/sci/ - Science & Math

>the shittiness
>of the world

you're doing it wrong

>>3878114
I mean when you think about all the problems of the future and what people are going through right now even, and how you stand in the bigger scheme of things in trying to make even a little mark

>is it possible to be grounded in science but still be a back to nature shaman?

You can be grounded in science and still care about your zodiac sign, I suppose.

The world is intrinsically shitty. There's no way to improve it. The best we can hope for are small moments of peace.

>engineer

There are tons of engineers who are pious Christians or Muslims. Being Zen is hardly in contradiction with the science involved in engineering work.

>>3878130

Retarded.

>>3878130
What about in relative terms?

Improving your world as much as you can while not trying to focus as much on THE world?

>>3878099
The secret sauce of your question is this.

Religion = Philosophy
Magic = Science

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clarke

"In the Ancient Orient, all religion was more or less a mystery and there was no divorce from it of philosophy. The popular theology, taking the multitude of allegories and symbols for realities, degenerated into a worship of the celestial luminaries, of imaginary Deities with human feelings, passions, appetites, and lusts, of idols, stones, animals, reptiles." -- Albert Pike, Fellowcraft via Morals and Dogma

Philosophy + Science = What you're after via your question. And this is ok! Also humanity needs myths and legends in order to survive the psychological onslaught of the sterile sanity most people force on others.

I think people love to misunderstand it and end up making up some crazy bullshit, because of Zen's more poetic approach.

If you must get into Buddhism Theravada is relatively more palatable to the average western mind and covers the same material in a much more straightforward fashion, but it just happens that Mahayana schools are much more widespread.

>>3878130
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY

>>3878145
>Also humanity needs myths and legends in order to survive the psychological onslaught of the sterile sanity most people force on others.

This is very true. Just look at how many people are totally addicted to hollywood movies, TV Shows & documentaries.

+1

>>3878145
So you failed middle-school science AGAIN.

Pathetic.

>>3878172
You sound like the typical atheist kid who still believes in the war of science against religion and philosophy. How does it feel living in your fake renaissance like reality?

>>3878172
>said the sterile sanity of ultimate bordem.

>>3878152
>my face after watching that

>>3878183
>>3878185

Science isn't supposed to be easy. Nor is it supposed to be an unchanging set of beliefs.

It's supposed to adjust it's views based on what's observed.

Religion denies observation so that faith is preserved.

Learn before you DERP.

>Zen
I think it works very well on Asians, since they need all the support they can get for the the fact that they have the smallest penises in the world. That must really get to them.

>>3878152
haha I had to stop it as soon as she opened her mouth

but it is more like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pwItrhEZo

I'm likely one of the more rational, logical, science driven individuals you are to meet in your life time, and yet I still look out my window at the trees and clouds thinking how lucky they must be.

Vedanta > Zen.

Fucking entry-level faggots.

lrn2dharma, you shits.

>>3878152
>>3878152
>>3878152
>>3878152
>>3878152
>>3878152

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT DID SHE JUST FINGER HERSELF WITH BLACK SPAGETTIO SAUCE?
WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT DID SHE JUST FINGER HERSELF WITH BLACK SPAGETTIO SAUCE?
WAT THE FUCK WAS THAT SHIT, DID SHE JUST FINGER HERSELF WITH BLACK SPAGETTIOS OR DID SHE PEE ON THAT BOARD??

>this thread
Religion is to keep you happy and confident enough to believe that your work will mean something, thus allowing you to be more productive in your field, whether it be in Plumbing or Improper Integrals. Now stop being huttburt and let people have their life: not everyone can face the harsh possibility of a purposeless universe. To act out against this is to be a bigot, or worse, cut down on efficiency.
/thread

i dunno OP, it seems like everybody is having this kind of night

i feel down myself; maybe it's something in the heavens <shrug>

i don't pretend to arbitrate

and i think that's one of the secrets to serenity actually; letting go just enough

>>3878099
>all is really making me feel like a zen master.

Get the fuck out of /sci/

>>3878627
Oh wow, fighting ignorance now makes you a bigot?

The same ignorance he will pass onto his kids, the same ignorance that is still rampant because of what i just said.

>>3878771

there's more than one kind of ignorance

>>3878794
Indeed.

>>3878771

I'm an atheist who doens't think life is meaningless. What does that make me?

>>3878816

you probably have even studied other religions

if you had you would be able to appreciate their shared wisdom

also, your pic leaves out atheism (the assertion of a negative - it doesn't get much more ignorant than that)

>>3878824
an optimist?

>>3878833
>it doesn't get much more ignorant than that
Excuse me? Atheism is the disbelief in the assumptions of religion.

No evidence why is there a reason to believe?

It is entirely much more ignorant to believe in something without evidence than to not because there is no evidence.

Ahaha that actually made me laugh.

Ignorance for abit of wisdom, that is not a fair trade to me.

any form of meditation that is stolen and monopolised by religious or spiritual people is turned to bullshit. Real meditation happens when you do something you love, something you're good at, something in which you can achieve.

>>3878879
>>3878879

you don't know what you're missing

it's okay; i was a teenage atheist once too; god willing you'll get over that phase

>>3878929
>it's okay; i was a teenage atheist once too; god willing you'll get over that phase

Oh wow, the fact that you were one of those angsty teen atheist faggots who arent really atheists and then still went back to religion in adulthood, when you should be able to make the intelligent decision over the ignoranct bliss one, just get off /sci/ ahaha

>>3878929
>implying either conclusion has anything do to with maturity

>>3878929
hahahahahahahaha
if you're trollin you got me good, if not, your god help you

>>3878955

dude all you got is reaction pics

you're trying too hard
protesting too much


i didn't go back to religion, but i was able to appreciate it, warts and all;

i found god

>>3878973

rebellion comes naturally to young males; it is necessary in order to find our place in the world, first we must confront and overcome the sources of our childhood dependencies

on the other hand no man is an island and we only lose ourselves in order to find ourselves

>>3878146

>>implying Zen = Buddhism.

My sifu would like a word with you.

>>3878977
>trying too hard
Thats the other thing i hate about religion, this "special relationship with god" puts people on a high horse where they think they are better than everyone else, straight ignorance, i talk down to religious people and its because of this exact reason.

There isn't enough protest against the ignorance disease.

>but i was able to appreciate it
Then i guess you do belong in it, takes some mental deficiency to appreciate something built on ignorance, atleast some people dont get a choice and have to believe in it and grow up and never have a different opinion cause its what they know, your parents didnt have to be stupid for you, you did that all by yourself.

OP here

what makes people think zen is a religion like all the other bullshit out there?

I posted the wiki link for a reason