/sci/ - Science & Math

God help the poor souls that have been stuck in that storm for a few hundred years

Hey Faggots,

My name is Jupiter, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are small, filthy, planets who spend every second of their day being smaller than me. You are everything bad in the Solar System. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten a storm as big as the motherfucking Great Red Spot? I mean, I guess it's fun making fun of planets because of your own low mass, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than all those black hole douchebags.

Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I was hit by a huge ass meteor less than 2 decades ago, and I ain't even have a scar, and I am the second largest object in a radius of more than 2 fucking lightyears. What specialities do you have, other than "getting bombed with satelites from that faggot 'Earth' place"? I also create as much warmth as I receive from the sun, and have a fucking huge assortment of moons (They just finished another orbit; Shit was SO cash). You are all small faggot planets who should just be destroyed by a huge asteroid. Thanks for listening.

Pic Related: It's me and 2 of my bitches, Io and Europa

Uneasy? No. In fact, it's good to know that such a reservoir of hydrogen is sitting there in a stable configuration for our use. Not that we'll ever use it, however. The Jews will never let us off the planet, since they can't steal our money if we're a billion miles away.

I agree OP, it's eerie.

A failed star, falled angel.

Fallen angel... Lucifer.

God is the Sun, Jupiter is Satan.

>>3883233

JUPITER IS HELL.

Right guys?

RIGHT??

>>3883217
Hell no.
I had an argument with my boyfriend the other day and I went outside with my telescope to watch jupiter for a few hours, and it was so blissfully reassuring.

>>3883240
Obama doesn't care about the Saturn people.

>>3883240
I'm an atheist and that's the scariest concept I've ever imagined in fiction, ever

Hell.... hundreds of times larger than our own planet... HOLY SHIT

I thought I was the only one OP, but yes, I too am creeped out by the other planets, especially Jupiter. They're eerie.

>>3883274
>>3883273
>>3883217
>mfw people don't share my sense of wonder and beauty and comfort when gazing upon the heavenly bodies

>>3883273
>>3883240

Speaking of which, WHY haven't planets and other astronomical objects been given religious significance since their true discoveries? Once we found out what the Sun was made of, we lost all awe and mystery for it.

At least most folk anyway.

I had a dream several months ago in which I threw a star into Jupiter and made it explode.

I actually felt the explosion in the correct scale. I felt as if I was hurtling towards a planet, being sucked in by its gravity, then the explosion came and I was blasted millions of miles away at thousands of miles per hour. It was beyond frightening. It rivaled my worst nightmares in terms of fear.

Gah! Jesus fuck!

>>3883279

I've always imagined people enthralled by the heavens to be like children enjoying a christmas tree, or a cat mesmerised by a laser pointer. Call it what you want, from here, it just looks like a bunch of lights.

>>3883296
Because now that we're smart enough to know what they are we aren't dumb enough to worship them.

They certainly inspire something akin to religious awe, just without the superstition.

>>3883307

>>3883307

Your false sense of superiority blinds you of all beauty, sir.

>uneasy
>eerie
>hell
I guess the fear of something you can't understand is how religions come about.

Too tired to educate you peasants, just keep stewing in your superstitious juices.

>>3883307
You don't get it.
It's not the sense of "oooh, pretty lights", it's the immensity of the knowledge of WHAT you're looking at.
That you're seeing light milliions of years old, or a ball of gas with storm clouds bigger than planets that outlast civilizations. The razor-edge and crystal clarity of Saturn's rings, the shadow of a valley on mars that covers one-third the planet's circumference, so deep and wide that to see it in person would be like standing at the edge of the world...

Fuck you.

>>3883315

Yet another who thinks they're above everyone else.

Hurr durr sage so edgy.

>>3883314

Chloe Mortez is beauty, Jupiter is just a big orange ball.

>>3883327
Congratulations! You're a shallow fuck who has never looked at jupiter.

>>3883320

So essentially you are impressed by the fact that things in the universe tend to be big and old, when this clearly is the unremarkable norm throughout the universe.

>>3883327

Watch out, Mr. I-just-graduated-high-school has entered the room.

>>3883324
Or rather, it's not that I'm so superior to anyone, it's just that you are so inferior to so many, and willfully at that.

If I felt bad about everyone who chose to stay inferior, I'd probably have to kill myself.

Fortunately, the superstitious fears of the past are slowly being ground away by education.

