/sci/ - Science & Math

We don't have capitalism. We have a plutocracy.

>>3832957

Capitalism isn't a form of government, retard.

OP you are also retarded.

>>3832944
Why are they protesting?

Oh no, a bunch of hippys are sitting there doing nothing.

I'm sure Wall Street is terrified.

>>3832944

> mixed economy welfare state
> capitalism

>hurr teh corporations
>yay look they sent us medicine, food and electronics!

Why the hell is every single one of them dressed like a fucking hipster?

>>3833021

Capitalism.

>>3833006
You probably get a lot of hate on this board, but I really appreciate seeing you post in these threads. It never ceases to amaze me how many liberals just don't understand economics.

>meditate for social change
OH SHIT GUYS WE'RE IN GOOD HANDS NOW

you normalfags of /sci/ can go fuck youselves starting with >>3832988

you ok with banks fucking everybody over? yes?

Tell me a reason goverment itself shouldn't be in control of the money supply instead of a bank with private inviduals, who are not standing for the interests of a common man?

Why is it set up retarded like that? Money- that controls everything.. is controlled by few individuals who were never elected in place by the people.. is this real life.jpg

> my face when I thought I'm on /tv/ and this is a Rome thread

>>3833032

> man in charge of money (Fed)
> reappointed by Obama

Oh shit!

>>3833027
I lol'd.

>>3832944
>Holy shit, shit is going down.
>people finally had enough.. holy shit, bye capitalism?

OH GOD MY SIDES!

>>3833032
Shut up commie.

>"My dad lost his job and he can't put me through college anymore, I need to drop out"

Shit, bitch! You have to start acting like an adult, and do this yourself? Outrageous!

Are they still doing this?
Cause I'm pretty bored and looking for something to do, and I have a megaphone. Thinking about going down there and shouting that they're stupid.

>>3833054
Only people 45 and older can get jobs! If people younger than that have to work, that's capitalism!

>grounded peaceful energy
Take it to /x/ next time, OP.

>>3833065
It's funny because a few years ago, it was oldfags crying that all the young kids were taking their jobs.

Seriously, they're pulling electronics out of the fucking packages and wearing branded clothing and shit.

Fuck this hypocritical idiots.

>>3833084
u dumb

>>3833084
I'm surprised I haven't seen a Che Guevara shirt yet.

http://tubedubber.com/#_wp9CaogQ4Y:ZiN6t7K7txw:0:100:0:0:1

All you normalfags go fuck yourself.. you work your degree to get a 150k starting.. you pay your tax dollars to fund wars, your tax money pays for blowing up children.. and you're okay with that, because everything is OK for you, you sit on your comfy chair in your warm room

"many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

that's you.

>>3833102
>dependent on capitalism
I'll give you ten minutes to figure out why this is silly.

>>3833102
Wow. Man. Just. Wow.

>>3833046
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703561604575282190930932412.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADT
op

>>3833102
I'm voting for Ron Paul, because that's how we end wars in this country. We stop electing war mongers. I also make sure to vote in my local elections, because that's where my voice really counts. What do you do? Start drum circles?

Have fun with your hippie party. Nothing will happen, and no one cares.

>>3833102
lol shut the fuck up you armchair revolutionary. those neckbeards wont do anything other than wave signs and get pepper sprayed by cops.

please start killing if you want the govt out. see:egypt, tunisia, etc.

>>3833102
>says the guy sitting on his chair in his warm room
>says the hipsters who have lived for 2 weeks on daddies money/the state and are there with loadsa camping gear, laptops, smart phones, warm clothes, tattoos, piercings, brand clothing, an apparent electrical supply, water, sanitation and can go back to their parents when they get bored and decide to complain about climate change instead

Yea, stfu.

>>3833139
Pretty much this. The only way to cause any significant change is violence at this point. But look at the people protesting; they wouldn't so much as spit in the general direction of someone that killed their entire families.

>CEO's face when the protesters are all using goods from the companies he owns
>"Yea man, fight the power! Also try our new iAngry© app on the new iphone 2 to hook up with other protesters who bought the app! Only .99 cents."

Shouldnt they rather protest at the White House?

also, RON PAUL 2012!

>>3833152
>>3833141

This.

The fact that these protesters don't understand this simple point speaks volumes of their intelligence.

oh look even anons are there.

>>3833126

Haha...Wsj. That toilet paper has lost all its credibility since being acquired by Murdoch.

It now HURTS its readers bottom line because of their political bullshit.

That column was a fucking laugh riot too. Thanks for posting it.

Typical bullshit liberal rally.

>da coporations are evil!
>where clothing, and use electronics made by the very people they protest
>it's okay, we've playing music that makes it all good

>>3833152
I would expect no less from Apple.

>mfw

>>3833158
lol dont bother reasoning with them. you try to talk to a protester and the only thing youll hear for the next hour is "durr fuck the system!! cops r pigs!!! fuck corporations lets go back to agriculture and bartering crops for other goods"

>>3833179
>waaaaaaaah I'm wrong and I know it but I'm afraid to admit it
>waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

hippie pride parade pretty much

>>3833176

These protesters are no worse than Tea Craziers.

>>3833102

What the fuck do you people want. No, don't answer in general terms. Answer is specific, tangible, realistic demands that we can debate/discuss. Because it seems this parade around wallstreet is just the same reactionary leftists that have been around for decades.

>>3833152
> CEO's face when the protesters are all using goods from the companies he owns

Exactly. Wanna bet how many of those "protesters" have 401Ks and/or trading accounts? They aren't protesting ANYTHING, since Wall Street already has their money and therefore their FULL SUPPORT.

Wall Street listens to money, and only money. If you give them your money, then there's nothing else they will listen to. You already "spoke", and what you spoke was "YOU GET 'R DONE WALL STREET!".

>>3833176
Thank god anonymous does its own thing and isn't associated with 4chan anymore.

>>3833176
You know what's funny is that the fact that since Anonymous is taking part in this protest they are essentially undermining their efforts further since a lot of people know and associate their group with shitty hackers/pranksters/those guys who protested $cientology a few years ago, etc.

Not that this protest had a whole lot going for it yet anyways. They don't really have any sort of central message, just a bunch of people who are angry at stuff because money. I hope they get their shit together though.

Implying people in egypt used violence.. you're just in pure denial

I'm going to go to the stock market and protest so that those fat cats know that I'm mad. That should fix them.

>>3833210
Arab spring != this shit.

>>3833189
What's funny is they both started with a similar reasonable message. Only to be ruined by retards.

implying peace protest is going to solve shit.

needs more molotov cocktails

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18p23-mE4e0

The message just keeps getting more distorted.

>>3833215
dont forget your bongo drums and EVILFASCISTCORPORATEPIGS sign

>>3833181
Not sure if Djarum or Black & Mild

>>3833236
I don't even know what their objective is anymore.

>>3833224

Yeah. But Tea Craziers have had a head start. It takes some serious effort from the hippies to reach that level of bullshit.

>>3833236
That's right, fuck those whites they have to actually work to get a scholarship.

>>3833176
I was starting to get the impression that it was set up by anonymous based on some youtube videos.

>>3833255

>mfw the tea party battles the occupy wallstreet crowd.

>>3832944
Resistance against us is truly an act of the greatest and most futile in nature.

>>3833210

Please don't compare a legitimate rebellion to these hippies playing in drum circles.

THIS is a demonstration.

At least they are stirring shit up to show the elites people give a fuck about the shit we are in. I support them.

>>3833288

Yes they certainly have demonstrated their idiocy beyond reasonable doubt.
I am now thoroughly convinced.
Thank you.

>>3833288
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmR0V6s3NKk The only demonstration that would ever be listened to, is one of peace. Something no crowd among your kind is possible of displaying properly.

