/sci/ - Science & Math

>cancer has literally been cured
>not one bump

> can't see we already had this thread

>>3663360
link plox

Guys, malignancies are not all this brilliant virus treats:
>JX-594 Demonstrates Antitumoral, Antivascular, and Anti-HBV Activities in Patients With Hepatocellular Carcinoma
http://www.nature.com/mt/journal/v16/n9/abs/mt2008143a.html

>>3663343
cancers a infinite.

>>3663343
>>cancer has literally been cured
>Implying the virus will target every single version of cancer there is
>Impying it isn't in the early stages of research and needs more research into it
Its a nice find, but to proclaim OMG CANCERS CURED you are just as bad as Reporters and don't really understand the science behind it.

>>3663343
Just wait until the virus mutates and desires normal cells.

>cancer cured
>/sci/ is an epically cancerous board
>no more /sci/ posters

this and DRACO will be baller

>mfw draco cures all viruses and nobody knows what it is
>mfw this cures cancer
>mfw all disease is eliminated and only deaths wresult from organ failure and accidents/physical trauma within 10 years

pretty neat stuff, but /sci/ doesn't care. there's trolling to do

Yep, saw this earlier.

OH, DID PHYSICS DO THIS???? HHHHHMMMMM????? DID A BUNCH OF PHYSICISTS GET TOGETHER AND CURE FUCKING CANCER??????????

I DON'T THINK SO BITCHES. BIOLOGY IS VINDICATED!!!!

>>3663927
>yfw it was mostly chemists according to the articles

>>3663899
That was sweet

>>3663296
>cancer cured
>population goes up dramaticlly
>shit load of old people saved
>young cancer survivors allowed to reproduce
>world goes to shitter

>>3663934
>yfw, of the three articles I've read on this discovery (including one in the journal Nature) the word "chemist" was not mentioned once

>>3663899
That was before this treatment

We truly live in the best times, we do not only get to experience these revolutions, we get to see them being created live, it's like the 70s of rock but for science and medicine

>>3663985
This raises an interesting question:

Who is the Robert Plant of science?

with all these advances we probably need to start sterilizing people.
could you imagine an almost even distribution of age in a population.
that would be unimaginable.

>>3663934

>MFW CHEMISTS

ROFL

NO MANG

THEY DIDNT CREATE CHEMICALS

THEY CREATE BIOPHAGES

>>3663296

is this a real breakthrough?

or did skynews get their facts wrong (again)

>>3664017
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14730608
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v477/n7362/full/nature10358.html

>mfw this treatment is proven to work, then mysteriously is discontinued

>mfw no politican or rich tycoon ever dies of cancer again

>>3664017
its been thought up before.
Using viruses to either add dna cells to make them stronger (done with lab rats) or kill off cells (and duplicate).
They just needed the right virus to modify.
there is always gonna be a risk that the virus will mutate and target other cells but who cares right?

I call bullshit.

Cancer cells are nigh indistinguishable from normal functioning cells even by our own T lymphocytes and cellular defense mechanisms.

If a chemical / virus affects the entire body, you either stop ALL growth, or not at all. Thats why chemotherapy is so crappy on the patients. (their hairs drop because they no longer grow)

Sounds pretty bull to me.

>yfw 5 years later they realise that the "miracle virus" makes people sterile/ gives patients retarded babies with short lifespans. (You need telomerase to re-extend the telomers in your gametes, otherwise your baby will be born an old aged person)

>>3664049

>>yfw 5 years later they realise that the "miracle virus" makes people sterile/ gives patients retarded babies with short lifespans.

This, probably.

If it affects the whole body, theres no way you could stop it from affecting the gametes.

>>3664001
That raises a more interesting question:

Who is Robert Plant?

Anyway if he's cool, the answer is probably Richard Feynman.

>>3664049
>makes people sterile
thats great that would counter act the population increase maybe...

>>3664049
except human beings are far more intelligent then natural selection and whatever shit tier defenses our immune system came up with we can make a billion times better.

>>3664049
You really don't get it do you?

