/sci/ - Science & Math

Perfect memory for everything here I come.

I am officially erect.

> inb4 I actually read the article

Wasn't there that digital eye? With shitty resolution.

>>3818326
Include a delete function or you'll hate yourself forever for having that being_drunk_puking_on_girlfriend_in_front_of_parents.avi clip popping up allt he time.

What will be fun is after creating functional brain augmentations we can create malfunctional ones to study the effects of various drugs and shit and our knowledge of the brain. Within 10-15 years of an "updateable" synthetic human brain, we could find solutions for most mental disorders.

>>3818334
Of course. I have as many problems forgetting than I have remembering.

>>3818333
There are chochlear implants too, and have been for a long time. But artificial retinas and cochlear implants are just sensory transducers. What they have done here is recreate a brain function, a very simple reflex one though, but it's a great proof of concept.

>>3818338

How will you learn then retard?

>mfw this thread

inb4 autobots vs decepticons world war 3

>>3818378

Hey, Inu, I got AIM. Go on IRC so I can tell you.

I for one welcome our new cybernetic, rodent overlords.

>>>3818336
>we can create malfunctional ones to study the effects of various drugs and shit and our knowledge of the brain

Wouldn't that be...unethical?
On the face of it, the simulation of a mind would be a mind in its own right.

I guess you could simulate independent 'modules.'

Idiot here: are there any articles on this that have pictures?

>>3818475

Well, yes, but if you simulate isolated structures of the brain you can't study the effects of the drug somewhere else. The only solution is a whole-brain emulation, and even a pharmacological emulation of such a thing is going to have a mind.

In my opinion.

There's no guarantee that a computer running a simulation of a mind will actually have a mind.

>>3818480
Would you prefer a coloring book?

>>3818512

I can't color on my monitor, silly.

>>3818333
yeah, but the resolution is just a product of how much money you sink into increasing electrode density. The only ones that have been made are a bit budget, if you really wanted to, you could sink 1.5mil into getting a damn good eye made. Still probably wouldnt be in color though.

>>3818525
>I can't color on my monitor, silly.
Sure you can, but it would probably be easier to clean afterwards if you used a tablet.

Just stick some leads into my brain and hook me up to a network jailbreak PS3's already. I'll figure it out from there.

in4 solar storm decimates the whole civilization in 2144

>>3818552
Faraday cage ever heard of it?

>>3818552
Sry, but wtf r u tlkng abt?

2011: Inflection point in science.

so pumped to be an anthro canine by the end if the century

>FTL Neutrinos
>Video reconstructed from brain impulses
>Neuroprosthetic implants

This fucking year man, this fucking year

>>3818658
>>3818658
And then
>2012
>Palin president
>Jesusland launch WW3
>Four hours after that, nuclear winter + dark age 2.0, with guns!
Please, reality, prove me wrong.

>>3818658
I know, right? They don't seem related and they aren't world changing; but they sure are, for lack of a better word, iconic discoveries.

>>3818671
Palin will never be president. Palin might just bring the Republican party down with her. The liberal media will try to get opinions about stuff from her and the inevitably stupid things she says and the attention she steals form actual Republican candidates will help win the election for the Democrats.

>>3818658
And yet humanity will only use it for retarded things like neuroprosthetic implants will make videos, pictures, text of what you think and send that information at FTL speed to anyone who will make an effort to receive it.
Thought police and human proxies everywhere.

> before the end of the century
WOW, such an aggressive time line.

>Matti Mintz of Tel Aviv University in Israel

>>3818756
damn

yeah
there's gonna be a holocaust before we ever get to use this shit

>>3818756

Implying this isn't a great thing.

I imagine with improvement in this field, one day (not that far away), we will have integrated computers in us. Imagine your personal computer in your body, able to access it with your thoughts.

I mean literally you would know everything that is uploaded to the network
(like google in your head), meaning there is no need in learning milions and milions of books, people wouldn't waste their time in learning statistics, and equations, but learn how to manipulate facts.