>>3833299

Keep telling yourself that.

>>3833299

He would disagree.

>>3833305
One of many Masonic men who built "The Great Masonic Experiment" known as the USA.

So you see everything I say he will agree with, without question.

Every turn you make it of our creation alone.

>>3833313
alqaeda is a wing of the masonic order

>>3833313

>implying aliens don't control the Masons and Illuminati

>>3833295
> At least they are stirring shit up to show the elites people give a fuck about the shit we are in.

Nope, for the reasons I gave above. Your 401K shows who and what you support, not protest.

> I support them.

Nope. Your 401K shows you support Wall Street instead.

>>3833316
Wrong. But it is from 1 of the 1,000 points of light. Which is the structure that can not be brought down.

If I didn't have TMD I'd laugh like a motherfucker. I note that this was filmed on a decadent capitalist camera, I'm pretty sure that neither the sax player or the guy with the obnoxious plastic trumpet made those themselves or exchanged grain for them. Not to mention the whole thing is posted on youtube.

They might as well have been protesting against consuming food and drink containing water.

>>3833319

Implying people have a choice when everything is controlled by corporations.

This will amount to nothing. They're just marching about to feel good about themselves.

ROW ROW FIGHT TEH POWAH

>>3833326

>>3833326

Of course you have a choice. You just don't like your options.

>>3833320
wake up you fucking sheep. thousand points of light is a red herring sent by nibiru

fucking brainwashed pleb

Millionaires are laughing and drinking to your protests. How does that make you feel?

>>3833332
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_points_of_light

The Thousand points of light was a recurring phrase in speeches given by George H. W. Bush. The term was coined by speechwriter Peggy Noonan. In his inaugural address on January 20, 1989, Bush said:
I have spoken of a thousand points of light, of all the community organizations that are spread like stars throughout the Nation, doing good. We will work hand in hand, encouraging, sometimes leading, sometimes being led, rewarding. We will work on this in the White House, in the Cabinet agencies. I will go to the people and the programs that are the brighter points of light, and I will ask every member of my government to become involved. The old ideas are new again because they are not old, they are timeless: duty, sacrifice, commitment, and a patriotism that finds its expression in taking part and pitching in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CWBTL33MpA

The NWO's rule of law not the law of the jungle will rule you all.

>>3833330
Yeah, exactly, fuckwit. Our options suck major ass and some people (not you) are trying to get us better ones.

Holy shit. I don't care how good your message is, if it is presented with free jazz, meditation and ironic unconvincing handlebar 'staches, then NO ONE will take you serious. This is stupid

the rioting is not intensifying to the point where we may not be able to contain it.

If you read illuminati's messages. I feel he is trying to help you. But only those with second sight will see the truth of his words.

P E A C E F U L demon-strations will keep you safe while you deliver you messages.

>>3833340

By banging bongo drums(made by corporations), wearing clothes(made my corporations), posting on laptops(made by fucking apple, a corporation), on the internet(run by corporations). EVERY SINGLE THING THEY DO, supports corporations.

>>3833332

>Doesnt realize that Nibiru is just a Straw-Man of God.
>Doesnt realize that Nibiru/Gods arrival is near, and Final Judgement is imminent.

This is your last chance to repent. you hollow shell of a sinful human.

I agree there's something wrong with the economic situation, but if you listen to >>3832944 a good chunk of the protesters have no idea what's going on. Plus MEDITATION FIXES EVERYTHING Ahaha they really are like every hip-youth generation since fucking Thoreau.
>>3833021
That's how it works dude. Suddenly I'm realizing I DID learn one tiny bit of information from Humanities class.

>>3833356
Sin is just a cryptic 1 way street meaning moral restriction. While karma is a 2 way street.

>>3833362

Do you even understand the word "Repent"?

>>3833367
Jubilee will out preform repentation time after time.

Illuminati, we were the ones who funded Columbus' voyage, so we're the ones who are going to be manipulating the masses of the New World. Go back to Europe.

>>3833319
So the choices are support everything that Wall Street does or live a life of destitution? The idea that you can't truly disagree with anyone you're doing business with is ridiculous.

In other news, according to a volunteer doctor, the most common injury sustained by the protesters are blisters from bongo playing. True facts. I hate how fucking hippies have become the face of left wing ideology.

This thread sure went full retard fast.

I guess I'm just not enlightened, don't have enough 'second sight', or am missing whatever other bullshit these dumbfags keep yakking about.

>>3833385
From the days of Hypogeum of Ħal-Saflieni til now and til then. For what will be will be.

>>3833379

Try to write the same sentiment in a more coherent sentence.

>>3833404
I shall not lower myself to your level.

Look what are they doing now.

>>3833406
That pic gave me cancer.

>>3833405

You are now even more incoherent.
You arent elevated in any manner at all.
It appears that you have not only difficulties in communication, but you also reveal marks of delusion.

You should seek a psychiatrist.
Not just for yourself, but for the safety of the environment as well.

>>3833341
>no one will take it seriously
>impling unions haven't already come out in support of them, and in droves
>they're getting massive amounts of supplies and care packages
>FUCKING MARINES are going there to help PROTECT THE PROTESTERS

it may not be full on serious mode yet, but just wait.If they can hold out a little longer shit is gonna go down.

>>3833426
You spend too much time on Reddit. I do too, don't worry about it.

One thread where a discharged ex-marine says "Ima go down there lol" != FUCKING MARINES are going there to help PROTECT THE PROTESTERS

Looking at what actually happening down there, minus the reddit noise is a different story. It's a bunch of hipster faggots dude. It sucks, but that's what it is.

So, for the sake of an introductory informative piece, I was considering creating an infographic explaining each side's position and how they came to take it, rather than having them argue, just an explanation for the curious.
What would be on it? "They are smelly hipster idiots." is not valid, neither is "CORPORATE GREED 1% greedy Bastards."

>>3833426
>FUCKING MARINES are going there to help PROTECT THE PROTESTERS

>>3833353
Exactly. If someone buys a gun from Smith and Wesson and then proceed to go on a murderous rampage through their HQ, HE SUPPORTS SMITH AND WESSON BECAUSE HE'S USING THEIR PRODUCTS.

>>3833501

Wait huh?

The sales revenue of selling a gun is far smaller than the costs associated with having your HQ assaulted by a man wielding a gun.

Were you kidding?

>>3833550
How's your assburgers?

Liberals fear the corporations
Conservatives fear the government

What you should really fear is your neighbor.

>>3833564

Debilitating and untreated.

>>3833575
>mfw I live in an elderly neighborhood.

I'll be making the calls on my block, boss.

>>3833444
Alright, all done.

>>3833602
10/10

>>3833326
> Implying people have a choice when everything is controlled by corporations.
> DURF DURF DURF

Of course you have a choice. You just don't stick your money into Wall Street's stocks, bonds and other derivatives. Oh wait, you're terrified inflation will eat you alive, so you "must" give your cash to Wall Street Jews.

Enjoy your losses.

>mfw /sci/'s reaction to the protest
They may be relatively uneducated hipster hippies, but at least they're doing SOMETHING. And what matters is as the protests get larger, one person will fucking something up and then we'll likely have full-scale riots.

>>3833640
>one person will fucking something up
*fuck something up

Damn, no sleep.

>>3833640
Who do you think will fire the first "shot heard round the world?"
My money is on the hipsters, since many of them don't know what they are doing and are just getting their youth angstshit out. Plus with recent events like London, I think the cops should be more cautious.

>>3833602
lolled hard

>>3833640
Yeah, because doing something is so much better than doing nothing.

>>3833640

That's actually part of the problem. If you don't know how a car works and you start screwing around with the car chances are something happens you have no feasible way to prepare for. No sane person wants a full-scale riot to happen because innocent people get killed in riots and when that happens that fuels shit elsewhere.

