/sci/ - Science & Math

Fuck off with your Sheldon

>>3812201
>being bald
>2364

>>3812215
bald is masterrace, easy to clean easy to take care of aerodynamic and healthy

>>3812222
>aerodynamic

>>3812222
If bald is master race then why come Janeway is better than Picard?

>>3812215
>being bald in 2364
>nobody gives a shit either way
Probably this.

>>3812247
But the Borg Queen is bald, and she's better than Janeway.

>>3812191
Satanic? The show is meant to be ironic and promote understanding. That's why in Star Trek there's rarely any "bad guys" who don't turn out to be all right in the end.

It's well known that Star Trek V is just a piece of shit that only exists because of Shatner's ego, though.

Also about the baldness thing being discussed in this thread. It will be possible in a few years to cure this using stem cells to regrow the hair follicles in mens scalps that get lost due to old age or whatever.

If someone is bald in the 23rd century or whenever, it's because they choose to be. Although in this case it's because the actor who plays Picard is bald.

>>3812280
Picard laments his lost hair often

>>3812288
There are a lot of technologies in Star Trek that are inferior to what exists today. And certainly most of what they have is inferior to what we'll have by the time the show takes place.

I'm beginning to suspect Star Trek is fake.

I like Star Trek.

Am I the only one who knows that Gene Roddenbury was asked exactly this about picard's baldness. That certainly they would have cured it in the 24th century, to which Gene Roddenbury replied that "in the future, people dont care"

ITS DEM DAMN JEW, FOR ELOI'S SAKE!

>>3812329
There's this one episode where one of Picard's hoes takes out a fold out piano, and Picard is all impressed. We have that today baldy.

>>3812340
Then in multiple episodes, Picard clearly cares.

One episode he gets reverted to his youth and when he gets re-olded, he strokes his bald scalp, longing for his hair.

>>3812329


>certainly most of what they have is inferior to what we'll have by the time the show takes place.

oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck

>>3812376
>the computers in TOS
>computer graphics in TNG and the rest

Maybe most was an exaggeration. But watch the show with special attention payed to technological inferiorities and I'll guarantee that you'll find lots.

>>3812288
It is the best star trek, but the writing in some episodes are weak, a few downright fucking awful.
They should never let any of the writers scripts through without a full examination by the technical division or someone to go over the general logic of the show.
Sometimes for a science faring vessel it's downright disgusting how little they know how to apply it and do reasonable tests. They don't discuss shit and use live people for tests or just outright do nonsensical things.
Seriously, what the fuck was the point of having a remote droid 'replicate' bio functions and sensory directly into someone when a simple touch feed back, monitor and hud could accomplish the same thing without the delay or any physical damage to the user. There isn't a reason to do it, ever, and if they really wanted to replicate shit, they could have run it through a normalizing circuit that clipped sensor input and routed it to the god damn holodeck.

The show has a whole lot of little problems and it's clear they had some 'drama' people on the team who didn't know squat about being a rational individual.

I love Star Trek and I can overlook it's inaccuracies and completely unrealistic science. But there's one thing that pisses me off. And that's how every main character can knock out anyone else in one punch.

I understand this is a common trope that goes beyond Star Trek, but Trek is easily one of the biggest offenders. I don't think it was quite so bad on TOS, but TNG and DS9 were terrible for it.

I mean, there's an episode where Nog knocks out a security guard. With a salad. There's no way a troll that small and puny could have hit this guy, let alone won the fight.

And the Klingon's getting massacred by Dax and the Jem Hadar getting knocked out so easily. How am I supposed to take them seriously as a threat when Kira can flip them over her head effortlessly? They spend ages building them up as the ultimate warriors, then they get beaten up by a chick?

Don't get me wrong, no misogyny here. Women can beat up dudes. Women with MUSCLES. But Kira has flabby arms. Dax isn't that ripped either. The Klingons and Jem Hadar should have torn through them.

The only species that actually has their alluded strength/speed backed up by their on screen actions are the Vulcans.

Rant over. I need a life.

