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salt, not sale

why cant i

gold all this bacid?

from the base, whatever isn't the OH, + on the acid, whatever isn't the H.
what you have left will be the salt.
add it together in form [what is left from base] + [what is left from acid]

Take 2H's and an O from the reactants to make water, then use whatever else you have to make the salt

>>3660792
there are bases other than hydroxides

>>3660797
oh yeh.
fine, this works for hydroxides then.

>>3660795
sometimes CO2 is also given off, eg with acid/carbonate reactions

> that cat

( ._.)

>>3660797
If somebody asks that question he isn't yet ready for that relevation.

If I understand this right, you take the OH from the base and an H from the acid, use that for water, and then take whatever that is left and make that the salt?

>>3660823
This. Well sometimes it is lewis acid and lewis base and then acid accepts elecron pair from base, but you won't need that crap yet.

BTW: Avoid studying chemistry or anything related to it. It is horribly boring memorization based science and even as an actuall researcher you spend most of your time waiting till the machines are free so you can do your experiments and hoping that somebody didn't fuck them up while doing their own stuff on them. Avoid it like playgue unless you are 12 years old chemistry geek.

>>3660823
won't work for HCL and Na2CO3

>>3660846 Hehe thanks for the warning man. I'm actually just 18 years old, so I'm still in high school. When I go to university I'll either go study medicine or physics.

>>3660862
>chem is horrible memorization
>don't worry i'll study medicine

mfw

>>3660858
Why?
And are there other chemicals that won't work?

>>3660866
Cash man. Nothing's as good as cold, hard-earned cash.

>>3660865
2HCL + Na2CO3 = 2NaCL + CO2 + H2O

you learn hydroxides, carbonates, sodium carbonates, etc

>>3660858
>implying carbonates are basic

>>3660872
>medicine
I hope you're not a white guy, because you need to be like in the top 5% to even get a (good) job in medicine.

>>3660931
some are retard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_%28chemistry%29#Alkalinity_of_non-hydroxides

metal oxides are also sometimes basic

>>3660931
sodium carbonate is basic, it accepts H+

sure is high school chem in here

>>3660952
Not true though. Carbonates are not bases, they're just compounds that can form an easily eliminated acid in an acidic solution. By definition, carbonates are not bases, as they do not accept protons.

>>3660781
>dat pic
all of my feel

>>3660963
see >>3660961

see Na2CO3 + H2O → 2 Na+ + HCO3- + OH-

now go back to whichever shit tier place you come from

>>3660963
One more thing, regardless of what you believe, carbonate-acid reactions are clearly double-displacement, not neutralization which is what the OP asked about.

>>3660966

>mfw I was going to use that same pic in reaction

>>3660963
nope

sodium carbonate is a base

google is your firend if you like being shown to be wrong

>>3660977
>what OP asked about

read OP's post again dipshit

>regardless of what you believe
>thinks belief has a place in science

that sodium carbonate is a base is a FACT

>>3660977
>>3660781
> How do you determine what is the sale when I have a base+acid reaction?

i love it when high schoolers get mad and bewildered when they realise they've been taught a simplified version of science

>>3660963
WTF am I reading.odt

Seriously, ever thought of HCO3(1-)? It exists and it rarely forms OH(1-).

>>3660846
Oh for Christ's sake, I can't believe this bullshit. Most of Chemistry and actually all of Organic Chemistry is fairly logical. Negative parts react with positive parts. You don't have to know every synthesis and every named reaction, you have to know where to look. Waiting for machinery? Can't remember ever waiting to use a column or a round-bottom flask. It really depends on the exact field.

>>3660984
Na2CO3 is a sodium salt of carbonic acid.

>>3661063
true, but so what

never thought a salt could be a base?

>>3661063
>>3661063
only with an excess of base

bicarbonate with excess acid

in layman's terms, not all the basicness has been neutralised up the carbonic acid, so carbonate is still basic

>>3661003
Forming HCO3 and OH- in water is an actual chemical reaction. Carbonates on their own are not bases, lrn2highschoolchem.

>>3661098
hahahaha no

you realise that chem at university tells you that high school was a simplification?

you know nitrogen can be a base?

>>3661098
nope

unless you think HCl forming H3O+ and Cl- in water is a chemical reaction and hydrochloric acid isn't actually an acid.

god i hate aspies that are resistant to new knowledge because it shows they've been wrong.

>>3661134
Dissociation is not the same as replacement you derp. Forming NaCl- by adding HCl to liquid sodium is a chemical reaction.
>>3661127
Nitrogen acts as a base, but is not a base. Their is a serious analytical difference.
I hope you realize organic chem is not the crux of all chemical knowledge, and PChem and AChem make that shit look like high school.

>>3661196
>semantics

most of the world classifies sodium carbonate as a base as its solution accepts H+

deal with it.

>>3661196
so you still think sodium carbonate is not a base?

>>3661249

salts are above bases... everyone knows that.

>>3661236
No matter how you define it, that acceptance of H+ is a double-replacement, not a neutralization reaction.
>>3661249
Yes.

>>3661305
means of H+ acceptance is irrelevant to a substance qualifying as a base.

so you're out on your own here.

>>3661305
maybe read a dictionary of chem

>>3661322

YOUR Base is under a salt!!!!!!

>>3661305
>that acceptance of H+ is a double-replacement, not a neutralization reaction

true, but so what? what has this to do with whether something is a base?

this is the chewbacca defense

I want to cry at that pic now...

>>3661587

>>3661614
I'm tearing up

because I never had a Dad.

>>3661642
Same

>>3661614
I had to think of my mom because my father was...not the nicest person.