>>3833640
Shut the fuck up with the "they're doing SOMETHING" nonsense.

see >>3833132

I also vote with my wallet. I buy local produce and meats as much as I can. I strive to support local businesses whenever I can (you don't always need to go to Jiffy Lube etc.)

The only money I don't have control over is what I hand over to Uncle Sam. Shit's fucked there because we (read: old people) keep electing the same people that are fucking us/brown people across the globe.

Why are they protesting? Maybe thats a dumb question, but a lot of the people in the videos are giving answers like

"I got fired"
and
"I can no longer afford college"

When I see people protesting like OP's video. I dont feel like, they've analyzed what they want exact, and at the same time they havent analyzed the effectiveness of what they are doing. Its like a problem of rationality. If Im hungry, you have to consider how you resolve that problem, and then you consider the most efficient way of doing that.

>>3833666
>666
Welp

>>3833697

>"I can no longer afford college"

>2011
>Not going to college on a full scholarship

ISHYDDT

oh hai guise!

Capitalism is a good general optimizer because it's evolutionary.

BUT

Optimization doesn't have to be of the quality of products (Advertising can be optimized).
Freedom without regulation is not freedom, it's neglect.

behind their masks
three .gov agents

Fuck individual freedom. Acknowledging that the freedom to kill people is the first step towards acknowledging the failure of the individual freedom. Letting every idiot state their opinion is where the failure of individual freedom is apparent as well, but not as obvious. One can't see this failure without acknowledging that the wiser the population part is, the rarer it is. And that the more intelligent it is, the rarer it is. Intelligent people are a minority.

>>3833686

Those are some terrible tattoos.

stuff like this makes me so embarrassed to go to 4chan.

>>3833640
> They may be relatively uneducated hipster hippies, but at least they're doing SOMETHING.

Thanks for delivering the "Obama Argument" for pointless or damaging behavior.

All they are doing immediately is looking like fools on TV, and then even worse, they depend on Wall Street for their portfolios. So the protesters are not only foolish, but they are exactly part of the problem.

Show me a protester who has gotten rid of his 401K and portfolio. SHOW ME EVEN ONE.

>>3832944
>>3833228
>>3833228
>>3833228
yeah taking up arms against the nation with the biggest military industrial complex SURE IS A GREAT IDEA!

if real revolution happened here, the Tea Party tards would win, because they have the guns, and they're stupid, stupid people dont think as much before they kill, and therefore they kill more people. If you want a fascist theocracy then go ahead, throw a molotov cocktail, dont be a pussy and ask other people to do it, do it yourself. This is how every revolution in the 20th century has played out. Peaceful protests + economic incentives is the best way to go.

>>3833709

Colonel I think I ultimately agree with you, but if a company is optimizing something it shouldnt be its no longer being "optimum"

Here is an anecdote I find interesting:

I had a professor criticize Motorola for thinking too much like engineers. In their manufacturing they focused so much on increasing the efficiency of production they neglected other parts of their business. Similar to how if you spend decades perfecting the way to build black and white TVs, it wont matter when the color TV comes out.

I think you could say the same thing about marketing, except corporations in the last 30 years have spent more and more money on advertising. These companies havent subsequently suffered for that decision. Companies like Nike, which basically dont have any capital or any assets, and just spend money on advertising have been very successful. If you have a problem with that, I dont think you can blame the corporation, because its the customers who have this vulnerability.

You could say "thats morally bad for companies to advertise" and I would be inclined to agree with you. But I think to act on that feeling would be in a way cynical. Because, you would have to believe that human beings are weak and stupid enough to believe advertising, and that like sheep they need to be protected by the government. Problems like advertising (which I think are big problems) are cultural problems.

Ooh, look, they have a prayer group.

>>3833759
I just found out about this a couple of hours ago, so I do not have an index of all the names of all protesters currently in the vicinity of Wall Street and their portfolios.

But I hope it gets bigger. Bigger and bigger. I want to see some shit go down for fucking once, even if it only has a slight chance of being for the better. 'Oh noooo they have iPods and shirts made by corporations, they don't have any right to complain about the simple fact that the rich are getting richer while the poor face increasingly tough times.' I mean really? Really? Because I use Bank of America or something for a year I'm now indebted to them even if they foreclosed on my house or some shit? Let them vent their frustration, and if you won't support it must you really piss on it?

>>3833709
Also, optimizing products/sales != optimizing social welfare (I mean social welfare in the broad sense, not the left-leaning sense). I mean this in the same sense that evolution is orthogonal to the 'welfare' of organisms; the only purpose is propagation.

>>3833426
>unions

lolololol

Also did you forget that the 100s of millions of the silent majority won't take your hippie bullshit and would slap you down harder than any police force if your "movement" gained any traction, because all they want is to be left the fuck alone and not involved in drum beating and fart sniffing which is worse than any corporation you all claim to hate (but still use their products, and hence give them life).

>>3833770

>You could say "thats morally bad for companies to advertise" and I would be inclined to agree with you. But I think to act on that feeling would be in a way cynical. Because, you would have to believe that human beings are weak and stupid enough to believe advertising, and that like sheep they need to be protected by the government. Problems like advertising (which I think are big problems) are cultural problems.

Well, of course, the characteristic of a civilized society is the suppression of these weaknesses.

>>3833602
>bueno

>>3833686
>it's now heroic to sit in a park doing yoga and bitching like a group of women at the hair dressers

Poorfags gonna poor

http://www.in5d.com/occupy-wall-street-the-marines-are-coming-to-protect-the-protestors.html

"“I'm heading up there tonight in my dress blues. So far, 15 of my fellow marine buddies are meeting me there, also in Uniform."

>>3833806

I agree, but, I think that happens on a person level. People as individuals becoming smarter about what they buy for example. People being mindful of their values and their actions. As, its not bad for a corporation to advertise, but it is bad for me to be irresponsible.

>>3833759
What is a 401k and portfolio?

I wish them luck. Anything that pisses off hedge fund managers on their way to work and doesn't bother anyone else can't be that bad.

>>3833823
in b4 15 honourable discharges

>>3833829
> What is a 401k and portfolio?

There are people who are dumber than you, across the scale of all Humans. But not many.

lrn2google
get2education

>>3833834
I hat both sides equally. Both ruin my life on a daily basis.

>>3833838
Sorry for not being from America man.

>>3833126

Fuck you for posting this. I am stupider for having read it.

And this is why no one likes lower middle-class.

>>3833844

401k is a kind of retirement plan for people in America. I think thr 401k is literally just a form from IRS, but the plan is this:

Part of your income goes into an account and that income is exempt from taxes. Likewise your employer can also put money into the account if they choose to do so. You can take that money and invest it in bonds, or stock, or mutual funds if you want and youll make more money off the interest. You arent allowed to take any money out of your 401k until you reach retirement age.

Its a really good retirement plan.

A portfolio isnt an American thing. Its just a term that refers to the sum of your investments. Like if I own a bunch of stock, and then some Gold, my portfolio is that stuff, because its what Ive invested in.

>>3833880
Thanks.

Bump for shitstirring

>>3833880

The issue now is that we (my peers) feel that the 401k investment is too risky. Particularly when the "1%" does the investing for us.

I feel this distrust is at the heart of the protests. Our lives in the US are basically wrapped around going to school and getting a job. And for what? Stuff? Oil?

Sure the protesters have name brand equipment. Part of selling us these things has been brainwashing us into thinking that we want/need it.

Also to say that I would imagine most people in these vids/pics are not really "protesters". I read 100-500 of these people are actually camping out. Most are there for the day, only to provide moral support

>>3833925
>Our lives in the US are basically wrapped around going to school and getting a job.