>>3818853
about time we had a real holocaust

>>3818857
I can't see how having a possibility of being controlled by someone else and having my thoughts exposed to anyone who is competent enough to find out is a good thing.
While these things certainly can be of great benefit to everyone. The current grim state of the world and politics suggest that we are somewhere in the calm before some giant shitstorm which will affect us all. It's gotten to the point where new tech and it's potential to be used as a weapon just outright scares me.

>>3818857
Well, as far as I could understand, there was no whole simulation of the cerebellum. Only one area of it and it was very gross electrical stimulation to link two other brain areas. It was a substitute of electrode stimulation. It's not exactly a brain area simulation, more like replacing the action potentials of a particular area with electrical stimulation from a chip. It's not like we have't done electrical stimulation before (since more than half a century, actually).

The hippocampus study is the same. The results are a lot more modest than the sci-fi built around its PR. Notice that the scientists say it took them a huge effort just to get to this small substitute of neuronal activity.

The engineered mice are not like cyborgs with superpowers, they're more like handicapped animals with some degree of restored cerebellum function.

Hurrrrrrr durrrr, we gonna have immortal bodies.......

>>3818920

did u even read my post?
I was simply talking about the size of personal computers decreasing to a size of 1mm^2 and integrating them in our bodies, and controlling them by sending electrical signals from our brain.

Im pretty sure we would still be mortal ..

>>3818882
how much new tech has actually been used as weapons versus how scary it seemed at the time?

the millitary exists largely as a boogey man in our time the actual problem of tech abuse isn't an issue for most people so the good statistically outweighs the bad

that and people tend to systematically underestimate the threats they are exposed to on a daily basis

what are the odds that you'll be nuked to death against losing your job and dying of exposure as a hobo?

>>3818945
I was replying to your idea that we could put information in the brain which wasn't there, in the first place. So I read ur post.

That's not what the studies imply. They haven't put any information in the brain that wasn't re-created using conditioning. Like the puff-on-eyes trained reflex.

>>3818920
yes dear anon , we can read
and yet "hurr durr" isn't the response I'm thinking of
thats not how we invent manned flight

ok actually it was,
carry on

>>3818431
there is a sci irc?

>>3818990
Manned flight was nothing to compare with brain science.

>>3819002
socially the trends resembled one another, albeit with a less grim things-man-was-not-meant-to-know amd more lol he think his a bird cuckoo!

cutting edge science is absurd in nature, what do you thinks its cutting off if not common sense?

Imagine all minds linked together, thinking on one scientific theory.

Theory of everything, here we come!

>>3819014
If that were possible. Mobs of humans would be highly coordinated, intelligent and efficient, yet riots prove otherwise. With each human in a mob the overall intelligence drops usually to the point where no one in a mod even knows what the fuck they are doing and why. Contrary to the ants where with each ant in a pack the overall intelligence increases and more sophisticated actions can be done.

>>3819012
Dude, I haven't said man-is-not-meant-to-know, I said they havent' put new information in the brain and didn't simulate a whole area. I just explained what the results mean.

Whether this is going to lead to new inventions that put new information in the brain or not, it's a matter of future research. I somehow doubt that you can change what makes you know without destroying it.

>>3819027

Anon2 here.

read this:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20590-rat-memory-restored-by-installing-replay-electronics.htm
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>>3819027
then enlighten us to that somehow
if you consider it to be a more determinig factor than the present research

or lets put it more simply at what point does the idea of "somehow impossible" become a "somehow possible"?

if inserting info is all thats necessary electrodes already do that, do you mean understanding what the signals represent? creating original signals? a fully formed theory of systems? an accurate model?

How do they connect the nervous system to the "chip"?

>>3819075
ugh, what is with my spelling today

>>3819086
Nerves literary grows into the chip. Both the chip and the brain communicate through electric impulses/ I could be wrong of course.

just let me explain.

It will happen.
Only question is when.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaLGS8_gE7g

>>3819112
See? You think this with your human brain.

