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depends on the programming, so be more specific. religious indoctrination is a different beast than believing that biology is a science.

>>3767963
Both are of equal tragedy though...

>>3767951
How do you know the rational mind isn't being programmed by a worldview with it's own biases?

In other words, how do you know this new worldview will bear better fruit than the old?

>>3767963

Well, I was hoping not to go there because I don't want this thread to become another flame war troll fest. But if it's important, I am speaking of religious indoctrination.

Rationally, I am pretty sure that God doesn't exist, and I am certain that Christianity is bullshit. However, I feel guilty about thinking about it, and I am in the habit of saying my prayers before bed every night, asking God to bless meals, etc. I feel compelled to do things like this, and to constantly ask forgiveness of every little 'immoral' thought (Seeing a woman with a great ass and letting my mind wander to sexual things, etc) It's fucking annoying, and I want this crap out of my head for good.

>>3767974
>>3767963
Ha.

>>3767990

Please note, I am not going to entertain questions like this or respond to pro-religion trolls, or even the sincerely pro-religion crowd. /sci/ is not the place for it. I am here for some proven methods of deprogramming.

>>3767951
YES ANON!

Its called critical thinking.
http://www.criticalthinking.org.uk/unit1/

I urge you to use it, and later develop it into other subject areas.

>>3767991
I'm assuming this world view was supported by negative reinforcement? If so do the opposite and attach some type of positive reinforcement. Like when you stare at a girls ass and think to yourself dirty little thoughts, buy yourself a candybar as a little congratulatory pat on the back.

>>3767996
Uh

This has nothing to do with religion.

This has to do with why you believe that whatever belief you currently hold is worse than a belief you wish to hold?

You claim you can observe this rationally, but we're not talking about you being taught 2+2 = 5, we're talking about abstractions of the world around you.

It's a very simple dilemma, that if you can't rationally perceive, than you are likely to just submit to any other kind of indoctrination than that which you currently observe.

In other words, stupidity is a state, regardless of ideology.

>>3767951
>The first AS Critical Thinking unit concerns the credibility of evidence.

>The vast majority of our information comes to us second-hand. How can we decide which sources of information to trust? When several sources tell us difference things, how can we decide which to believe?

>The core material for this module concerns criteria of credibility, how we evaluate the credibility of sources of information. The exam tests your ability to apply these criteria to contexts, documents, and individual witnesses.

In all seriousness, this subject takes roughly 3-4 years to learn properly and combine with everything in life.

>>3767991
Have you ever deviated from your rituals too much? If you don't believe in a god, these should seem silly. If you do, denying yourself these rituals for a while can be forgiven through god. What you require is the willpower to develop your ego and stop being a beta.

really? haha
if its a habit you've had for a long time, its going to take awhile to go away, not over night.
I do however, think this thread is stupid as shit.

>>3768016
>implying biology is has anything to do with science
retard detected

>>3768032
You misquoting boy?

>>3768016

It's not about wanting to believe something new. I don't want my ability to consider new information colored by something I was taught to believe. Instead, I want to be able to parse new information on its own merits and decide what is true for myself.

Fuck believing in anything because someone else told you to.

>>3768008

Yes, it was supported by negative reinforcement, to the point that I can remember being literally paralyzed by fear of the world ending when Jesus returned. I was afraid it would happen any moment, and that I would have some little sin on my soul which would cause me to be left here. This is what I was taught. I would literally spend around 10 minutes every hour asking for forgiveness of sins, even if I didn't think I had committed any, just to be sure. This is borderline child abuse, to promote that kind of thing.

Have you read your SICP today?

No seriously, watch it. If you grasp it, it's a philosophy.

>>3768083
>a philosophy
>conjure the spirits of the computer with our spells
Sounds like a religion to me.