The same as everywhere else. You're special over there in how your country works.

>>3833932
>derp derp derp

*not

>>3833925

How is the 401k risky?

You are tying your retirement to stocks and bonds, but on a time scale of 30-50 years you will certainly have made money

>>3833932

Sure, I was only keeping it context of myself. My point is that there is more to life than this. The corporations don't want us to see this though.

>>3833942

I admit I know very little about this. However, the investment is only valuable if it is honored. The lack of trust (in my circle of friends) is quite large

>>3833098
if you want to make enemies. try to change something

roflololo

1 in 3 people in New York need food stamps or assistance to live.

Donald Trump owns a solid gold toilet.

The beauty of capitalism!

So this has been going on 14 days?

And yet no Britfag media (not even leftist BBC) has even mentioned it let alone reported on it.

Strange.

Most of these people are uneducated...

they grew up to make up excuses and blame "the big man"

Corporations have power because they give 70% of our taxes, whereas the 99% only give the other 30%.

Fucking idiots.

>>3833961
lol

"all the hate. all the violence. all the lies. has a source. and it is tearing this world apart"

>>3833984
>Corporations have power because they give 70% of our taxes, whereas the 99% only give the other 30%.
Sauce?

>>3833984

This is exactly what the protests are about

Fuck the protesters.

>>3833996

he's a fucking retard. THEY PAY THE LOWEST TAXES AND THEY ADMIT IT.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-ta
x-loopholes.html

link related

>>3833984

Im pretty sure those numbers arent true.

I heard the other day that the bottom 95% pays 40% of the income tax. the top .01% pays 40% as well. Everyone in between pays 20%.

These here link says corporate income tax generates 15% of the government revenue:

http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/article/0,,id=102886,00.html
http://askville.amazon.com/percentage-revenue-income-tax/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=6872434

Employment taxes include things like social security, which get paid directly from employers and employees, but if you ask me, (and a lot of other people), employees pay for 100% because the costs just get passed on to the consumer.

Bear in mind the hippie liberals are the ones that don't own guns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB71GjYE-50

Income inequality is destroying the prosperity of the country.

I'm not against free markets but I am against the current form of capitalism we have. We need a capitalism where human dignity and social justice are valuable. Corporations and the rich will continue to trample us until helping others is more important than protecting the bottom line a bit more.

>>3834025

Uh, we sure fucking do

>>3834025

First of all, that's a lie. I'm what an ignorant tard like you would call a hippie liberal and yet I fucking love guns and own multiple.

Second of all, "hippie liberals" apparently come from all walks of life and are fighting for YOU against the elites. Show some god damn respect.

>>3834044
>fighting for YOU against the elites

lol

I like gun ownership.

Comrade Hippies. Thank you.

It's nice that some people are doing something.

But these aren't the right people and what they're doing is not the right thing.

They need baseball bats, guns, slings, rocks, bricks etc and a more aggravated and more organized and aggressive approach.

As the marxists used to say, they aren't class conscious enough.

>drums and vuvuzelas
Nah, I'll take broken capitalism over a bunch of hippies

no THIS is a demonstration

>>3832997
this candy-ass is right, HIPPIES stop protesting peacfully. Put on that white mask and blow shit up. like Zombie Hippies

>>3833272
DO YOU KNOW WHEN ILL BE READY?

>mfw these Wall Street motherfuckers say without flinching in interviews that they don't give a shit about the economy or how to help fix it, they just care about how they're going to profit from this
>mfw people continue to defend these sociopaths

>>3833422
>>3833422
>>3833422

Speaking,

in prose,

does not,

signify your

elevated

intelligence,

sir.

So what exactly are these hipsters planning on doing once they "over throw" wall street? If they cant even organize themselves now, what do they plan on doing IF anything succesfull happens?
oh wait, they are hipsters. all they know is how to spend daddys money, listen to annoying shit, smoke pot, and not work.

>>3833343
Why contain it? Let it spill over into the banks and stock exchanges, let the hipsters pile up in the streets. In the end, they'll beg us to recharge their iPhones.

>>3834122
IF YOU'RE NOT WITH US YOU'RE AGAINST US

>>3834123

What should I do now?
An argument on 4chan
Commit suicide

Its George Costanza
Biology: Hard Science
This joke is forever

>>3833329
not everyone can learn from this the way we can. The way things can own us is far from what the general population is capable of excepting.

Some fool just has to find the way to tell them.
xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

i want someone to go down there with a troll face mask and a sign that says "u mad hipsters?"

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

4k viewers 6 hours ago.. now 14k

prepare for glory

>implying there aren't serious problems with corporate personhood/lobbyists in this country
>implying every politician doesn't owe favors to their anonymous campaign donors
>implying the same bankers that took stupid risks that they knew would eventually fail (credit default swaps, quants, etc.) and crashed the economy are in jail and not collecting larger bonuses than before the crash
>implying the current speaker of the house didn't hand out $2,000 checks from the tobacco lobby to every member of congress before they voted on a tobacco related measure
HERP DERP NOTHING WRONG WITH OUR COUNTRY FUCK THOSE SOCIALIST HIPPIES GAWD BLESS AMURIKA

>see pic
>think Rome is starting up again
>it is not
>it never will
>my face

>>3834142

It might be fun to dress up as a stereotypical rich 1920's industrialist and pull around a cart full of boxes that say stuff like "Mein Kapital"

>>3833344
EVERYONE SHOULD CONSIDER THIS. Who says the illuminati arnt on newt-getriched. Anonymous to equal to all on the nets.

Sorry, but I'd rather not side with a bunch of fags standing in the streets doing nothing.

American Revolution? A revolution created by actuall hard-working, intelligent, organized, disciplined, and determined grown men with a goal that would have them killed if spoken about.
This "Revolution"? A group of teenagers who have no clue what they are protesting, think they are making a difference, and have no discipline. "uhh...big buisness is bad, man...i cant get a job...maybe its because i look like a hippy, stand in the street all day, and spend all my money on weed...but nah that cant be it. all those people with hard earned degrees who worked to make money are evil, man"

yeah fuck you.

>>3833385
where would the star dust you posess and own be without thems?us?You? maybe they want everyone to join?

http://www.livestream.com/owslosangeles

http://twitter.com/#!/OccupyWallSt

http://twitter.com/#!/who_to_follow/search/occupy

So many cities, shit's gonna go down.

>>3834146
also
>implying our government doesn't continue to gut social services while continuing to ramp up the military-industrial complex
>implying we haven't been in afghanistan for 10 years
>implying we aren't conducting covert strikes in pakistan
>implying we don't waste millions of dollars every time we launch a missile at a bunch of kids in libya/iraq/afghanistan/pakistan

Can you imagine a few well placed bombs in those crowds and the amount of sympathy they can get if they simply pin that on the conspiring corps? I wonder if they will ever take the martyrdom and actually become all epic and awesome.

>>3834017

>I heard the other day that the bottom 95% pays 40% of the income tax. the top .01% pays 40% as well. Everyone in between pays 20%.

Speaking of which, I can't find a statistic on how much money the US gets from each bracket of taxpayers. Can anyone find that?

>>3834178
>twitter

>>3834222

Here you go bud:

http://g-mond.parisschoolofeconomics.eu/topincomes/

>>3834178

You are actually deluded if you think that anything is actually going to happen. Suprisingly, the people that keep Wall St afloat (the upper crust and middle class) like the way capitalism makes their lives comfortable.

Nothing's going to happen, because most people are happy.

why are they acting like hippie morons? do they not want to be taken seriously?

The liberal tea party appears!
about fucking time

>>3834232

>Nothing's going to happen, because most people are happy.

You're in denial if you think this. I don't think you realize just how many people in this country are FURIOUS.