>>3664034
>implying that article won't appear in history books as the beginning of the age of genetically engineered biowarfare

>>3664062

>>3664059
If humans are so intelligent, why did you use then instead of than?

>>3663899

Such an ignorant comic.

>Million types of cancer

SEVERAL ROOT CAUSES DUMB FUCK

THATS WHAT CANCER RESEARCH IS DOINGR, TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO THE ROOT CAUSES

Fuck.

>cant ever cure cancer
ISHYGDDT

>>3664055
>a photo of Plant taken in the 1970's
>Robert Anthony Plant, CBE (born 20 August 1948), is an English rock singer and songwriter, best known as the vocalist and lyricist of the rock band Led Zeppelin.
>2011
>not knowing who Robert Plant is

Anyways, yea, it would probably be Feynman.

>>3664062
>implying that age didn't start a decade ago.

as a phd student in genetics, this is great news. But reading this thread is killing me inside. Half of you dont have a fucking clue.

>>3664061

Have some actual facts in your head before you contend something, otherwise you can fuck off kiddo.

>2011
>See this "cancer has been finally cured" thread
>mfw, cancer was already cured using something safer.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Scientists_cure_cancer__but_no_one_takes_notice

http://www.dca.med.ualberta.ca/Home/Updates/2007-03-15_Update.cfm

Read up /sci/entists!

>>3664094
fuck, sorry, didn't realise first link already died.

Here:
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/228583-Scientists-cure-cancer-but-no-one-takes-notice

>>3664079

>ad hominem followed by opinion

Butthurt basement dweller detected

>>3664097

Lol.

>faggot thinks selling chemotherapy drugs over the counter is a good idea

>In human bodies there is a natural cancer fighting human cell, the mitochondria

Stopped reading there.

>>3664079
As a fellow grad student, agreed. Kind of glad they got it, but dang... Now what the fuck am I supposed to contribute?

I guess on the bright side, I don't have to feel so bad none of my PhD applications came back positive- it would suck finding out the field you're plunging in has just jumped the shark.

>>3664130

>>3664139
theres plenty to do, bro. Jump right in. As long as you choose a path instead of focusing on a technique, you'll be fine.

>>3664150
Eh? I always thought the opposite. I mean, they were doing cloning before I was born, they'll probably do cloning long after I'm dead. That shit ain't never going outa style.

Anyhow, I've already went down a different path, probably won't be coming back.

>>3664144

... Is that picture in agreement? Because I can assure you, the mitochondria isn't

1) A cancer fighting cell
2) A cell involved in the immune system at all
2) A cell

>>3664167
I think he was agreeing with you. I know that was my reaction upon reading the sentence about the mitochondria.

>>3664167
in agreement
here is an article debunking it
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/05/dichloroacetate_and_cancer.php

I'm not sure whether I should laugh, rage, or cry at the failure to describe properly what a mitochondria does.

>>3664205
Mitochondria are just an organelle (a cel)

dichloroacetate

>>3664205
>mitochondrium

Idiot.
What do you study?
Physics?

>>3664222

lolololol no

mitochondria an prokaryote that got swalloed by another prokayrote an make eukaryote

wenever cell divide, mitochondria also divide, so it carry on. eventually form all eukaryote frm tis anomalee

Go go virus therapy!
Forcing something inherently evil to do something good.

>>3664231
Symbiotists: if prokaryotes were so smart, how come they're DEAD?

PROVE ME WRONG

>>3664229

>mitochrondrium

WHOOOOOOAAAA NELLY

YOU DID NOT JUST MESS THAT ONE UP SO BAD

SINGULAR OF MITOCHONDRIA IS MITOCHONDRION DIPSHIT

>>3664231
A mitochondrium conducts "cell" division independent of the host cell.

Back to /b/ with me, you guys are all idiots.

>>3664229

>mitochondrium

>>3664241

>A mitochondrium

Ach Mein Gott!

Pedants, pedants everywhere and getting their facts wrong.

>>3664239
bacteria are prokaryotes and they are still alive and kicking. MRSA will fuck your eukaryote body up.