>>3883237
nobel prize in physics, this guy right here

>>3883336

>when this clearly is the unremarkable norm throughout the universe.

Something we weren't even aware of until the past hundred years.

Nobody before our time knew anything about these things. To just have an crystal clear image of Jupiter or ANYTHING beyond our atmosphere is fucking amazing, and personally I'm surprised that people can't find any beauty in something so wonderfully complex with a rich and epic history like a planet.

>>3883349

>Fortunately, the superstitious fears of the past are slowly being ground away by education.

You arrigant asshat, you haven't even read this thread have you? THIS THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION, FUCK OFF.

>>3883327
oh, a pedo from /tv/. nothing to see here folks, just another retard

>>3883352
Thank you. I love you. Glad /sci/ isn't all jaded, small-minded assholes.

>>3883352

>bits of dust and gas collide with each other
>eventually forms a planet
>tends to spin a lot and orbit the sun

How is that interesting? A bit unbelievable that an actual planet can be formed from such a process, even over billions of years, but ultimately it's a story about a giant snowball effect.

>>3883367
How is that NOT interesting?
You clearly have some idea of the incredible scope and complexities of processes occurring there.

>>3883359

As an ameutuer astronomer and hoping-to-be actual astronomer, it pains me to see people be so uncaring towards the majesty of the cosmos.

I'm just an awe at the universe, and am so lucky to be able to actually see and know what these things are.

>>3883367

What do you consider interesting then? If that doesn't get your loins wet, what does?

>>3883373
He likes jerking his dick to child celebrities.

>>3883350
I concur, it was a beautiful Boast. Bravo Jupiter, bro plant.


Anyways, If i were to "worship" anything it would have to be the Sun. Cause it is literally the reason you are alive. (not counting all the events that lead up to the sun and other things, but right now you are alive because of the Sun)

and also, I look up at the sky every night, and feel wonderment/fear/happiness/alone/amazed nothing else in the universe (almost) gives me that feeling. and i do feel sad when people don't care or feel that same amazement by the things that are out there, but then i remember that neither of us will be around forever and i shouldn't let it get to me.

>>3883370

It's not interesting because it's not dramatic, complicated, important, meaningful, unique... it's just a long, slow process where things stick to other things to create a big ugly ball.

>>3883380
It's very complicated, and it's more dramatic than anything that ever has or likely ever will happen on our planet, with out species.
"Important" and "meaningful" are nonsense terms in this discussion. And ugly?
UGLY!?
You think that's ugly?
Fuck, you're a horrible person.

>>3883380

>It's not interesting because it's not dramatic, complicated, important, meaningful, unique

Funny, I think it is the embodiment of all those things and much more.

Jupiter is a bro, fuck you're an unimaginative sap.

just imagine whats lurking in those clouds of hydrogen. there is enough space in there to hide something hundreds of times bigger than earth. there are some forms of fungi that feed off of radiation, jupiter is full of radiation. not to mention the hydrogen. imagine the possibilities. where did the chinese get the idea of that snake like dragon that flies in the air? do they have reptiles over there, and what kind of thing flies without wings? maybe something like an eel, but have the ancient chinese people really seen giant eels that swim about in the atmosphere? thats why they made the great wall of china, so the bad "dragons" could not get in! oh fucking god!!

>>3883390

You're a person that thinks a big orange ball is something to behold in wonder. Wait till you see 3DTV.

>>3883217

Uneasy? You know how many times we'd have probably been wiped out by an extinction event if not for that planet?

Jupiter: The Solar System's Hoover.

Why would someone be made uneasy by Jupiter?

If anything, VIRUSES make me uneasy. They aren't even ALIVE man! But they can KILL you! They aren't alive but they can get in your lungs and KILL you, like ASBESTOS! Except this asbestos doesn't get in your lungs and cause cancer. This Asbestos gets into your lungs and turns your body into MORE ASBESTOS!

Scary shit.

>>3883403
It's not a big orange ball. Stop being facetious.

You're the person who thinks that a fucking trinket is more interesting than the second-largest, most complex body in our solar system.

>>3883217
Yep it does make me a little uneasy.
For those who have not spotted it all of those little black spots are death from above.
Earth will be hit by something like that, it is just a matter of time...

>>3883416
>facetious
I meant "facile"

>>3883421
No, wait, I think I meant "disingenuous".