>>3834245

If people were furious, there would be more than a couple hundred people protesting. And look at the demograph of protestors as well. They're mostly young adults getting their rebellion out.

A country like Egypt was furious. The US is a relatively happy place.

So what do these protesters want instead of capitalism?

That's right, nothing is wrong with America. Nothing to get mad or angry about. Nothing to march or protest about. Protesters are simply angry children with too much time on their hands; you're better than them for realizing America is great and needs no changes.

Did you hear about what happened on Jersey Shore last night? Yes, you should discuss that instead of the blatant corruption going on in your government.

>>3834245
my rich uncle actually believes and has asserted that the jobless are not working "because they are lazy"
as if I could get a job if i just tried harder.
some people up in /sci/ are rich, and believe crazy shit like this.
My uncle really has said this. He's not a COMPLETE retard.
reality is distorted by teapartiers and corps
i vote we chop their balls off

>>3834264
> can't get a job
> has tried to the max
> spends his days on 4chan

>>3834254

The egyptian protests started out with the same amount and for a few weeks petered out.

I'm not saying this is going to turn out the same way but there are plenty of reasons people aren't protesting. For one thing, people don't even know about them if they aren't active and knowledgeable internet users. Then the ones that do don't think it'll go anywhere yet and are demoralized.

Then there are people that buy into the whole "they are just dumb hippie kids" nonsense.

Or they're just nowhere near NYC, or they have some shitty job which they can't abandon to protest because they have mouths to feed, etc etc etc.

>>3834254

haha, nice one. The media tells you they are representing everyone, so you believe their viewpoint is the popular/right one. I'm glad you realize this.

>>3834232
this is the problem. Dont blame the governments. they mean only to govern there peeps.
In order to end the everything wrong with all of us, all of us must be blamed, the innocent must join the hated and the hated must join the innocent. Project Anonymous must be what governs the world.

JP Morgan buys NYPD
for USD 4.6 million

the bankers loot
the politicians lie
the rich laugh

some slaves
are defending
their slavery

>>3834245
People are happy? Who? The poor aren't happy. The middle class obviously isn't happy because the life they worked so hard for is becoming less and less attainable every year. The only ones who are a little bit happy are the rich, and even then a lot of them aren't happy. But mostly, the middle class is FUCKING PISSED.

>>3834268
can't get a job
have tried to the max
spend my FREE time on 4chan
the rest of it is spent doing schoolwork so i can get a degree so i can get a job

>>3834264
>the jobless are not working "because they are lazy"
Gotta love that Protestant work ethic. I'm pretty sure capitalism + Protestant work ethic is the reason we're in this shit today.

For those not in the know:
>The Protestant work ethic (or the Puritan work ethic) is a concept in sociology, economics and history, attributable to the work of Max Weber. It is based upon the notion that the Calvinist emphasis on the necessity for hard work as a component of a person's calling and worldly success is a visible sign or result (not a cause) of personal salvation.

So basically: those who are rich are obviously good people, and those who are poor are filthy, lazy, and God doesn't love them.

>>3834275
It will never work because it will be a shamble of egos trying to one up another. It will be just like current politics, back to square one. No true system has come close to relative peace as democracy, and the whole change the world thing is just a load of dreamers granduer. Some parts of the world, like New Zealand where I am from have no real problems, our last weeks headline was about a rescued penguin who went missing, people like the way the things are and they will never ascribe to an ideology borne of problems from another land unless it is pan-national in its outset and view. There is peace and stability in regions all over the world, but when a political or idealogical group threatens to upturn the way of things resistance is inevitable. The project is set to implode on itself if it ever starts.

>>3834260
you say our governments are currupt..your pic says the eye people are conTROLLing them all. you say they are the currupt.
Are you currupt?

>>3833996
>>3833997
>>3834015
>>3834017
>>3834009


Here's the sauce

http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

By the way, ALL companies have ALWAYS tried to do tax avoidance.

Government has ALWAYS been influenced by the rich, it's human nature.

U.S is just a world power repeating history, in a different (modern) context.

>>3834296
Nah, the image is from Dee's Illustration, which is normally associated with the tinfoil hat crowd, but I agree in spirit with this image.

I don't believe the BAVARIAN ILLUMINATI SHADOW PEOPLE are in control of the world. If you shopped out the "eye", it would be just as effective an image.

>>3834280
your pic defines what everyone is looking for lol

>>3834304
your disbeleif slows the world uniting
J/S

>>3834300

These numbers arent even about corporations. This about the income tax of individuals. Corporate income tax is something else.

>>3834317
Isn't there a correlation?

>>3834319

A correlation between what and what?

Income tax is one policy, corporate income tax is another one. They dont necessarily have to be the same. Like in Europe they have higher income taxes than corporate taxes (in a general sense), in the US its mostly the other way around. High income taxes and low taxes on corporations.

>>3834295
>>3834295

Democratic Communism? You can vote who you want in power but they're still bound by things like a parliament or senate and can be voted out of power. Sort of the way it is now just without money with a look towards the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. True communism needs no money. China's SORT of doing it and look at them they're still raping the U.S.

>>3834325
what about Respectful Loving Communisom?
true true communisom doesnt need money, but as organic meat sacks..we dont either..but we do.

Maybe if everyone STOP talking about the money...then we can focus on important things. Money makes you weak anyway.

>OP

>>3834307
>everyone

not everyone
USA: 23%

end corporate personhood

>>3833027
>implying thast conservatives have a working knowlegde of the economy

oh hai I am going to go complain about socialism and then go vote for farm subsidies, brb

>implying that liberty is not a liberal

learn what the word means and check his positions he is a liberal, as are most people in the western world, asside from a few nazis and anarchists and communists.

And he gets alot of hate because he often says alot of ignorant bullshit. This time he is correct, America IS a welfare state. And Corporations are the biggest recipients by far. They love to suckle the public tit.

>THIS IS FANTASTIC , I DO HOPE IT WILL GROW WORLDWIDE AND IT CAN WAKE UP THE REST OF HUMANITY, TO REALISE WE ARE ALL BEING CONTROLLED BY DICTATORIAL GOVERNMENTS WHO ARE NO LONGER OUR SERVANTS WHICH THEY SHOULD BE , BUT ARE BECOMING OUR MASTERS , WE CAN NOT LET THIS HAPPEN . POWER TO THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN TRUTH AND GOODNESS . LETS ROCK THIS WORLD .
First comment I saw

So what exactly are they doing apart from shouting and playing music?

>>3834324
LOL corporations in the US pay the top bracket income tax rate, currently 35%.
They pay the top bracket cuz the collective corp is viewed as a single taxable entity, and as an entity the corp makes well over the top bracket threshold.
Currently corps use tax loopholes to dodge this, and end up paying a lot less.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6080561/ns/business-forbes_com/t/us-corporations-paying-less-taxes/#.Toe
3CECwfec
This link from the bush years show what was happening.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/01/ge-exxon-walmart-business-washington-corporate-taxes.html
and there is another from very recently.
You all are failures in my book :D
>>3834389
liberty is a libertarian troll devised by someone to troll against socialist-sounding ideas on /sci/

>>3834464

I am not an expert in taxation or anything. But I am pretty sure corporate income taxes are different from personal income taxes.

Your links are just about corporations avoiding taxation, which is irrelevant.

>>3834480
If a corporation is a "person," shouldn't it pay personal income taxes?

>>3834464
Calling Liberty a troll is giving him too much credit. I think he's actually just that dumb.

>>3834488

Well, first of all, I think the idea of "corporate personhood" is really just a talking point for people who dont like the idea of "corporate personhood." Its true that we tax the income of corporations, and we tax the income of people, and in that sense both the corporation and individual people are both entities. Corporations arent people in that the law regarding people doesnt literally apply to corporations they way some of the more liberal act like it does.

