/sci/ - Science & Math

I could care less if its legal or not I'll still do it.

>>3701189
Reason against:
Recent evidence suggests that cocaine use damages basic understanding and application of grammar.

>>3701184
cocaine is legal right now. you can get a script for it from the doctor to clear up your sinuses.

it should not be available on the street because the scumbags dealing in it step on it with rat poison, etc., 'cause they don't give a fuck.

and even if untainted, it's too easy to overdose on, and/or become a major pain in the ass for law enforcement to handle.

>>3701189
COULDN'T care less. Dumb nigger. Sry that shit irritates me.

>>3701198
Counterpoint: Recent evidence suggests that cocaine use is fun

>>3701206
>it should not be available on the street because the scumbags dealing in it step on it with rat poison, etc., 'cause they don't give a fuck.

That's a reason for it be legal, fool. The fact that it's illegal is what allows them to to put other crap in it, because the guy buying illegal drugs has no remedy against him.

freedom of what i can put into my body
the government is made of people
what gives sally the right to say what i can and can't put into my body?
short answer she doesn't

>>3701285
doesn't have the right *

>>3701285
you are not free you are a citizen.
don't mix the two things up, its not healthy.

>>3701298
yes im aware...
bring on the stateless utopia!

Shit's dangerous as a mutha fucka. Why the hell would anyone legalize it?

Since the overdose potential is so high but taking the criminal element out of its trade is just so lucrative, I propose a solution.

Coke bars. You must register with your state if it decides to legalize coke bars. You must get a physical from your physician (at your expense) and bring the data to a coke bar. The coke bars employ (at their own expense) one registered nurse on staff for every 50 patrons using coke. Capacity for guests not using coke is limited only by fire code.
100 people at your bar doing blow means you need 2 RN's on staff.

People bring their medical data to the coke bar and the nurse will process it and give you a user card and ID number, this information is kept private and used only for coke bar purposes. Your card/ID is valid at any other coke bar in the state once you're in the system.

You are allotted a maximum dose of blow over a given period of time as determined by the RN. After this, you can buy lines to be consumed in the coke bar by yourself and whoever else is registered for use.

If you want to do it at home, you must hire an independent and cocaine-certified RN at your own expense to dispense and monitor use. I can see (very expensive) coke parties where the host fronts cash for the RN and other help to pay him back.

It'd be good for the economy and a minimal drain on the government, as the DEA already monitors legal drug use and the ATF monitors alcohol distribution in a similar, if less stringent, way.

Serious question:

Can anyone tell me why it is currently illegal?

>>3701373
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine#Prohibition

>>3701373
because the main source of the product is from a south american country.

>>3701373

Because its a potent narcotic that has to be used with extreme control and caution if you dont want to ruin your health.

>>3701382
What right does the government have to tell you what to do with your own health?

legal.

Sherlock Holmes smoked crack. That settles it for me.

>>3701332
Charlie Sheen could start a chain of coke bars in various states, it'd be like the Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville of blow.

Similarly, you'd see Snoop's Dogg Pound, Cheech and Chong's Cannabis Cartel, Willy Nelson's Wily Weeds, etc. all competing in the marijuana bar market.

>>3701386
I'm pretty sure the government has a right to restrict the sale and use of certain substances, as precedent has proven. You should bring it up with a judge, though

>>3701386
what right do you have to complain about your government, you are only one citizen.

>>3701388
Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character. Don't tell anyone

>>3701386

Just like it wont allow you to commit suicide, and if you attempt it they lock you.
Why?
Because its Illogical/Lunacy to harm yourself, and if you do it to yourself, you may to it to others as well.

all you straight edge faggots make me sick, have you even actually tried it?

>>3701332
Your idea is great except for this:
>People bring their medical data to the coke bar and the nurse will process it and give you a user card and ID number, this information is kept private and used only for coke bar purposes. Your card/ID is valid at any other coke bar in the state once you're in the system.

i would never, ever give any medical information to any bar owner. That shit is between myself and my doctor. However, the state or federal government could require that a physician issue a "OK to use drugs" card; i would be much more comfortable using that method than individually convincing bar owners that i'm not a health hazard

>>3701189
How much less could you care?

Cocaine killed the God brah. It should be illegal.

>In Colombia 1 gram of cocaine is legal for personal use

>>3701395
>what right do you have to complain about your government, you are only one citizen.

see:
>of the people, by the people, for the people
just one citizen = US government

>>3701389
>>3701395
Also, just saying, in this ideal USA, the price of coke has a "medical surcharge" built into it so that the national healthcare system is prepared for any potential medical problems your cocaine use might engender. Every legal line sold has charges built-in to pay for potential medical problems down the road without burdening the non-using populace.
>>3701404
The idea is that the bar owner doesn't manage the information, the State's registry system does. The nurse is employed by the bar, but she's registered/certified by the state to deal with your coke user ID.

