>3885643
Total Recall II

>>3885641
Well, you're going to find out. The hell in my religion makes that hell sound like a Sunday afternoon stroll through a park.

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT TRANSHUMANISM YOU DICKS

>>3885669

Not anymore

>>3885643

I'd say so. You have been split into two beings, and she killed one of them. But again, that's a matter of interpretation.

>>3885669
No one cares. If you want to be a trannie, go for it. We won't judge you.

>>3885672

What thing about God?

>>3885656
Uh oh, you sound a little worried there... Are you saying you don't believe my book is real? Are you starting to wonder if it is or not?

Do you believe that the Bible is the only religious book in the world? Do you believe that the Bible is the only book that claims to be the word of God?

>>3885669
isn't transhumanism the effort of becoming immortal through technology, bypassing that whole "bend the knee to God" bit that seems to stick in your craw so much?

>>3885672

No, he is concerned that we become immortal without doing hard work.

>>3885242
Kurzweilai.net
I'm not a transhumanist but the articles linked are good. Don't bother witht eh forum.

>>3885677
that He demands your obesience; that you know your place in relation to Him; that immortal life is the reward for being one of His children, not for inventing a soulless form of life out of silicon

>>3885681

No, I'm concerned that without work none of this will happen, or it will not happen in our lifetimes.

>>3885678
you and i both know how real your book is, and i'm well aware of false teachers and false teachings, and of angels giving "revelations" to men contradicting the bible

the bible is unique, and prophetic, and the inspired Word of God; anything that goes against it will be pulverized

>2045
>wired interface

>>3885688
So, CCM, do you contribute to the field of AI? I'm genuinely curious.

>>3885681
but the truth of the matter is that human intelligence is getting higher and higher, but to fewer and fewer people; there are fewer and fewer but brighter and brighter people making up the top of the human pyramid

i could totally see where that is the genesis of this movement; fewer and fewer produce more and more, leaving nothing to do for the masses but do "occupy wall street" bullshit

>>3885599
I'll grant you that, actually. If the human consciousness is allowed to GROW into the machine parts only to discard the meatparts later, then I could see it working. However, simply making a copy of a functioning brain is like making a copy of a river and saying that because we can predict where the river would flow the river has been "uploaded" into a computer.

I can see your point, but I still feel that unless it's approached properly, there will be a massive death of humans and the creation of thousands of possibly malevolent AI

>>3885684
thank you

>>3885688

You don't need to be concerned. Work will pay whilst the need for work still exists. It's only when humans are made completely redundant that employment will cease to exist.

>>3885692
That's what the other books say. And there are huge numbers of people who read and follow the teachings of those other books. They say that you are the false teacher and that you will be burned for all eternity.

So what's your evidence that they're wrong and you're right? Your book?

>>3885705
i know you won't take my word for it, but take my word for it anyway: my Lord will not allow this abomination to prosper. just as He stepped in and destroyed the tower of babel, He will step in and stop this abomination that brings desolation to the earth. men claiming to be god because we created life? it's over, johnny

>>3885711
uh, my Lord rising from the dead; maybe you've heard of Him? Jesus of Nazareth? as in, this is the Year of our Lord Two Thousand Eleven?

yeah, that Lord; the same one that made you, lost you, and bought you back with His life; He has a vested interest in you, and you do not know Him.

that does not bode well for you

This thread is now about faggots who refuse to pay due respect to the gods of Asgard.

>mfw religious people really believe the shit they spout

you'll never be able to upload your brain....

you will be able to copy your brain to the cyborg...

meaning you will eventually die. and your cyborg self will live on.

big fucking deal.

>>3885737
The other books contain equally fantastic tales of rising from the dead, ascending to heaven...

Are you really this ignorant of the other religions of the world? I guess that's the only way someone could develop such a narrow perspective. Good for you.

>>3885748
There's no evidence that this will be impossible. There's actually a lot of evidence that suggests that is will be possible.

>>3885746

Unlike those assholes on Olympus, the Aesir on high do not actually demand worship or tribute, although they reward respect and hospitality.
Any who fall in honorable battle, even worshipers of twisted visions, are welcome in the halls of Valhalla.