Corporations have income, and that income is taxes, so yeah they pay an income tax. I dont know how that income tax works relative to the taxation of personal income a human might face.

I should elaborate, that, even if corporations face the same income tax that people do (which I dont really know is the face), that doesnt consider the fact that all states and nations have special taxes on corporations. In Europe they use a lot of value added taxes which pretty much apply only to production.

Wikipedia says:

"Corporations may be taxed on their incomes, property, or existence by various jurisdictions. Many jurisdictions impose a tax based on the existence or equity structure of the corporation. For example, Maryland imposes a tax on corporations organized in that state based on the number of shares of capital stock issued and outstanding. Many jurisdictions instead impose a tax based on stated or computed capital, often including retained profits."

>>3834515

that income is taxed***

Cant type no good

More people protest today than yesterday. Seems like it's getting bigger.

I went through a phase when I tried to say offensive things too. Every comment disregarding this "event" remind me of that phase.

>>3834222

I heard about a new web-site by the guy who keeps track of all of the US' spending. I wish I remembered more about it... Perhaps this:

http://www.usaspending.gov/

Gives my computer a hard time, but looks pretty sweet.

Peaceful protests take too long to accomplish anything. If they want to accomplish anything they should make enough molotov cocktales to torch the place and then zerg-rush wall street.
Lulz would ensue.

corporations get taxed twice, once for income tax and again when they distribute dividends

>>3834488
The legal definition of person is different from the economic meaning of person. Corporations should not pay personal income taxes because that income will be taxed when it is distributed to shareholders as dividends or capital gains. Taxing corporate income in addition to taxing it when it is distributed is double taxation. Double taxation imposes a higher tax on saving income through investment (as opposed to spending it immediately on consumptoin) and also imposes a higher tax on the C corporation organizational form as opposed to S corporations, partnerships, limited liability partnerships, sole proprietorships, and limited liability corporations.

>>3834464
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jan/03/pat-toomey/pat-toomey-says-us-has-hig
hest-corporate-tax-rates/
Your links talk about 2002 and 2003, over eight years ago, and do not show how countries compare in corporate tax rates. The US corporate tax rate is extremely high In 2011, it was the 2nd highest in the OECD.

>>3834528

I agree. If they went home and came back with rifles, stormed the proverbial bastille and publicly gave revolutionary trials and hung a bunch of wall street thugs and bankers the country would go nuts.

But it can only happen once the protests get larger, which they are. Violent or nonviolent, protests need to be LARGE.

>>3834541
If they went home and came back with rifles they would be killed mercilessly by our militarized police force. Don't kid yourself.

Banks need better regulation? Try a credit union.

>>3834531

I think corporate double taxation just refers to the fact that their income is taxed, and so is the income of all the individuals in the corporation.

Do dividends get taxed? Maybe individuals get a capital gains tax from dividends. But I dont know that the corporation gets taxed for giving a dividend.

>>3834564
Whoa whoa whoa, stop right there! We're trying to DO SOMETHING here. Why don't you get the hell out!

At least we're doing SOMETHING, rite?

>>3834528
Yeah just look at how successful the black panthers were.

Serious protest and civil disobedience are more effective, but it's only when it's actually organized and has realistic demands.

MLK and the gang, got willingly beat down and hosed down like dogs and didn't say shit. They got arrested for no reason and took their arrests like men, even the women.

These whiny faggots have accomplished nothing but giving liberals a bad name.

Even if they just start chucking molotovs then the police will massacre them and even most sane people will probably cheer for the police, because no one likes an instigator.

They need to go out there and CONVINCE people about whatever the fuck it is they want. What they're doing now is just one great big circle jerk.

>>3834571
>Do dividends get taxed? Maybe individuals get a capital gains tax from dividends. But I dont know that the corporation gets taxed for giving a dividend.

All corporate profits are taxed. The corporations can then distribute these profits to individuals in one of two methods: share buybacks or dividends. Both are then taxed at the individual level. Dividend income counts as normal income and is taxed at whatever tax bracket the individual is in. Capital Gains is taxed at a lesser rate.

Either way there is double taxation: once at the corporate and once at the individual level.

Hmm...you know most people who you claim "control" america for their own good are infact just ordinary people. they have families, sons in the military, daughters, dogs, etc. They buy the same foods and products as you. They arent part of some big seperate race of people that you will never be. go read and do some research; a lot of presidents started from nothing, and are ordinary men who just went the extra mile and knew when and when not to fold them.
they aren't out to get you. they want money. you want money. they found a great way to take care of their family. sure some are greedy and dishonorable, but they are some good men you are protesting also.
just saying. america is a land of competition.

you arent going to get ahead by stoping to stand in the streets to whine while they keep running. please get educated.

everyone has a fair oppertunity. deal with it.

Why are just the fat babies out protesting? Where are their parents who lost their jobs and retirement and healthcare? Nobody is going to give a shit unless they see some baby boomers actually sticking their necks out.

>>3834571

>Do dividends get taxed?

Yes you idiot. Double taxation refers to the owners of the corporation--shareholders--effectively getting a double tax on the income the entity they own generates. It is taxed once at a rate of 35 percent on income above $18 million and again when the corporation pays dividends to the shareholders--this is either a 0 or 15 percent tax. It's zero if you make less then $34,000--everyone protesting on Wallstreet--and 15 if you make more.

>Maybe individuals get a capital gains tax from dividends.

Retard

>>3834621

Baby boomers dont have necks.

>>3834613

Implying the president isn't just some figure tricking the masses into believing that he's the one making all the decisions

>>3834591

>Dividend income counts as normal income

That hasn't been true for a decade. Dividends are taxed at the capital gains rate (0/15%)

>>3834613
in theory

>>3834630

I meant from the corporations perspective, not the individuals. I thought the original guy was saying corporations get taxed for giving a dividend.

I accpet fully that dividends get taxed from the perspective of individuals who receive the dividend.

>>3834635
Thanks for the correction.

>>3834572
>At least we're doing SOMETHING, rite?

That's one of my biggest pet peeves. It is the absolute worst excuse for incompetence there is, and it usually comes from people who have some ideological agenda but lack the wisdom to understand its place among other related systems.

>>3834632
if your conspiracy theories were a fact then this country wouldnt have even lifted off the grounds from great britian.
Politics is reserved for men. a paranoid kid like you wouldnt understand.

>>3834645

>corporations get taxed for giving a dividend.

Of course they do. But they do get something called a dividend received deduction which is a tax credit that can eliminate 70, 80, or 100 percent of the dividend from their income taxes depending on how much of that other corporation this one actually owns.

>>3834666

Let me rephrase.

The one giving isn't taxed ever for giving a dividend--except for certain rules with excess earnings and profits.

That DRD credit goes to the corporation getting the dividend

>>3834613
If you really think our economy resembles competition in any industry that is truly worth competing, then you are retarded.
Auto-manufacturing? Nope.
Energy? Nope.
Technology? Nope. Each company has a specific target market. Apple isn't out to get Microsoft, nor vice versa. The only place resembling competition is the smartphone front because Google just doesn't give a fuck and that gets Microsoft, Apple, and Sony's panties in a bunch. Which is why we have patent wars.
The closest things we have to competition is monopolistic competition and there are very few of them. Oligopoly's for the win, apparently.

>everyone has a fair oppertunity. deal with it.
Yep, the Bush family had the same connections and tuition funds than a kid from Compton.
I'm sure Bush has arrived home to find his neighbor's house riddled with bullets from a drive-by.
It's like everyone else is just lazy right? Including military veterans who are injured so badly that they can't support themselves or their families who will continue to spiral into debt as the kids see their fridge have less and less food.
Go fuck yourself, asshole. You don't know shit about the military, poverty, or struggle.