>>3819097
Nerves don't really like to grow into anything artificial, they use an electrode and stick it into the brain, the mice most likely died after/during this experiment.

Electrodes left for a longer duration are eventually encapuslated in some tissue that weakens the signals, brains don't form normal scar tissue but instead glial scars which result in neuroinhibitor secretions or something along that way.

>>3819202
When the fleshy part dies off and all that's left is the machine, will you still be conscious or a philosophical zombie that merely simulates what you once were?

>>3819075
Well, let's put it this way. All information in the brain is the result of physical body experience. Therefore, the knowledge is also shaped by physical experience. Inserting new information in the brain would be equivalent to inserting memories of non-events, ie events that the person hasn't experienced directly but are supposed to be relevant knowledge.

Secondly, I think altering the brain areas responsible with the motivation to understand may result in some imbalances in the organism (like the person might be too stressed or have a high level of mood instability). This is just one possibility, but I think there are others too that can't be entirely predicted right now.

>>3819063
I read it. I wrote a reply above about it. They blocked chemicall the retrieval of a memory in the hippocampus and then used electrical stimulation to make the link between the memory and the brain areas which were trying to retrieve it. So there was no new information that was "planted" in the brain.

>>3819218
a2

if you mean the same sort of link you make with the person on the answering machines records.

This is pretty interest when considering the POTENTIAL, though, this perhaps seems more likely : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akaos1U8Rto

>>3819210
If the implant system have two-way communication and adapts to and impersonates the human brain I'd not find it all too farfetched that the biological death would be something like brain damage more than actually dying.

Or if you simply can scan, or just replace parts with functional(or super-functional) neuroimplants. A cerebellum could be pre-trained for general human motorics, you'd be incapable of touchtyping and walk like a gimp for a week perhaps, but after that the machine part would do a perfect job, visual cortex, auditory cortex, langauge control, understanding and so on could face the same treatment. With memory you'd need some functionality to remap the neural data to implants before chopping it off unless you'd fancy a clean slate new life.

Now the chop-replace methodology is(if it existed) in my opinoin very crude. What I'd go for is signal hijacking, you don't destroy any brain tissue, you simply monitor the signals and activity in the areas, and based upon this you do a computer model of the area, what you then do is feed the computer-model generated signal as 'fake' output to the outputs of the biological one. If it subjectively matches, then you can slightly tweak it to get superior performance via your signal hack interface.
Now the fantastic possibility with this would be to exploit brain plasticity to create entirely new functionality. If you listen to the visual signal, reconstruct it in a computer, do optic character recognition and pre-calculate any simple artihmetics and feed that as a signal to the number area(or manipulate the visual field to actually show the result directly) you'd suddenly find yourself with a auto-calculator intuitive reflex, and this could be enormously expanded to include everything from foreign languages to direct-digital input('rendering' FPS-like HUD data onto your visual input, extra eyes, "digital limbs" and so on)

>Tel Aviv University

This is why Israel needs to exist. For science.

>>3819242

>implying the open manufacturing revolution won't change every concept of supply and demand and set the assembly lines on fire

Augmentation won't happen. Only nerds and social pariahs think that lopping off their limbs and sticking corporate hardware into their heads is a good idea.

People don't even trust vaccines, and you're telling me that they'll stick what they see as government mind control right into their own brains?

Get real.

>>3819898

This. The only people who think this is possible are the people whose only experience with other humans is what carl sagan said about them being brilliant and always looking towards the better future.

It's just so strikingly ignorant of the world.

>>3819898
>>3819934

>corporations or governments making augmentations

>>3819944

?

>>3819218
what makes input "direct"? Can this quality never be copied and if so why?
also saying: there may be unpredicted problems,
is not how I would describe an impossible task :)

>>3819210
am I the only one who truly doesn't care?
I identify with the agent in my predicament anyway, the whole incentive to keep discussing philosophical zombies falls apart for me once I admit that my 4 year old self is no longer consciouse

Transhumanists are worse than Jehovah's Witnesses.