Hey non-Norsefags, what day of the week is it?

>>3885751
look harder, and cry moar
mohammad never claimed to be God, married a 6 year old when he was 54, died, and stayed dead
buddha, same thing. no claim to be God, died, still dead
krishna, same thing.

only one man, Jesus Christ, really lived, really died, and really rose from the dead, proving that He is God

believe on Him and live; mock Him at your peril. you were told of the Lamb of God

you are not prepared for the Lion of Judah

>>3885758
>>3885759
He won't get the joke, guys. But good point.

>>3885758
>those assholes on Olympus

You will pay dearly for your impudence.

>>3885764
Once again, that's what your book says, and not what their books say. Sounds like the foundation of your beliefs is just pure ignorance. Seems about right.

And as a side note, I don't think the Christians have any room to be throwing stones at other religions over child molestation. Unless maybe the news from the last couple of decades is all a big conspiracy put in place by those other "false" religions.

>>3885765
Wednesday is Odin's day; i don't know what Tuesday is, nor do i pay homage to the fictional viking gods by calling tomorrow wednesday

still, my Lord changed the entire calendar; your fictional characters got days named after them

>>3885779
what other book are you referring to, where a real man, a historical figure, not a mythological figure, inspired?

are you really so daft as to claim this without any examples whatsoever? or do you know that all of these examples are silly?

>>3885775

Thank you for proving that point as succinctly as possible.

>>3885780

>i don't know what Tuesday is

Tyr's Day.
Wodin's Day.
Thor's Day.
Frigga's Day.
.. then Saturn's Day, because Romans are boss.

>>3885764

Shit, all I have to do is claim to be god for you to follow me? Well, as it so happens, I am god. What now?

>>3885780

Tuesday is Tyr's day, worm.

>>3885780
Fuck. I deserve to be b& for even participating in this horse shit. It's not like the idiot zealots will ever be convinced by any amount of logic and reason, anyway.

>>3885795
sorry, i prefer to follow the one true God to the thousands of false christs; or did you think you were special in trying to be Him?

>>3885799
why be the smartest person in hell?

>>3885751
...You can't see the transhuman hypocracy there?

>>3885787

The Bhagavad Gita
The Quran
The Book of Mormon
The Poetic Edda

>>3885813
>The Bhagavad Gita
no resurrection
>The Quran
no claim to be God, no resurrection
>The Book of Mormon
no claim to be God, no resurrection
>The Poetic Edda
wtf is this

>>3885804

You ARE following a false god.

>>3885819
The Bhagavad Gita is true, though, while your scriptures are lies.

>>3885819

There's a resurrection in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, though.

>>3885819
oh, a viking poetry book

yeah, that will withstand the same scrutiny as 2000 years of attacking the bible

lol

>>3885833

Not really, he just doesn't actually die. Goes to the precipice of life and death, gets to choose which way to go.

>>3885839

Actually it has. The Poetic Edda is entirely true, while the Bible doesn't hold up to the slightest scrutiny.

>>3885823
if Jesus is a false God, then so be it. i will follow Him into hell armed with a bucket of water

>>3885843
what do you mean by entirely true? that it is actual history? of norse gods?

lulzy indeed

>>3885845

Then you are a fool, to willingly follow a false god.

do any of you transhumanists know that you're just hardwired pagans?

>>3885847

Yes, it's the real, actual history of the Norse gods.

>>3885848
if Jesus is a false god, then i am indeed a fool

nevertheless will i follow Him

>>3885851
lol you sound like you really believe those events happened, and those places exist

and weren't stories made up in the wintertime to pass the days

yikes

>>3884238

Yeah, tracking trends in the scientific world. Pretty sure they said he hasn't been wrong once. Computing power surpasses the human brain in 2020. That means we can interface our brains.

>>3885860

And actually add to the computing power of our biological brain.

>>3885857

Why doesn't God just kill Satan?

>>3885852
>if Jesus is a false god

He was.

>then i am indeed a fool

Yes, you are.

>>3885866
he's eternal

>>3885857

Yes, those events did happen. They're right there in the book. You can read it yourself.