>>3834673
>>3834666

Okay I think we are on the same page now then.

Corporations get taxed for their income, the income which they use to pay the divident
Special rules might tax a dividend, but there are also rules to get that as a deduction.

Am I following you?

I never understood people who complain about corporations getting taxed too much.
GE payed $0.00 in taxes last year.
Not a single cent. Not a single, fucking cent.

>>3834613
All 3 of those men were Freemasons.

>>3834630
> Double taxation refers to the owners of the corporation--shareholders--effectively getting a double tax on the income the entity they own generates.

Look, doucher, it's simple.

Taxes are paid by the entity that's taxed.

The income of the corporation is taxed.

Then the dividends received by the shareholders are taxed.

TWO DIFFERENT FUCKING ENTITIES, SHITBAG!!!!

If you don't like that, then you're only being bitten by the other edge of that sword that you swing against the middle class. You wanted your corporation to LEGALLY BE A PERSON. Well, persons pay tax. Don't like that? REVOKE CORPORATE PERSONHOOD.

Or shut the FUCK up. I'm tired of your self-serving and provably wrong comments, you violent fucking simian asshole.

>>3834680

Yeah sure. They are only entitled to that deduction if they get dividends from another corporation

>>3834689
>facepalm.jpg
Yes, the President of the United States and Comrade Stalin were both in a secret fraternity who control the world, even though we had Cold War with the USSR a few years later.

>>3834660
LOL this post RIGHT HERE just made my day. he must have been one of those kids who forgets he's playing grown-up dealing with money. Conspiricy?

America,Europe,Asia,sAmerica, and the other fucks are just name for land. As if you can compare human activity to other human activity.
Yes im a individual who doesnt have to fully depend on myself. Should i give a fuck?

When the blaming stops...the mask come off. Anonymous rule the world bros..whether your awhere or not. To bad the people under the stairs are waiting for someone to reveal them without revealing them.

>>3834675
Kid, just shut up.

Microsoft, Ford, Wal-Mart, all the big buisnesses "out to get you" didn't drop from the sky. Tired of them? Start your own auto manufacturer, grocery store, or software provider. You have to work hard and be motivated. Thats competion my friend. Not every country in the world has that opportunity.


Yes, the kid from compton has an opportunity aswell.

Abraham Lincoln
>mom died at 9
>was dirt poor
>looked down upon
>considered ugly
>worked hard
>became president

deal with it.

>>3834725
>IMPLYING BARRIERS TO ENTRY DON'T EXIST IN MOST MARKETS THESE DAYS

>>3834736

Actually, no. Most markets have had barriers lowered, because of the Internet. Small/Part-time businesses are doing pretty well, in comparison.

>>3834736
>>3834736
>imypling they didnt exist when those companys were created

hur dur. im glad im not a retard.


the reason most of these protestors are kids is because they are finally learning to live off of dad and moms wealth.

>>3834698

>Look, doucher

Ad hominen attacks make you look you like you have no argument to be made

>Taxes are paid by the entity that's taxed.

Good you understand basic tax law

>The income of the corporation is taxed.

Of course

>Then the dividends received by the shareholders are taxed.

Yes

>TWO DIFFERENT FUCKING ENTITIES, SHITBAG!!!!

One is the legal owner and subservient to the other though. Shareholders regularly vote for and elect the boards of directors for the corporations that they own.

>If you don't like that,

Don't like what?

>then you're only being bitten by the other edge of that sword that you swing against the middle class.

What are you ranting about?

>You wanted your corporation to LEGALLY BE A PERSON.

Who is "you" and do you even have a point to make?

>Well, persons pay tax.

Well yes. I hoped you hadn't forgotten since you started typing

>Don't like that?

No one ever said such a thing.

>REVOKE CORPORATE PERSONHOOD.

What? Are we still talking about taxes?

>Or shut the FUCK up.

no u

>I'm tired of your self-serving and provably wrong comments,

What has been provably wrong?

>you violent fucking simian asshole.

Ad hominen attacks

>>3834725

>He thinks is still possible to compete as a new company against the mega-collusion monsters of today!

>>3834749
So the logical thing to do is to buy their products, complain that they are too big, and sit around while telling yourself that it is useless to try to compete? Called laziness.

>>3834725

You sir, are delusional.

Companies today can, and will, extinguish any serious attempt from a third party to create new competition on their market.

>>3834749

>He still thinks he can't research small businesses on the magic of the Internet!

If you don't want to buy into big businesses, you don't have to.

>>3834757
By your tone, I suppose the actual logical thing to do would be to go all-in on a rigged game instead.

>>3834725
>out to get you.
Did I say that?
Does anywhere in my statement imply I am being victimized?
No, I said there is no real competition. Fucking fact.
How about you take an Econ class or get off /sci/.
To think that those corporations don't cockblock up and coming companies is plain retarded.
Google as an example. They attempted to get into the mobile OS market and are getting lawsuits left and right.
This is a corporation who already makes billions a year, and they are having difficulty entering into another market.
>Abraham Lincoln
In an era where you didn't have to go to college to become a lawyer, yeah you could do a lot more than today. Lincoln just bought books, took the bar exam, and became a lawyer.
Is it impossible for a kid from Compton to become President? No. But to tell every single one whose seen more shit by the age of 8 than you will your entire life that he's lazy for not starting an auto-manufacturing company and has no room to complain for having the shittiest schools in the nation is bullshit.
>>3834744
Yeah, I could see how the internet can help me become an oil company or auto-manufacturer.
>>3834750
>implying they did.
Ford was the first manufacturer. Toyota and Nissan the first in Japan. Mercedes was the first in Germany.
All auto-manufacturers started in the very beginning.
Microsoft was the first real personal OS, Apple one of the first computers period.
>>3834757
I don't complain that I can't compete with them. I have no interest in competing with them.
I have a problem with companies like GE paying $0.00 for taxes.

>>3834763
Rome wasn't built in one day.

>>3834763
Kinda like how Blockbusters and Hastings/etc squashed out Redbox and Netflix?

Or do you mean how Amazon was squashed out by Border's/Barnes&Nobles/the like?

So basically, the protesters are protesting that rich people have too much money, which they want so that they will become rich instead?

That's some backwards logic right there.

>>3834763

What is a "serious" attempt?

>>3834780
Are you expecting another revolution like the internet to come around soon?

>>3834749

eBay was founded in the late nineties by a man looking to find a place to easily exchange Pez dispensers. He started a little online shop that slowly evolved and expanded its business until it became one of the largest businesses on the internet.

That's just one. Google, Facebook, Myspace, LinkedIn, Red Bull, 4chan, and other are new business that have been wildly successful. There will be new opportunities in industries that don't even exist yet, but instead of taking advantage of it and crateing a new revolutionary product, you will just go put a rubber mask on your head and camp on Wallstreet

>>3834748
> One is the legal owner and subservient to the other though. Shareholders regularly vote for and elect the boards of directors for the corporations that they own.

So? Personhood still exists and that's what governs the result. And the result is that two entities are taxed, not one, hence it CANNOT POSSIBLY BE double taxation. So either accept that truth along with your blessed corporate personhood, or denounce corporate personhood. There is no third option, which in your case is whiny bitchiness.

And you're still a fuckfencer, full of fartfurlongs.

>>3834757

Even if you somehow manage to carve yourself a spot into the game, the conglomerates will attempt to buy you right away, and unless you somehow managed to retain 51% of your company while rising to the top, most investors would be all to happy to sell it.

>>3834782
Pretty much. It's sad that some people still believe that "wealth" is somehow gratifying.

>>3834787

>Creating a whole new market != competing in one.

Facebook, Ebay, and the such were services that didn't exist previously, and managed to grow explosively because of that.