He/she is paid by the bar to handle the interface with the state. The bar doesn't keep records or anything, it's the state's records system that the bar ultimately funds and pays the nurse to use.

This way, privacy is preserved and cost to the state are nigh nonexistent.

>>3701382

>He thinks cocaine is a narcotic

cocaine is only barely more addictive than tobacco.

If cigarettes are legal, then cocaine should be legal.

Cigarettes ARE legal, ergo cocaine should be legal.

>>3701463

>Implying excessive use of Tobacco can kill you immediately

If this implication wasnt a fantasy you may have been correct.
But you arent.

>>3701426
If you have your ID, then it's valid at all coke bars, since the ID is a state-wide thing, not just limited to one bar.

You walk in with your ID in pocket, hand it to a very sexy nurse in a skimpy outfit, and she checks it with the state's database. You're good to go so you sit down, order a few lines, and shit gets started. Some friends call you up, see if you want to go out, and you tell them you're at "B'low Charlie's". They don't have a coke user ID, but they're welcome anyway to drink or whatever. They are informed by the bouncer/bartender that if they consume coke, the bar is liable for fines and the users and bar employees face criminal charges.

This incentivizes the bars to regulate themselves.

>>3701463
cigarettes don't cause people to go insane though

>>3701463
Addictiveness isn't the only property of a drug. there's:

Addictiveness
ease of overdose
social life impairment (IE, can't keep a job, risk to family, other bullshit)
and intoxication

Cigarettes are highly addictive, like cocaine, but cocaine's ease of dose and intoxication level are significantly higher than cigarettes.

Marijuana is significantly less addictive than cigarettes, its risk to social impairment is moderate, and its intoxication is much higher than cigarettes.

Alcohol's addictiveness is relatively low, its intoxication level is very high, its potential for overdose is high, and it's risk to social impairment is high.

>>3701484
Also, given what coke can do to one's personality, I can see a market emerging for off-duty police to act as bouncers.

You can do lines of coke off a (legal) prostitute's tits or ass right in front of a cop. However, if you truly get out of line, your ass will be tased and dragged to jail by a bouncer with actual arrest powers.

>that feeling when your parents will never approve of your future heroin addiction, even if legalized

>>3701501

So you're saying we should ban alcoh-OH WAIT!

>>3701479
my good man, excessive use of tobacco WILL kill you immediately.
because excessive amounts of nicotine in your blood will kill you.

>>3701501
>implying that doing coke causes more physical damage than smoking

>>3701526
I forgot to make the point, but in relation to the three drugs i mentioned:

Cocaine makes all the other drugs look like asprine in regards to overdose. The social implications are potentially awful. Cocaine is highly addictive, like cigarettes.
and of course it is intoxicating.

The two things that make the drug worth banning, though, is that it has very high addictiveness and very high potential for overdose. Those two combined make the drug a good killer.
The fact that it's also intoxicating as well doesn't help. If you're always hopped up on cocaine from how addictive it is, you're likely to make some bad decisions.

>>3701545
>implying it isn't:

>Physical side effects from chronic smoking of cocaine include hemoptysis, bronchospasm, pruritus, fever, diffuse alveolar infiltrates without effusions, pulmonary and systemic eosinophilia, chest pain, lung trauma, sore throat, asthma, hoarse voice, dyspnea (shortness of breath), and an aching, flu-like syndrome.

also
>cocaine does often cause involuntary tooth grinding, known as bruxism, which can deteriorate tooth enamel and lead to gingivitis.

>>3701559
let's not forget

>With excessive or prolonged use, the drug [cocaine] can cause itching, tachycardia, hallucinations, and paranoid delusions. Overdoses cause tachyarrhythmias and a marked elevation of blood pressure, which can be life-threatening.

>>3701547

That does a good job of explaining why it's bad for you, but that doesn't explain why it should be illegal.

>cocaine legalized
>retarded people all die off
>average IQ of population raised by 2 deviations
>??????
>PROFIT!

>>3701564
>>3701559
Show me the cure for cancer and we'll talk, those symptoms aren't THAT bad, compared to the symptoms of prolonged tobacco use.

I hope you're trolling, most things, if abused have serious health consequences.

>>3701577

>>3701378
>This section does not cite any references or sources.

