/sci/ - Science & Math

i feel terrific.

Also because in happened only a decade ago in a socially prominent country, not fifty years ago in an event that is no longer relevant.

>>3721222
>On the 11th of September, 1944, the RAF air bombed the German city of Darmstadt leading to an estimated 11,500 deaths
Jesus.

And yet our retarded, jingoistic, hateful, propaganda-driven Islamophobia steals the limelight...

Fun fact, 38 years ago today the CIA aided and encouraged a military coup in Chile. The coup eventually installed general Augusto Pinochet, who went on to kill about 3,200 people and torture countless others during his regime.

Why did we want the original democratically elected president of Chile gone? Because he was going to nationalize a bunch of industries.

NVR4GET 9/11/1973

>>3721234
Arab or Ron Paul fag detected

>>3721229
oh god, OP got fucking butt destroyed

>>3721229
*67 years

>>3721222
Also because Darmstadt was militarily important to a country that the UK WAS AT WAR WITH.

>>3721222

Phobia is irrational fear. The fear of Islam has a rational basis.

>>3721234

More buzzwords I have not seen in the same sentence before.

>>3721259
this

Islam is currently the greatest threat that organized religion poses to the secular world. All religions, Christianity included are the enemies of science, but Islam is the only one that advocates violence against nonbelievers to such an extent. Anyone who doesn't understand this has been blinded by "multiculturalism" teaching us that we need to tolerate the stone age beliefs of ignorant desert nomads and place them on equal footing with the greatest source of knowledge and technology that modern society has to offer.

That's why Darmstadt looks like shit. And Mannheim for that matter.

>>3721259
While it's perfectly legitimate to have concerns about any ideology (religious or not), 99% of islamophobes are just racists trying to dress up their racism as high-minded ideals.

E.g. some of the loudest critics of Islam's treatment of women (and gays) could do with taking the splinter from their own eye first (I'm looking at you, southern baptists).

>>3721286
Except southern baptists aren't the most vocal critics of Islam's treatment of women and they certainly don't condemn Islam's treatment of homosexuals. The actual critics of the Islamic sexism and misogyny are liberals, particularly in Europe

>>3721236
>Implying those elections weren't fixed by the communists
>Implying that those 3200 killed weren't the communists fixing the elections

>>3721281

>but Islam is the only one that advocates violence against nonbelievers to such an extent.

I think it is funny how none of this extreme/fundamental shit is even in the Koran. Not an expert here, but apparently the meaning of the Koran can be interpreted rather "freely".

That being said, Christianity has had its fair share of violence in the past. At the moment there just isn't a counterweight to Islam.

Multicultural society fails because not all cultures are evaluated equally. The "invading" culture is treated in higher regard. Don't like a minaret next to your door? Well then you must be racist/xenophobic. Are you a woman that likes to wear shorts in summer? Well, better not do this in an Islam rich neighborhood. It will be considered offensive. Etc. Clearly one culture of the multicultural society is more dominant.

>>3721238
Doesn't R. Paul hate Islamics too?

>>3721306
>I think it is funny how none of this extreme/fundamental shit is even in the Koran. Not an expert here, but apparently the meaning of the Koran can be interpreted rather "freely".

Exactly. All this bullshit that people attribute to Islam is a modern political development; the religion is not any inherently worse than any other, and up until the last century was a fuckload better than most.

>>3721259
>Phobia is irrational fear.
I honestly hate that definition of "phobia," even more aggravating that it's the official definition accepted by the likes of even the DSM, because not all phobias are irrational or peculiar. If you want truly irrational fear, try paranoia.

I never understood why as a liberal atheist I should have positive feelings towards multiculturalism and islam. Muslims as a whole are extremely religious, mysoginistic, anti-human rights, homophobic as fuck and want to force their religious BS on everyone. Shouldnt we be at the forefront of opposition against there bigots?

>>3721341
That is what they want you to think to draw your attention away from the main enemy - the USA. Luckily most liberals have not fallen into this trap as you have.