>>3885865
how odd; i personally drove off all the hill giants

maybe you should worship me?

>>3885867
see, now, we both can't be right

so my foundation is set solidly on the fact that Jesus is God

and you say nuh-uh

is that about it?

>>3885871
do you lack the ability to know when you're posting as a fool, or do you think i lack discernment?

bad news for you, either way, i suppose

I love watching Westerners postulate a high-tech future as if there can be any such thing after the Cheap Oil runs out (which it has; world peak oil occurred around 2005). In 2045 you're either not going to have a fucking job, or you'll be riding a bicycle to work. A gallon of gas in the USA (when it's even available) will be $30/gal (in today's dollars), which the vast majority of Americans won't be able to afford.

>>3885879
in 1910, there was predicted to be 10 years of crude oil left

i think we'll be fine

>>3885874

No, my foundation is set solidly on the might of the living gods of Asgard, and YOU say nuh-uh

>In 2045 you're either not going to have a fucking job, or you'll be riding a bicycle to work.
>2045
>not riding the subway

>>3885883
no, i say good luck!

>>3885876

How is it foolish? It says those things happened right in the book. They are true.

>>3885894
>bible is unique
>bible is true
>you have a different book
>you claim it is true like the bible is true

that makes you a fool. sorry. it just does.

>>3885901

No, it's not "like the Bible" because the Bible is NOT true, and the Edda is. You're believing the fictional book and disregarding the true one, and you're calling ME foolish.

>>3885915
okay, warrior, good luck dying in battle, i guess

sounds kinda islamy to me

>>3885926

And good luck to you, intentionally castrating your own will on the word of a 2000-year dead fictional Israeli hippie, because you read it in a book that can't withstand the slightest historical or logical scrutiny.

I have not visited /sci/ in months, and thus I made a bet with myself.

If the first thread in /sci/ was discussing religion, I would not come here again.

Because it seems you idiots can't keep discussion clean.

>>3885882
> in 1910, there was predicted to be 10 years of crude oil left

1910 was about 50 years before oil discoveries PEAKED. Yes, not only has production peaked, but discoveries peaked long before that.

> i think we'll be fine

The trouble is that you're not THINKING. You merely BELIEVE like religious fags believe, and like them, you are DEAD WRONG.

Today, what's considered to be a "major oil find" is a few billion barrels in a tiny field that the army of geologists missed in the last century. 2 billion barrels of oil (remember, considered a MAJOR find) would last about 22 days at today's world consumption rates.

So: You're staggeringly ignorant. Go away and read some real books on petroleum for a fucking change.

>>3886027

Oil is not running out, it's just becoming more and more expensive.

>>3885995
don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya

>>3886060
If it is not running out, then why does the price increase?

>>3886027
how about, instead, i figure that anwar alone can power my country for centuries? that okay with you?

lol

>>3886067
limited refining capacity; doesn't matter how fast it comes out of the ground if you can't refine it into something usable quickly

oops, i wasn't supposed to know anything about oil production. sorry.

>>3886078
>oops, i wasn't supposed to know anything about oil production. sorry.

Don't worry, you don't.

>>3886060
> Oil is not running out, it's just becoming more and more expensive.

False. The world possessed over a trillion barrels in the ground. And it's a fossil fuel, so it's only manufactured by nature over geologic time scales. And we use about 90 million barrels of it each day. Hence, that supply is depleted.

And as it gets more expensive, the entire infrastructure that was based on its CHEAPNESS (note that word, asshole!) must fail. The world is powered by CHEAP Oil, not just Any Old Oil. Oil that's too expensive leads to demand destruction. And it was purely aberrant to load fruit and vegetables aboard a massive ship and send it 10000 miles just to make sure you had them out of season in your grocery.

Nothing replaces Cheap Oil. Stop pretending that's true. You need to ALSO stop pretending that your society doesn't run exclusively on it being CHEAP.

>>3886078
How long until we have used up all oil reserves then? 100 years?

I figure we might have found a new fuel by then. I hope.

Increased world demand.