Fuck it. You're just an ass.

>>3883240
If anything is hell, it's Venus. Venus man, goddamn.

>>3883430

No, you sir are indeed a faggot.

I bet you think space exploration and space sciences aren't worth the cost either.

BECAUSE IT'S EITHER THAT OR FEED THE STARVING CHILDREN, RIGHT GUYS?

>>3883444

Not sure if responding to wrong person.

>>3883444

Aren't worth the cost YET.

Wait for tech to advance another few decades.

A cosmo awe love thread and one miserable faggot shitting things up.
Why?

>>3883458

Sorry I gave into him.

FORGIVE ME /SCI/

palnets r dum, u nerds, get a live

When I look at at Jupiter, my eyes see 'big', 'orange' & 'ball'. When I contemplate what Jupiter is, I think 'big', 'old', 'gas', 'ball'.

Am I incorrect? Are these observations not true? How could a human mind, capable of creating the most wondrous technologies and of comprehending incredibly complex information, look at a planet, so common and useless, with anything other than a passing thought?

>>3883354
>THIS THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION
When I commented, this was one of the latest replies:
>I agree OP, it's eerie.
>A failed star, falled angel.
>Fallen angel... Lucifer.
>God is the Sun, Jupiter is Satan.
>JUPITER IS HELL.

I still say irrational fear of a planet leads to religion.

If we ever find a way to ignite Jupiter, what effects would having a second sun have on Earth?

>>3883475

You forgot the part where I say "RIGHT GUYS? RIGHT??"

It's clearly in jest. Get over yourself.

>>3883471
>Am I incorrect?
Yes.
>Are these observations not true?
No. "Orange" is flat-out wrong, and the others are pathetic simplifications.
> How could a human mind, capable of creating the most wondrous technologies and of comprehending incredibly complex information, look at a planet, so common and useless, with anything other than a passing thought?
Obviously your mind ISN'T capable of comprehending complex information. And planets aren't fucking common. Jupiter is more unique and spectacular than fucking anything on our ball of dust. Your fucking 3dtv is pathetically more common and unimpressive than a fucking PLANET.
Jesus, fuck off. Kill yourself you fucking miserable faggot.

>>3883475
Irrational anything can turn into a religion.

>>3883475

I don't think it's eerie out of any superstitious sense, I just don't like the way it or any of the other planets look. Like moths.

Maybe if they weren't so drab and dead looking I'd be of a different opinion.

>>3883476
I don't think there's enough spare mass in the solar system for Jupiter to become big enough for it to be a star.
And what the fuck do you mean, "ignite" it?

>>3883237
>he doesn't know about brown dwarfs

>>3883501

Pretty sure he means add more mass to it.

But yes, having hurling masses of mass into Jupiter probably wouldn't be the best. It'd take some upward of 80> Jupiter Masses for it to even become a Brown Dwarf, let alone a star. So unfeasable as fuck.

>>3883501
"Ignite" as in start a fusion reaction.

Stupid Idea though. Better we siphon off the fusable material slowly and make good use of it over billions and billions of years.

>>3883491

There are most probably billions of planets. We may not detect them all but we can infer that they are there because they tend to be wherever there are stars Most of the planets we have detected are in fact gas giants, too. It seems to me then that they are as common as stars.

The universe is a junkyard teeming with countless bits of crap.

>hurr durr planets arent as beautiful as my japanese waifu
>not as interesting as my animes either

>>3883517
You should really just kill yourself.

>>3883490
With the past year of trolls and retards here and other places, I've decided to just treat everyone a retard that gives me reason to.

>>3883494
I know, but fear is the most exploitable.

>>3883500
How so? Is it the colors or what? Just remember that the visible spectrum is a minor way to sense the universe around you. Find an animation of the jovian magnetosphere, or IR or UV pictures of the belts and the Red Spot.

>>3883476
>>3883501
Jupiter would need to be approcimately eighty times as massive for it to fuse hydrogen-1 and become a star.

Not nearly as much as this image.

Yeah it's Saturn with it's hexagonal north pole. Gigantic polygons appearing in nature, it's no big deal.

>>3883500

i think its because there's no background "fuzz" in the photos. its just the planet, hanging there dead. stars in the background, atmospheric clouds etc would probably make them a little less odd to look at

>>3883524

That's like advising someone to commit suicide because they are no longer entertained by childrens magic tricks.