>>3812390
It's an artsy show. The 'science' is just there as a vessel for the other issues they like to tackle. It would have been nicer if they actually had some proper scientists to go over the script, but at the end of the day it isn't the heart of the show. The characters and the ethical problems are.

It annoys me too (all soft sci-fi does) but it's not a big complaint tbh.

I really appreciate that Anthony j comedian and his lovely muse for roasting the hell out of Shatner , because I was like forced to like stand in line for hours on end when i was like two so my parents could meet somebody famous , he asked me something and patted me on the head and said what a cute little kid, I probably said something smartass because i hated that show and back then he appeared very pompous. I didn't like that he patted me on the head either, I was like yeah, dont touch my head thanx dude. : ) but this is sci , not scifag ,so gtfo!

>>3812390
>weak writing

Holy fuck. I just saw my first ever TNG movie a few weeks ago. It was IX. Holy fuck. What were they smoking? What was that shit? I mean... holy... fuck...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lHgbbM9pu4

>>3812329
>And certainly most of what they have is inferior to what we'll have by the time the show takes place.
They have a lot of general tech that's improbable for us to have by their time. For as fast as we discover things, we progress fairly fucking slowly. Things like the gravimetric field displacement manifold/warp core, antimatter production of scale is unlikely, teleportation/replicator, holodeck.
But computer systems, displays in general, tactical strategies, weaponry, and many little things would be very possible to have far more advanced.
Also, if ever do manage to make a god damn teleporter to their spec, you can be sure as fuck our replicated food will taste fucking perfect.

Hello Star Trek fags.

I took five minutes to check out some clips on YouTube to see what the fuss is all about. Looked a bit cheesey but bearable at first, then I came across this:

Specifically, 2 minutes and 30 seconds onwards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQA-06kSLU

You have five minutes to explain yourselves before I call the authorities and report everyone in this thread. This is not a joke.

>>3812413
>like

>>3812419
We already have weaponry better than Star Trek.

They're called canon balls and they're tear threw the hull of a ship much easier than some pussy lasers.

>>3812412
The movies are an entirely different ball game.
Find the episode 'interface.'
Or worse yet 'Suspicions.' Oh man I couldn't even finish suspicions it was that awful.
The whole darmock episode was iffy. As if linguistics was relegated to being absolutely disregarded in that century. There's no way they figured it out that way but data or actual people who study linguistics couldn't.
Also, the numbers for how fast data calculates if I recall was fairly fucking low. And he should be able to calculate a lot of things far easier than he does, it requires a bit of suspension of disbelief to ignore the fact that he's practically a marvel superhero, given his superior ability to learn things, grasp concepts, replicate movement, impervious to typical biological problems etc...
There's a lot of glaring faults in star trek, but in general they put on a decent show, they just don't explore ideas well enough though.

>>3812437
>but in general they put on a decent show

They're one more TV series away from having more bad shit than good shit.

TOS, TNG and DS9 were good. Voyager was crap and ENT mediocre. The next series could put it into Simpsons territory.

>>3812443
>>3812437
I always thought it would be interesting if they followed up Piker's captaincy and do the show it was originally intended to be.

Preferably I think the series should die after this final trilogy and let it rest, but if they did do it, something like that would be interesting.

Either that, or jump 200 or so years into the future and have them start exploring a nearby Galaxy.

>>3812421
It... was a different time.

>>3812424
Deflector shield, not a problem.
Let me transport that for you. Let me tractor beam that for you.
They have the technology to produce auto targeting systems for weapons and if data was there too, it'd be a fucking shitstorm.
You drop him down, with remote neural interconnects to about 1000 phasers with levitation/wheels, throw down a shield device with them and he could send those bastards flying around blasting everyone precisely. They don't do that because, 1.) they don't think in terms of what they actually posess, it's old scifi they stick to cliches with a pinch of actual worthwhile scifi thrown in. 2.) It's abusive. For the show to have good writing they would have to drastically alter the character dynamics and world settings and it could cost a bit in effects\resources. It would also destroy any chance to have the stories turn out as a 'drama' like they want in many cases. They often possess the means to come to a simple solution to something but they have to act out of character to produce a show of length using that topic.

