/sci/ - Science & Math

>>3816255
Nah, their photoshop license expired and they didn't wanna risk trying to learn gimp, so they gave up.

>>3816278
True story.

>>3816255
Dunna if it's the only one, but it's the only one I've got.

>>3816278
>>3816278

Don't you mean:

Nah, their Adobe® Photoshop® license expired and they didn't wanna risk trying to learn gimp, so they gave up.

http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Cassini-Huygens/
take off your tinfoil

>>3816315

I can see a lot of pictures of conferences and announcements, heaps of photos from Cassini, and precisely three photos from the lander, one of which is a black and white version of OPs pic.

They realised that Titan is boring and shitty, just like Mars, so they just lost interest and stopped taking pictures.

Seriously there weren't any of the cool ethane lakes or hydrocarbon snow or all that crazy shit we were led to expect, at least at the landing site. Just flat, rocky ground.

>>3816357
>Seriously there weren't any of the cool ethane lakes or hydrocarbon snow or all that crazy shit we were led to expect
...You fucking moron, they took pictures of the goddamned lakes.

>>3816434
Which version of simcity was that from?

>>3816442
The Cassini-Huygens update, shithead.

>>3816442
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakes_of_Titan

>>3816453
lol umad bro

sorry we all don't have your lame Sim City mod

>>3816459
It's called "reality" bro, you should try it sometime.

>>3816459
It looks like a good one. Setup a bunch of hydro damns after you do some digging.

Shits so cash.

None of this answers the question of where are the rest of the pictures taken by the lander.

http://esamultimedia.esa.int/docs/titanraw/index.htm

>>3816663

Ok I think I get it. The camera was fixed. It couldn't be rotated. Once it lands, it can never shift, so you'll only ever get the same perspective.

You will never live in Tartarus base on Titan.

>>3816752
yes, looks like three static cameras: down, some angle, and side view.

Nah.
NASA found ANCIENT ALEINS and they keep them secret as to prevent global collapse of society.

>>3816357
>They realised that Titan is boring and shitty, just like Mars

Landing video:
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEM5YW71Y3E_index_1.html#subhead1

>>3816812

Well Mars is shitty. That same flat, rocky desert landscape exists on Earth, and I doubt you'd be going nuts for it. Just because it's in space, doesn't mean it's not shit.

>>3816830
Mars is a blank slate for us to mold to our desires. The beauty I see in it is all that ever could be. But apparently you require a Disneyland.

>>3816840

>Mars is a blank slate for us to mold to our desires

No, it's a desert without any appreciable atmosphere or water. We don't have anywhere near the machinery needed to mold that into anything. If you want to build a paradise, start on earth where there's a fucking hydrosphere.

>>3816840
Lets do it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming_of_Mars

>That same flat, rocky desert landscape exists on Earth, and I doubt you'd be going nuts for it.
A)
It's not the same. It's on an entirely different planet, formed by entirely different geological processes and a very disparate history.
There are a lot of exciting things to be learned about those rocks and dirt that are completely unique and not at all similar to anything on our earth.

B)
You clearly don't know me very well. I do indeed go nuts about flat rocky desert terrain on earth.

Why would it need to take more? Shit's not going to change.

>>3816855

> I do indeed go nuts about flat rocky desert terrain on earth.

Lol! Well I don't suppose I can argue with that. Have fun bro :)

>>3816866

I was kind of hoping for a few different angles, to get a 360 degree perspective of wherever the hell we ended up.

>>3816848
>No, it's a desert without any appreciable atmosphere or water.

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/04/mars-south-pole-holds-nearly-an-atmospheres-worth-of-co2
.ars
Much is also thought to be frozen in the regolith at higher latitudes. In combination with higher temperatures and the presence of water, much more could outgas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars#Evidence_of_frozen_water
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars#Hydrology
The two polar ice caps appear to be made largely of water.[47][48] The volume of water ice in the south polar ice cap, if melted, would be sufficient to cover the entire planetary surface to a depth of 11 meters.[49] A permafrost mantle stretches from the pole to latitudes of about 60°.[47]

Zubrin has stated that entire continent-sized regions of Mars are 60% water ice by mass. There is more than enough to support a vibrant technological civilization there.

>We don't have anywhere near the machinery needed to mold that into anything.

>2011
>thinking that this is the pinnacle of our technology and engineering abilities
ISHYGDDT

>If you want to build a paradise, start on earth where there's a fucking hydrosphere.
Mars is a 2 minute noodle version of a garden world. Just add heat and water, and stir until oceans.

>>3816880
From your source:

Sorting out exactly what would happen will apparently require a more complete climate model for the red planet. "Given the complex interplay between the dust, water, and CO2 cycles, additional changes in the climate system are very likely," the authors conclude. Still, even with the possible melting of the polar ice caps and enhanced greenhouse effect, the total of the changes don't seem to be sufficient to get us to anything like Mars' watery past, which suggests that some of the planet's carbon dioxide and water may now be trapped in geological features.

>>3816880

We should try and terraform the Australian Outback, that would be a good experiment

Lakes of ethane and methane. Yay?

>>3816907

Ausfag here. Fuck off, we like the outback like it is.

>>3816907
I was wondering whether ~500 1gW LFTRs could pump in seawater into the eastern part of the outback to create a small inland sea, creating more arable land from extra precipitation as well as lowering the sea level slightly to buy a little more time from those catastrophic sea level rises. But it would likely screw up the Artesian Basin and I don't know if loads of rivers would spring up soon after.