Nice sauce there, asswad

Yo, I do weed,LSD and shrooms and all you normal people and junkies can die a painful and horrible death while I experience life changing euphoric NON DAMAGING trips. high as fuck bro. you jelly?

Should be legal. Any damage done to yourself is self-inflicted, so it shouldn't be a governments place. Any laws your break while on cocaine should be the same charge as if you weren't doing cocaine.

Herp Derp let's arrest people and put them in jail because we have suspicion that they might eventually hurt someone.

>>3701386
if it didn't take precautions then the country would be in the shit.

also government =! some external organisation trying to fuck you over

government = the majority of people

I don't understand the argument that cocaine is addictive. So what? Do you think I am not aware? I fully accept the consequences.

I think a better approach would be to treat it like a poison, but sold for everyone without much questions. I.e. there are a lot of warnings, minors are not allowed to use it, putting it in someone's food or on a place that a minor could have access to it is a considered a crime.

>>3701595

Pretty much this, but less retarded.

Why would you risk doing drugs that could kill you and do have negative effects, when you can take safe drugs that could make you a better person?

>>3701595

>life changing
>trips

>>3701606
even the relatively safe drugs can give you some serious psychological illnesses. at first it 'makes you a better person' (not sure how though your words not mine) but then it will just freak you the fuck out.

>>3701601

>if it didn't take precautions then the country would be in the shit.

>mfw it used to be legal even in britian and america
>mfw both of those countries were fine then and fine now

>>3701606
Yeah, I'm all for legalization and regulation of "harder" drugs as outlined in my coke bar scheme. However, I have no interest in them myself. The psychedelics are the most interesting drugs for me.

>>3701184

It has several medical uses, and it is only logical that individuals can decide to put things into their body, at their leisure, and for any reason they may have, granted they do not initiate an act of aggression against another.

>>3701627

How exactly? I have never been freaked out on shrooms, or weed for that matter. And mixing them does nothing bad either.

It has been refuted a million times, but I'll say it again: You only risk going crazy if you are very vulnerable psychologically and was going crazy sometime anyway (basically).

>>3701627

Did you know that shrooms are used to cure mentally ill persons.

>inb4 [citation needed]

Just look at the fucking page for shrooms you bastard. It's right there.

>>3701332

>group of drug-addled coke fiends gang rape the RN
>raid the store room
>shit goes crazy

Me thinketh not, Sir Tim.

>>3701892
Why do people have this notion of cocaine?

e.g. if you do coke you will rape murder and steal

Snorted coke is mostly used in high classes because of the price, if you were to legalize meth, that's a different thing.

>>3701909
Forgot to put context in this, I meant to say that high class people probably won't do this, for a few exceptions, in contrast to other "low class" drugs, such as meth.

>>3701909

Addiction retard. They will probably be like 10 feet away from piles and piles of crack. When they are addicted as fuck, do you think they are going to let a tiny nurse stop them from getting their fix?

>>3702014
Crack? That's for niggers.

>>3702027

>implying cocaine is any less addictive

>>3701198
> Recent evidence suggests that cocaine use damages basic understanding and application of grammar.
One should have the freedom to damage their own mental faculties. After all, we still allow religion.
>>3701206
> it should not be available on the street because the scumbags dealing in it step on it with rat poison
Cutting it with rat poison without consent should be illegal.
> even if untainted, it's too easy to overdose on
People have a right to poison themselves.
> a major pain in the ass for law enforcement to handle.
So legalize it, and they won't have to.
Or alternately, boo hoo, the police have to deal with illegal things in exactly the way we pay them their salary to do. Oh, I know, we can hire four times as many cops and equip them all with GIANT MECHA using half the cocaine sales tax profits.

>>3702067
>implying the addictiveness is the main issue

>>3702067
>implying cocaine is physically addictive

It should remain illegal so that drug-test manufacturers can continue to reap profits from those who have to take piss tests for work or probation. /thread (?)

>>3701398

>and if you do it to yourself, you may to it to others as well.

If someone kill themselves they wouldn't be able to do anything to anybody

>>3702240

You can't compare cocaine to nicotine. Cocaine is extracted from coca leaves, which contain low levels that cause a cigarette-like buzz. Any argument for or against cocaine that invokes the legality of cigarettes is fallacious, because to actually be comparable to cocaine you would have to extract pure nicotine powder and sell and consume that.

>>3702014
The nurse won't, but the bouncer will.

I'd imagine bouncers would be off-duty police officers hired by the coke bars for their arrest powers, intimidating presence, and protection from certain legal liabilities.

The cokeheads could go nuts, but there'd be some epic tasings and ass beatings.