>>3812443
I meant TNG in general.
Yeah, the others are kind of... yeahhh...
I remember watching voyager when I was younger, but watching it again recently, holy fuck is some of it god awful. There's definitely some good source material to work with and some interesting characters, like the doctor. But the writing is mostly trash.
It's been a while since I've seen DS9, I remember the characters being slightly better and the still managed to have some interesting source, but I don't recall if the writing was terrible or not.

LoL call the what ? lol which authorities , whos authority , they don't care most likely. I thought this was a nerdy thread. : ) or something. you must be new. what are you gonna say hey mr authorities get this shit some omg somebody said something wrong on the internets. hehehe

>>3812421
TOS was always trash.
It was entirely made of everything wrong with TNG.
Old scifi is typically bad scifi.
You know george mcfly from back to the future how he was a scrawny dork with little redeemable value. He used to read old scifi and that's the kind of people who pioneered early scifi. Not visionaries and futurists, but simply pathetic individuals who wanted a soap opera in a fictional world where they could somehow manage to get the girl.

>>3812480
It was light hearted entertainment and I loved it.

I bet you hate Asimov too?

>>3812448
Star Trek Online ruined any chance of that happening.

How god damned expensive can hiring someone to go over the scripts be?

Picture the TNG crew in your head. Quickly.

>Lt. Yar was absent.

>>3812480
What about Isaac Asimov?

>>3812493
I'm not so well versed in Asimov. But only because what little I have experience of his wasn't so hot... you know the whole three laws and such. But yeah, a lot of genres which people appreciate are fairly tripe. But like you said, it's light hearted entertainment, and for people looking for a soap opera for men, instead of works depicting purposeful contemplation an reflections of reality, you know true art.
That's not to say that good writing couldn't combine humor or a bit of drama and emotional tugging as well. Just that it shouldn't feel the need to steep itself in it. In fact, it's potentially necessary to at least have some of those elements in there given that it's human nature. Unless you're not writing anything with humans.
But writing stories with humans, is more than just human nature, it's understanding general nature. The world, cause-effect. We're a part of a process, we aren't the entire process and that's what writers forget.
That's kind of what the idea of science is all about as well.
We study the world because we're locked in with it. The world is as much our story as our daily plights.

>>3812539
>>3812493

Mah Nigga's!

Pictured. The only good thing about TNG.

>>3812547
I really like the Q stuff, but it's also faulty and they really don't push it to the limits. Just like data.

>>3812551
>Faulty
No fucking way! Get out of town!

>don't push the limits

How so?

>>3812553
His episodes are either tiresome or faulty. You decide, because he's supposed to be an omniscience, omnipotent being. Yet he lacks basic logic and understand and doesn't know shit. He's often quite surprised by humans despite existing everywhere in time and quite capable of knowing every little detail about them.
So either he's being tiresome and contributing nothing by playing games in which he gains nothing but slight personal satisfaction for having played a game even he knows how it will turn out, or his character actually is genuinely interested in humanity and surprised which runs counter to the entire ideal of show in which mankind can better himself through knowledge and understanding, because apparently ALL the knowledge in the world with infinite time and understand still can't answer basic fucking sociological and biological questions.

They could really use him to explore various ideas of space, time and humanities place. But they barely put him through paces. They use him as a placeholder for whenever they want to write pseudo-psych or act out plays to jerk off too.
He doesn't really draw out characters as much as he could and honestly they waste his abilities as it is.

He, like many of the TNG crew are great characters in the hands of mediocre writers.

>>3812547
>>3812551
I liked Q(more in the later episodes than in the first where he felt sorta Deus Ex Machina drive the plot-ish), but the best part of TNG were the New Wave style ethical/scientific dilemma episodes.
>dat Darmok
>dat First Contact
>dat Measure of a Man
>dat Redemption

I will admit, the campy time travel adventures were very fun to watch. And the TWEEST episodes like The Inner Light got me every time.
Oh, and fuck Wesley.