>>3721341
don't start making sense now, your fellow liberals will turn on you and lynch you for a racist.

but seriously, I agree entirely. I've never understood atheists that think defending islam is the same as opposing christianity.

>>3721347
I have never met a single atheist who defended Islam. In fact, all atheists I know are self professed liberals as well and are staunchly opposed to Islam as well as all religions, even so-called "liberal religions" like Buddhism.

>>3721346

>they

conspiracyfag detected

>>3721341

>Muslims as a whole

Have to disagree here. I've met some very nice and respectable muslims. I figure it's like any other religion. You've got your whackjobs and your normal human beings.

>>3721358
Hang out on newsvine, you'll see the numerous resident atheists there spend a fair amount of time defending islam. Probably just because it pisses the fundies off, but still.

>>3721363

Thats how I meant it, that th proportion of whackjobs is relatively very high in islam.

>>3721306I think it is funny how none of this extreme/fundamental shit is even in the Koran. Not an expert here,
>not an expert here

It shows. You don't have to dig too hard.

Sura 4:89
They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

The Qu'ran makes clear that the penalty for converting from Islam to another religion is death and all 5 schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree on this point.

>>3721363You've got your whackjobs and your normal human beings.

At least you didn't say "rational" or "sane". It's not possible to believe that the omnipotent creator of the universe decided to speak to humanity last through a remote desert pedophile scam artist and still be considered rational or sane.

>>3721363

Religions are not equal, some are more fucked up than others. I believe that Islam is among the worst.

>>3721392among the worst.

Going to have to award it first prize. The island religion/culture where it's believed that men have to fuck young boys in order for the boys to absorb enough semen to start producing their own is fucked up but not really as damaging as modern Islam is practiced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y2Or0LlO6g
Fuck you all.

>>3721420
Which does nothing to prove that whatever is written in the Koran is factual in nature. As a result, these people are still believing FANTASY and that is dangerous enough in itself when you realize that these people also base policy decisions on a work of FICTION.

She might as well be presenting an analysis of Goldilocks and the Three Bears.

I believe gods words are within the koran. the begiinning chapters (most of the book) are of a deep, "20/20 foresight" I know exactly waht im going to say, and make it very clear through its convolution. Its like a maze that has different doors and passage ways that at first seem like distractions. but these passage blocks and "longways" are actually the proper way throught the maze! If I spoke arabic I would be doubly a believer but in english it all makes sense. Only something that doesn't give a shit about anything but doing good would pass the book down. It has no intent. It has no meanness. every time it says to strike unbelievers. it means only if truly fairly should u do so. not just go around looking for unbelievers to kill. for they deserve their time on earth to believe. when they die is when they will be chastised for their wrong doings.

theres no one alive today that was in Darmstadt in 1944 so fuck off

>>3721515
yes there is.

people are talking about nine eleven like hilary said because america fights a war of information.
its very important, i guess not anymore as it was, to remember that it didnt really attack itself so that the
absurdity of this criminal and imperialist war may avoid seeing trail.
so scandoulous.

>>3721259
>lol Turkey stats
I am from Turkey,and i can tell you,this research has never done.

>>3721222
RAF = Red Army Faction or Royal Air Force?

>>3721306

2:191 "Kill [the unbelievers] wherever you encounter them."

As unambiguous as this may sound, it is usually only understood by scholars to mean that Muslims may fight back against enemies even if they are in Mecca - before this Sura was ah... produced, Muslims were convinced that it was a sin to fight (even in self-defence) in Mecca.

As with others, the religious texts are easy enough to manipulate to support whatever worldview one wishes them to support.

Man I live in Darmstadt ...

religion came out of the breast of man
everything we speak about has been about our internal world.
i understood that one is suited best confident and believing and kills his doubt.

>>3721541

Can you asure as that no turks have such extremist beliefs, even those in backwards rural areas? I dont think so, and I am going to believe a respected institution over someone on the internet.

captcha: eHong Statistics

Slaves of political correctness until we go extinct it seems. You are not allowed to hate certain historically violent religion!

What a tragic event... considering it happened during A FUCKING WORLD WAR