>>3834795
I don't know, I'd have a hell of a garagelab if I was in the .1%. Shit would be pretty cash.

>>3834782
>hurr durrrrrr
No, they are complaining that rich people can buy votes, quite literally.
They are asking the government to not allow corporations to donate to campaign funds to allow all voters to have an equal voice.
They are asking corporations to pay the same rate of taxes as them.
They are not asking for rich people to buy them things.

>>3834801
see
>>3834780

>>3834780
>Blockbuster
Physical media in a store for rent.
>Netflix
Online viewing of films for a monthly price with mail in dvd's. They aren't renting them out, its a subscription service. New concept, market that is pushing out an old industry which is physical rental of media.
>Border's/Barnes&Nobles/the like
Book stores.
>Amazon
Online store selling thousands of different products straight from manufacturers rather than fellow users, thus allowing for peace of mind in purchase. Some of these products, include books.
If you're talking about the Kindle, Amazon came up with the first physical ereader device.

>>3834780

That isn't competition.

That is new media overcoming the old.

>>3834801

>Social media didn't exist before Facebook

Are you some kind of retard?

>>3834819
>You
A faggot

>>3834780
>New market/industry forcing out old!=competing in a currently existing market

>>3834824

On Facebook's level?

No, there wasn't.

>>3834827
Great argument. I guess we shouldn't tax corporations.
Why isn't this theory discussed in Econ classes, today?!
It's groundbreaking!

>>3834805
Yes, that's what the message is SUPPOSED to be. However, look at all the examples in the video. All they're doing is complaining about how poor they are, regardless of how poor they really might be (remember the fancy electronics and such).

I'd bet that if you were to walk up to any protester, and give them a million bucks, they'd cease protesting and go home.

>>3834789

Nigga you dumb.

Contrast this with a sole-proprietorship. It is where the owner of the firm is the same as the manager and he bears all liability as a result. The income his little mom and pop shop make goes directly into his taxes, the one who owns the firm. This is taxed on his 1040 (sched c) just like the income one would make from being an employee at McDonald's.

If you decide one day to change your company into a corporation in order to gain some of the limited liability, you would no longer, as the owner, be able to take the income of the firm directly into your taxes. It is first taxed when your company makes a profit during the year. Then when you as the owner make the corporation pay a dividend so that you can reap the benefits of the company you own, you would then have to pay a tax on the income that was already taxed.

It is double taxation. I can't fathom why you are arguing this

>>3834833
What is MySpace..and before that Xanga..and before that etc etc..

Just because it isnt as big as Facebook doesnt mean it doesnt exist

I'm curious if anyone in this thread can defend the bank and auto bailouts. If there is supposed to be competition in the markets then perhaps the only real competition that exists today is for the most subsidies. It's natural for the little people to want to be bailed out as well.

>>3834845
Myspace was basically a personal blogging site with messaging capabilities.
Facebook is a site which the primary focus is communicating.
Facebook was successful because they offered something to college students that Myspace didn't.
The exclusion of shiny, annoying profiles and middle-schoolers.
Exclusivity was the selling point, until everyone wanted to get in because college kids were in.
Also, social networking is typically one-horse race. When facebook became successful, Myspace died. If Google plus becomes successful, Facebook will die.
You don't really compete for an extended period of time, you only try to replace another.

>>3834855

>Trying to replace another competitor
>not competition

>>3834849
The large banks are like a man who goes around and breaks everyone's windows every night. This keeps the town thriving with a bustling glass repair industry. If he were to disappear, those people who install windows will be out of a job.

>>3834845

>Just because it isnt as big as Facebook doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

Are you trying to imply that MySpace could have become as big as Facebook had it been in it's place?

Because that argument really doesn't fly.

>>3834863
That's an interesting analogy. However, I do agree that if America hadn't completely screwed up everything the first time around, and actually built a working system, none of this would be happening.

>>3834863

This is demonstrate the broke window fallacy

>I cant believe how appropriate it is to say this.

Just because we had to spend money fixing windows. Doesnt mean we couldnt spend the money on something else.

If he didnt break the window, we would have
1. A window
2. Maybe a hot dog too

If he did break the window we have:
1. a window

>>3834862
>implying I said there wasn't competition.
Reading comprehension, you need it.
I said they don't compete for extended periods of time.
Myspace died, in like what? Eight months after Facebook went open?
The only real competition today, is on the internet. We've established that, but it's only a matter of time before social networking becomes a monopoly.
Search engines already are, basically.
Google control about 90% of the American market.
You think anything can replace Google?
Wait five years, after the Google Plus battle, social networking will have crowned a king.

>>3834882

demonstration***

>>3834874

That's why credit unions exist. People found the banks to be impossible to deal with so they made their own.

>>3834883

I don't understand your point, then. The Facebook argument started because someone said that you can't compete due to monopolies, and gave Facebook as an example. Which is clearly retarded, because besides Google+, all social media had small beginnings.

>mfw fucking idiots do not understand the difference between capitalism and corruption

>>3834908
The Facebook example was showing that the reason so many small internet business explode is because they are creating new markets.
>All social media had small beginnings.
Again, explained above. It's a virgin market.
Social networking sites like Myspace, facebook are what? 10 years old?
I'm saying eventually these expanding markets will also reach monopoly status.
Like search engines.

So in short, we're fucked, they are laughing at us for even trying, and it will only get worse in the future.

...

Come on Yellowstone, blow up already.

>Murrika shaking the shackles of plutocracy.

Yeah...I don't see it happening.

This protest was orchestrated by idiots.

>Occupy Wallstreet
Poor word choice here...to say the least.

>Protestors don't seem to have formulated goals / plans

You're kidding, right? All that effort to organize the first massive protest of Wallstreet since what? Like before WWII? Biggest in history, perhaps?

Ruined! By a bunch of uneducated hippies (I'm sorry, but that's what they are) attaching mockery to a concept that's perfectly valid in its own right.

The New Left still has no strategy, it's the truth :(

A silly collective of regular people who over estimate their self worth in the system as individuals. Doomed to spin their worthless circles of whispering opinions which will die down to mean nothing with in a few weeks.

>>3834844
> Contrast this with a sole-proprietorship.

Why? A SP is not a corporation and therefore isn't a person under the law. Therefore it's not a taxpaying entity. The owner is. Since the same income stream is taxed twice by ONE entity, then THAT is double taxation. Only in the case of SPs.

> It is double taxation.

For SP. Not for corporations.

> I can't fathom why you are arguing this

It's because people like you are douchenozzles and defend corporations so vigorously that you no longer make sense. Like I said, revoke corporate personhood or SHUT THE FUCK UP about this "double taxation" fucking bullshit. The corporation as a person, and pays tax. The shareholders are people, and pay tax. Two entities, two tax payments, so there's nothing wrong here... except the nasty liquid sounds of your braindouching.

>>3834548
Implying there would be enough police to stop them.
I'm talking 100,000+ armed with rifles.
If you think the police could control that then you are an idiot.
Just look at the battle of Stalingrad.

>>3834325
HA HA HA. China is state-run capitalism. So was post-war Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore until the 90's.
It fucking works for economic growth, but it's not Communism. Also, instead of rich capitalists you get corrupt government officials, so either way the poor get fucked and the middle class works its ass off to tread water.

>>3834913
this

>wake up
>turn on news
>400 hippies arrested on a bridge in new york
>drivers reporting an over bearing smell of bo and tofu

Lawd this thread is full of sum straw man XD

I don't fucking get why a shitload of people here assume that the majority of these protesters have an extensive portfolio, 401k, whatever. Who are you and how do you know detailed information about the financial history of each and every one of these people?

Oh well, bet it sure makes it easy to justify *your* stake in an unethical system. At least you're not being hypocritical while you piss on the underprivelaged amirite?