>>3812595
Off hand, I'll also say probably one of the slightly better Q episodes was when picard died to a phaser blast because of his false heart. The draw here is, despite giving Q a more Q like persona, they had to put picard completely out of character to pull it off.

>>3812595
>Omnipotent

Except he isn't. He's very powerful with a huge ego and claims to be, but another Q points out that they aren't omnipotent and in one episode Picard even catches on and realises he doesn't know shit/has to answer to his 'superiors.' He also doesn't exist everywhere in time. That's the wormhole aliens (and that is flawed). Q is just capable of traversing time. Why he doesn't go back to give his past self hints I don't know.

I agree with the more important aspects of what you are saying though. I don't think I could write a TV series. But I could definitely sketch out better ideas than the writers did.

>>3812595
>Mary Sue factory of add-ons
>Wesley
>great character

I will agree that the main cast are great characters. This thread also begs the question, Crusher or Troi?

>>3812600
Don't get me wrong, I see the problems with it, but I do like it. Q episodes are among my more favorite, not because of the episodes themselves but simply for bringing forth the ideas of potential for what they could be doing.
I'd appreciate the show a whole lot more if they actually lived up to it.
Oh well, Roddenberry and writers... fucks bitches, get money.

>>3812614
The good characters are fantastic.

The bad characters are awful.

Most of the aliens are fantastic. Worf, Spock (the entire TOS cast had a unique bit of charm but were unfortuntely under developed), Quark, Dukat, Odo, Garak, Weyoun etc.

The main human characters had ups and downs. Picard, Riker, Sisko, Data, Holo Doctor and so forth. All great.

Then there's the extras like Q, Brunt, Grand Nagus ZekWinn (I thought she was a real good 'love to hate' type character), dat Barclay.

But then you have some incredibly painful characters. Lwaxanna, Wesley, Yar, Julian "I'm a doctor and you're my patient" Bashir. Some episodes were a chore to watch because of Lwaxanna.

The diversity in great and bad characters is stronger on Star Trek than most shows I've seen.

As for your question: Troi. Definitely. Both of them were terrible characters but Troi was better eye candy.

One of my favourite episodes is Q turning human.

Now if only they had shot him before he got his powers back.

>>3812614
>This thread also begs the question, Crusher or Troi?

Ezri. (or Leeta)

>>3812614
Eh, both are somewhat weak as far as characters. They both have their high points and low points.
Usually Crusher gets stupid when she shouldn't. Her character is written awfully for someone whose in a fairly academic profession... lol, biology. She takes unnecessary risks for days and acts up. She's better when she's a support character.
On the flip side is troi whose almost always a complete overemotional wreck of a twit. For an advisor, she needs to hit the hololibrary and learn how to be more of a diplomat. She's typically a worse support character but plays a fairly pivotal role in the 'captain he's lying' information role, but can sometimes come up strong as a main in some episodes.

I'd rather switch crusher with the doctor from voyager and have data and him go at it for days.
Also gaia can fuck off.

>>3812626
Wouldn't matter. The Q can just give him his powers back, lesson learned.
For all we know they would have left him dead for so long as a punishment, to know how it feels to not exist or something retarded.

>Also according to Nichols, NBC was afraid of the kiss because some stations in the South could decide not to air the episode because of it. Finally, an agreement was made: to film two versions of the scene - one where Kirk and Uhura kissed, and one where they did not. They filmed the first version (with the kiss) successfully, then she and Shatner deliberately flubbed every take of the latter, making it unusable, and leaving the kiss intact. Nichols write

I don't care what anyone says about Shatner. He's awesome.

How much of his persona is ego and how much of it an elaborate caricature has always interested me. Tommy Wiseu seems to be going for the same thing these days.

>>3812646
>Klingon smashes a chair over someone's head, starts screaming and running around the room
>Troi: Captain, I'm sensing some anger

Troi would be best in bed because her telepathic abilities would allow her to sense what you liked and didn't. You wouldn't have to tell her what you want for her to know. In fact she'd know ways to please you that you hadn't even thought of.