>>3885270

My biggest thing with any of the technocracy/singularity nonsense it that it always presumes that technology will continue to improve no matter what. But that doesn't really happen. The Greeks knew of steam power in 200BC or so -- they never used it for anything. Civilizations have fallen several times, usually resulting in the loss of technology and education. Sometimes politics interferes as well -- as when the Chinese forbade the construction of deep sea vessels in the 1400s. MOre modern examples would be a place like Afghanistan that went from a modern society to a stone age one in a matter of ten years of fighting the Soviets. Nukes would quite likely do so world wide.

Technology has been going up pretty fast of late, but it's hardly a permanent thing.

>>3886103
> How long until we have used up all oil reserves then? 100 years?

We will never use it all up, because it will just become too expensive to pull out of the ground by then. Take the tar sands problem. Eventually the nastier tar sands will require more energy to process them into liquid petroleum, than it obtains in finished product.

Probably the last 200 billion barrels will be too expensive to pull out for any use other than some militaries, for whom price is no object.

> I figure we might have found a new fuel by then. I hope.

Hoping is about as much you can do, but as it stands from a rather wide scientific understanding, NOTHING we've found (or will find) has the same cheapness, the same high energy density, and the same practicality of petroleum. By "practicality" I mean it's easy to pump, easy to ship, and easy to handle up to the use end. Fuck! Oil is handled at AIR TEMPERATURE AND PRESSURE. Natural gas can't make the same claim. And coal can't be poured or pumped. And nuclear is horrible, barely able to pump energy into a grid, which doesn't help construction equipment and trucks.

NOTHING REPLACES CHEAP PETROLEUM. Get that into your thick fucking Western coddled skulls RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

>>3886102
you can produce oil in months to years, not millions of years; that's impossible

dopey

>>3886102 only manufactured by nature over geologic time scale

And by humans in less than a day

>>3886103
point is, our current methods and our current technologies are just as insufficient to predict how many more centuries of oil we will find as it was back in 1910, when then current prognosticators said it would run out by 1920

>>3886139
i know, right? the angry simian is strong in this idiot

>>3886141
> point is, our current methods and our current technologies are just as insufficient to predict how many more centuries of oil we will find as it was back in 1910, when then current prognosticators said it would run out by 1920

That's not even a point. Oil-discovery tech was still primitive. And oil discoveries peaked worldwide around the mid 1960s. So as discovery tech matured, discoveries climbed, peaked, then decline. We've been in the era of oil-discovery decline for over 40 years.

Today, what's considered to be a "major" (i.e. rare) find is a couple of billion barrels. That's 22 days supply at world consumption rates. You're not going to make it to the 22nd Century on oil, you stupid Western fuckhead.

And let's say that another trillion barrels are inexplicably sitting in vast chambers just below the crust in the oceans or something. Gee WHIZ, how much money would it take to exploit those deposits? You'd have to spend about the same as we do for tar sands, which are barely energy-positive.

But such deeply buried deposits are wholly unlikely, since the "oil window" (look that one up, you ignorant fuckass) wasn't that deep to begin with, and it would take major geological upheaval to send the oil window that deep, hence would have happened only rarely.

ALSO, any deposit that goes that deep is subject to so much more heat and pressure (hence the generative nature of the oil window), that it soon converts to lighter and lighter oil fractions, including gas, up to methane (CH4). And even that deep methane oozes out and becomes lost from the deposit.

I shit on your brain from a great distance above you. Stop posting here and get thee to a library, you ignorant fuck.

http://www.singularity2050.com/2011/07/the-end-of-petrotyranny.html

>>3886107
I don't think there'll be a global halt in technological research though, what with the information saturation we have in this global age. Ups and downs, sure, but no more dark ages unless a solar flare or something seriously fucks up our electronics.

>>3885879

Peak oil is a lie to get Americans to pay for the switch to low sulphur diesel. Oil is expensive in other countries either because of high-taxes to repair the damage caused by it's use, or because it's expensive to transport oil there (Or a combination of the two).

At any rate, after we consume all the easily available oil, we can move on to oil that requires more refinement. After that dries up, we can move on to making it ourselves with chemistry. By the time that ends, we'll have moved on to either solar, fusion, thorium, or a combination of all three to provide our energy and batteries to distribute it.