>>3816915

You're insane if you like the outback as it is

>>3816880

Dude, since we now know that neutrinos can probably travel faster than light at extremely high energies, the door is open to real super-luminal travel. By the time your Mars terraforming is even starting to shift the ice, we'll have settled on a nearby planet that's already habitable.

Well in 20 years when W.A is a giant strip mine we could just let the water flow in

>>3816921

No, it's great. Not everything needs to be turned into amber waves of grain in order to be nice.

>>3816909
'MAY' be trapped in geological features.

And if that's the case then we should begin shuttles dumping CO2 from Venus on Mars and water ice from Ceres.

>Dude, since we now know that neutrinos can probably travel faster than light at extremely high energies, the door is open to real super-luminal travel.
No it's not shut the fuck up you ignorant piece of sensationalistic shit.

>>3816936

To be fair, there have been a few extensions to the standard model that postulate Lorenz breakdown among neutrinos at very high energies - exactly what's been POSSIBLY observed. It's not crackpot stuff by any means.

Other theories fit in with supersymmetry, and allow for neutrinos to slip in and out of other dimensions, allowing them to take a shortcut outside out universe, like in Minecraft of Warhammer 40k.

>>3816930
How practical.

>>3816930

Couldn't we just send a fleet of ships to one of the nearby extra-solar earth-like planets? I mean, at the rate we're discovering new planets, the damn things are all over the place. Even at our present ultra-low speeds, it will still be quicker and cheaper than terraforming mars.

>>3816970
>Couldn't we just send a fleet of ships to one of the nearby extra-solar earth-like planets? I mean, at the rate we're discovering new planets, the damn things are all over the place.
Unless we're astronomically (lol) lucky, those planets will also require terraforming to have lower levels of CO2, methane, chlorine or whatever the fuck.

>Even at our present ultra-low speeds, it will still be quicker and cheaper than terraforming mars.
Incorrect. It would take thousands of years with a ship so gargantuan to support a 10,000-strong human colony, that the technology required to make such a construction possible is the exact same needed to terraform Mars via orbital mirrors placed in Lagrangian points. The cost part is irrelevant, as the technology needed for both involves replication from asteroid materials and as such doesn't incur a huge monetary upkeep.

>>3816988

I dunno, it seems to me that you're greatly overestimating the problems of a new planet. I mean, even having an oxygen rich atmosphere and free water is a massive step up from Mars, no matter what finer details are not exactly right.

>>3816988
>10,000-strong human colony
10,000 embryos and some androids.

>People talking about terraforming Mars
>ctrl f "magnetosphere"
>0 hits
Yeah, why not figure out how to deal with the DEADLY COSMIC RADIATION?

>>3817053
live in caves underground.

>>3817053

No shit, their precious new atmosphere is going to get inexorably blasted away over a hundred thousand years.

>>3817053
I think that you should go learn a little about the subject and then come back and realize why that's a sort of stupid question.

>>3817053
This is overhyped as a problem for colonists. Even a 500 millibar atmosphere would be sufficient, as because of Mars' 0.376Gs the atmosphere would have over two times the scale height of Earth's providing lots of insulation. Aerosols that further absorb such radiation could be dispersed in the higher atmosphere. And it's not out of the question that 100 years from now we'll know how to create an artificial magnetic field that could be scaled up to protect Mars even further.

>>3817006
Mars HAS free water. The reason Mars doesn't have oceans today in its northern latitudes as well as Hellas Basin is specifically because of the too-thin atmosphere not able to hold enough heat as well as a very narrow temperature band before ice flashes into cold steam. If Mars' albedo was brought down a little lower by carbon dust or dark algae on the lighter regions such as the polar caps, or even orbital mirrors reflecting additional heat, there would be enough outgassing to AT LEAST allow small seas to form in equatorial regions.
We know how to convert carbon dioxide which Mars is abundant in to oxygen, it covers much of the planet and has the additional benefit of self-replicating endlessly in a variety of forms. The bigger problem is nitrogen, which Mars is relatively deficient in. Nitrogen shuttles from Titan will likely be required for this.

>>3817067
http://bigthink.com/ideas/24011
>Question One: If you terraform Mars, making it into a Garden of Eden, won't this be temporary, since Mars isn't big enough to permanently hold onto an atmosphere.

>Answer: You are absolutely correct. Mars is a small planet, and hence it's gravitational field is not strong enough to permanently hold onto a dense atmosphere, but it is sufficient to hold onto an atmosphere for thousands to millions of years, which is enough for us. Once we terraform Mars, there will be enough of an atmosphere to take of all our needs for generations to come.

And this is assuming there are NO projects whatsoever to replenish the atmosphere, to shield it from solar wind erosion, etc etc

Well I'm sure well start terraforming Mars just as soon as we find huge oil reserves

>>3817102

>thousands

Oh fuck that. We just spend thousands of years making the stupid planet.

>>3817117
Mars has not been exploited for any of its minerals, and its crust cooled earlier than Earth. This suggests the presence of precious metals and rare Earth elements in the crust are far more abundant.

>>3817123
I say we can do it in under 200 years.

>>3817128

And a rag tag team of Australians will lead the way!

>>3817135
It's largely a desert, and it will be a colony. Sounds like Mars belongs to the Australians.

>>3817143