>>3812648
Writing your characters to conform to 20th century racist bigots.
Sweet.

Do racist bigots even like scifi? Or do they actually like it, except they're just disappointed that it's not like the jetsons where robots do everything for the lazy everyday man and everyones white?

star trek is gay. Stargate is better. You want to know why?

Because Star Trek is for pussies and virgins. If shit hits the fan in Stargate, captain o'neill blows some bitches up. he uses a MANS gun. none some pussy phaser on stun shit.

FUCK YOUR GAY ASS SHIT AND I HOPE IT GETS CANCELLED AND CAPTAIN KIRK GETS RAPED BY SPOCK.

>>3812648
Holy fuck I didn't realise shit like this went on in the 60s.

>>3812661
>Writing your characters to conform to 20th century racist bigots.

They didn't. The producers wanted them to.

>>3812656
>Troi would be best in bed because her telepathic abilities would allow her to sense what you liked and didn't.
Then she'd get ultra pissy about it because she's a needy oversensitive whore pretending to be strong.

>>3812665
>That feel when they try to go all "Girl Power"
>Somehow Troi gets promoted to Commander while Data and Geordi, who save the day a bazillion times, are still Lt. Commander's.

You know what makes me sad. That they killed datas relationship with D'sora. Bullshit.
Also without being more with Yar. They should have extended those and played with the ideas of sentience and it's role in life/sexuality instead of "nope, robot lol."
They often try to spend time pushing him to be more human but then fall back on the, just a robot when useful.

>>3812682
Ultimately, he is just a robot. There is only so much room for growth.

>>3812669
Well, Data was a captain once.
I really would like to see a spinoff further into the future where Data is a captain.

>>3812685
Data is dead, bro.

>>3812215
>>3812222

Er, no. Being bald shows your body can't handle testosterone and you are a weak, genetically inferior person.

>>3812684
>Ultimately, he is just a robot. There is only so much room for growth.
I don't think you've thought that through.
Ultimately, he has no emotions... oh wait, an emotion chip.
Ultimately, he can't grow much, constructs a working android like himself based off his knowledge of cybernetics and experience with soong.
You are right, he is just a robot. Which means his room to grow is exponentially easier to accomplish than any human.
Nor does cutting out a relationship because he's 'just a robot' give any credence to emotion or relationships. It just flies in the face of humanity. Dogs don't really understand love, but people love the fuck of their dogs.
You just don't seem to be giving much thought to what your watching.
Often data chooses paths which are 'human' by standards. You can't have a character trying to become human and then just take a steaming pile of shit on his face every time it helps you close the door on another episode because you've started an idea and didn't feel like finishing it. Well, okay you can, but then you'd end up with a highly regarded television series in the star trek franchise.

>science-fiction series
>not only that, but the greatest sf-series known to man, not that bullcrap Doctor Who or Firefly
>GUISE GEUSS WAHT I FOUNDZ OUT IT NOT REALISSTIC

>mfw I have no face

>>3812692
Fuck your shit, I'm going to like all three.

>>3812687
Fuck the movies... Pop, here's Q... Hey picard, brought an old friend back, you owe me one now dance.
Poof, he's not dead.
Seriously, they use him like that anyway, might as well do something worthwhile with him.
Hell, have him get reconstructed from logs and data banks he was keeping, whatever. Bring him back.

yellow and black cameroOH ,'''' call him and ask him where, and you go buy it for me. : 0 : ) its like bumblebee an I Iike it. Gnight.

>>3812736
What the cocks?

>>3812687
>While the severely damaged Enterprise is repaired in a space dock in near-Earth orbit, Jean-Luc bids farewell to newly promoted Captain Riker who is off to command the USS Titan, to begin a true peace negotiation mission with Romulus. Picard then meets with android B-4, whereupon he learns that Data had succeeded in copying the engrams of his neural net into B-4's positronic matrix not long before his death. This then implies that B-4 may one day have the same capacity for growth that Data enjoyed and so keep Dr. Soong's legacy alive.