I'm so sorry that the idea of someone not finding a big orange ball magical and exciting offends you.

>>3883530

Jesus fuck I forgot about that.

HOW IS IT A HEXAGON? HOW?!

I like to think in millions of years time, creating stars and planets will be like making art for humans.

Entire cold nebula brought to life with artificial stars, complex and unique gravitational systems, physics experiments scaling in the light years.

i'm too cold and cynical to be mesmerised by what you idiots call the "beaty" of the universe. i see it for what it is. maybe one day you'll understand too,

when you're 15 like me

>>3883546

People that associate negative ideas with immaturity and elitism without proving them wrong, now there's a group that really ought to slit their wrists.

>>3883543

its a hexagon because it wants you to know that after you've lived your entire life, died, and become nothing, it will still have a hexagonal pole for no reason

>>3883543

fluid dynamics mother fucker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eH8dJgJG-c

>>3883562

15 year old detected

>>3883543

The giant middle finger of the universe.

Gotta love it.

>>3883579

NO U

See how much of a faggot that makes you sound?

Anyway, how about this; human beings tend to be irrational, violent, abusive and corrupt whenever they organise into large societies.

Okay, that's a pretty dim view of humanity, yes? Yet since it has negative overtones, you would argue that it's wrong, that only a teenager (not an idiot, not a deluded person, not an incorrect person, a teenager, specifically, for some reason) would think so, despite all the overwhelming evidence proving that it is true?

What does /sci/ think of life on Jupiter?

In all the vastness of the universe, could there be, in even one world, be life on a Jovian world?

Floating gas sacks, represent.

The reaction of Jupiter with an actual star, depends on the star used. We'll leave aside the reasons why a star would collide with Jupiter. Let's just say it does, and the impact would happen necessarily at interstellar speeds, which as a rule of thumb are 4 times higher (100km/s) than interplanetary speeds. Note also that any star is also far more massive than Jupiter.

WHITE DWARF COLLISION

If it's a white dwarf, then the collision would be catastrophic. As the white dwarf smashed into Jupiter's hydrogen mass, the impact front would form a zone of fusion, which would make the collision's far more energetic. Even without fusion, the star would convert Jupiter into an expanding cloud of plasma. The star itself would be profoundly changed, and even without running the numbers, the disruption of all that mass across the cross section of the star would crack its crust and re-ignite some native fusion itself, as the disrupting crust invited inclusions of gigatons of compressed hydrogen. The white dwarf would probably undergo extreme physical oscillations as it swept out of the fusing and partially-fusing cloud of Jupiter's remains, but without running the numbers I'm not sure if that sort of thing would result in energetic events like polar matter jets. The outcome from such a strike would produce a great hail of radiation across our solar system, and life on Earth would be greatly imperiled.

>>3883572

So you're saying it's aliens?

>>3883617

you realise the rest of the thread is carrying on being constructive while you direct your teen angst at me, right?

to the rest of you, im glad to be of service!

>>3883618

Floaters, Sinkers and Hunters

G-TYPE COLLISION

If it's a G-type star like Sol, then the collision would be sort-of bleh. Where exactly Jupiter passes through the much greater diameter of the star, alters the reaction of the system. If Jupiter passes through the upper layers only, we'd get a great light show, and the entire atmosphere of Jupiter would be stripped away; the deeper it penetrates, the more layers the star will strip off. The disruption in the star would be notable even with a glancing strike. But if Jupiter enters the star dead-on and breaches the stellar core, which we must remember is very dense and fusing, then there's a good chance that the star will be fatally disrupted. Such an entry into the fusing zone will cause something less than a nova-scale explosion. Depending again how off-center Jupiter strikes, the explosion event could be minor (in the scale of these things) and cause the star to undergo extreme physical oscillation, even become a permanently variable star. But a central strike would produce such a central detonation that the star itself would start to become much like a very small and very hot nebula, with outrushing zones of fusion and partial-fusion. Naturally, the radiation emission of any such strike would be fairly deadly for our solar system, and a sub-nova event at Jupiter's range would threaten Earth's atmosphere severely.

>>3883624

So aliens?

>>3883631

>I can't defend my irrational position, hurr durr isn't he stupid!