>>3664241

lolololol prokaryote not ded, prokayrote in u! 0.o

>>3664239

mofo don know that intracellular communication during g2 initiates replicashun of mitochondria lolololo

>A mitochondrium

>mitochondrium

>DRIUM

>>3664229

Damnit /sci/, is this what you've become????

Brb, cultivating a colony to produce enough botulinum toxin to kill myself.

>implying that if you had access to PCR technology you wouldnt be getting high everyday

>implying that you would contemplate the prospect of suicide over the prospect of getting high

>>3664281
Are you guaranteed botulus if you make your own cans without sterilizing? Is it easy to set up a selective culture in "garage" conditions? Microbiology fags get in here.

>>3664301
*botulinum

>>3664298

Why would you need PCR to cultivate a bacterial colony? Agar, bro. It's not even like I would have to seperate the botlinum from the growth medium and bacteria, just swab everything into a sandwich, eat it, and die.

>>3664301

>Backyard cellular biology

NO.
JUST. NO.

FUCK NO.

Selectively evolving bacteria in cultures is like playing with dice.

On one hand you could produce penicilin, on the other, you could produce the next apocalyptical mutant zombie virus.

You better find a way to quarantine your shit before you start anything.

>yfw thats probably how aids got started

>>3664301

If you know how to sterilize everything properly, and have a controlled environment to work in (I have a giant glass box I could convert into an ad-hock sterilized environment with a bit of work, along with access to various bacteria), the only thing left is finding a growth medium (aforementioned agar), and something to put the trays in to keep it at an optimal temperature.

also
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110831115940.htm

>>3664314

>mfw

Disclaimer: No, I'm not actually killing myself. Yes, I do have access to pure samples of various bacteria. Yes, we do have C. botulinum. No, I'm not telling you where I work.

>>3664319
>virus
>AIDS
>bacteria
one of these things is not like the other

>>3664319
>a retrovirus
>engineered by humanity

are you retarded?

on a semi-related note, if viruses aren't true organisms then why do they exist?

Uhhhhhh.....

No one?

>>3664345
no

because a virus that attacks tumors isn't randomly going to develop transmission via bodily fluids and brain degeneration all at once.

They exist to reproduce. The only reason why they aren't considered organisms is because they can't asexually or sexually multiply: they rely on a host's system that they hijack to reproduce.

>>3664340
to be picky, none of them are like each other
you want to replace "AIDS" with "HIV" there

And so begins the zombie apocolypse.

>>3664324
So how do you identify botulinum colonies, again in backyard conditions? You didn't answer the can question.

Also, how would you enrich the liquid culture for botox?

>>3664369

From backyard quality, getting a pure strain of C. botulinum would be very very difficult, but not impossible. It would require lots of testing and careful separation of samples. I know offhand that C. botulinum is gram positive, so that cuts down on the number of strains once you have a sample to sort through a decent ammount.

And as far as enrichment goes, I have no clue how the average Joe (Asuming they had a REASONABLE budget) would even be able to isolate the botulinum in the first place, so enrichment would be extremely unlikely.

>>3664395
Man, you're totally misunderstanding me. You're talking like I have access to equipment and no microbiological expertise. It's the exact opposite. Diff stain chemicals are gonna be a bitch to get, and useless without a microscope to boot.

>>3664409

Without equiptment, the closest you would likely come to a pure colony of anything, would be growing colonies of something on questionably sterilized glass jars.

>>3664417
You could boil the jars. The colony would be pure by definition, you pick it from the plate, yes? Trouble is knowing what you picked is cb.

>>3664432

How would you make sure the colony only contained one species of bacteria?

How would you keep the jars sterilized while you transfered the sample to them?

Why am I still awake?

I am going to sleep?

Why did I end that statement as a question?

>>3664460
Why am I beginning to doubt your credentials, when you demonstrate ignorance of common knowledge principles that should have been drilled into you in Bio101?

Sick, I own shares in a company that does this sort of thing
Gonna make bank and have contributed to destroying cancer.

>>3664476
Protip: They just got scooped.

>>3663296
OH WOW!
Wait let me check...
Nope my dad still wastes away from liver cancer jackass.

>>3664497


Sorry, bro.