LARGE STAR COLLISION

If the strike is by a much larger star than G-type, then there may be little effect noticed at all, except for some photosphere reactions. These reactions would be energetic and visually spectacular, but with such a massive star cruising through our solar system, the other, gravitational effects would be more worrisome anyway. Any such inrush of a more massive star would alter many planetary orbits, and cause such an inrush of comets and such disruption of the Asteroid Belt, that life on Earth would be facing a thousandfold increase in meteor activity. That would mean we'd seek a Copernicus being formed on the moon every year, not counting the Earthstrikes that would occupy our attention (like a Barringer crater being formed each 20-50 years).

Even a direct strike by Jupiter upon the fusing core of a huge star would not be fatal to that star. Yes, disrupting fusing zones would race around the stellar core and outward, but there's so much mass involved in the rest of the star and so much distance from the core to the photosphere, that such things will be largely contained.

>>3883624
>>3883637
>>3883650

Whether you're just copypasting this or not, keep up it up. Very interesting.

>>3883618

There are a myriad of pointless and disgusting creatures inhabiting Earth, among them >>3883579. What's a few more on a different planet?

>>3883664

Good lord, get the fuck out. Both of you. You're shitting up our /sci/.

>>3883624
>>3883637
>>3883650

Discussing this is like discussing who would win in a battle between an Imperial Star Destroyer and the Enterprise - it's fiction. It'll never happen.

>>3883675

Think of it more as any Jovian type world colliding with those stars.

Of course Jupiter will never have such a fate.

>>3883661
> Whether you're just copypasting this or not, keep up it up.

Thank you. This is original stuff and I encourage you to think on the concepts themselves.

For a good outline, there was an article in Scientific American or Nature on exploring the nature of a similar collision event. It's hard to miss that issue since it had one step of the event depicted on the cover, as a massive stellar disruption at close distance. In that event, they had a white dwarf impact a G-type star. As the dwarf approached, the G-type started to elongate towards it, and then the impact itself buried the dwarf within the star, which then underwent what was essentially a nova explosion, using some of the elements I described above (traveling zones of fusion and partial fusion).

>>3883675
> It'll never happen.

Wrong. Stellar collisions and close encounters are rare but do happen. And every time there's such an event, solar systems end up interacting closely with other solar systems. The end result is that planets do end up falling into stars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fqE01YYWs

I found the SciAmer article on the collision of a white dwarf with a star like Sol:

http://www.google.com/search?q=white+dwarf+star+collision+scientific+american+November+2002&hl=e
n&source=hp&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=2083l2083l0l2624l1l1l0l0l0l0l441l441l4-1l1l0&oq=white+dwa
rf+star+collision+scientific+american+November+2002

All in all, I much prefer having Jupiter than letting it blow up. From what I've read, it acts as a magnificent gravitational force (aka magnet, pincushion, etc) for extrasolar and intrasolar debris.

>>3883788
> All in all, I much prefer having Jupiter than letting it blow up.

You couldn't stop anything like that from happening even if you knew about it 100 years in advance. Jupiter is about 10 Earths wide, making it about 1000 times more massive than our planet. Anything that would make it "blow up" would be at least as massive. You can't alter the trajectory of any such thing. At present, humanity would be hard-pressed to change the course of a minor asteroid. If the trajectory of a planet needed to be changed, humanity just couldn't do it. And 100 years from now, with little to no petroleum available to fuel any such effort, we'd have even less ability than we have now.

It's interesting that you believe that you have a choice in the matter. You must read a lot of scifi and not enough books on society and economics. Peace out.

>>3883823
>10 earths wide.

try again. the red hurricane in it's atmosphere could fit 30 Earths inside of it

>>3883853

Jupiter dia 142984 km
Earth dia 12715 km
142984 / 12715 = 11.245

You were saying, peter-eater? It's commonly known that the Big Red Spot is just about the diameter of the Earth. Not known to you, however, since you're spending a lot of time nailing penises into your mouth.

>>3883872

Hey guys! 10 is the new 11.245.

back to Jupiter

Why would we care about a planet that isn't even solid

>Altman be praised

>>3883320

>light
>millions of years old

see image

>>3883881
> Hey guys! 10 is the new 11.245.

They are equal when using just one significant figure. Thanks for betraying how fucking ignorant you really are.

>>3883237

LOL

>>3883921
Astronomers can see light that has been traveling through space for billions of years, i.e. was created billions of years ago, i.e. is billions of years old.

I don't see anything wrong with what >>3883320 said