/sci/ - Science & Math

Why doesn't she just pay buy her grades on the free market?

>>3625175
Um, because that doesn't make sense you silly retarded liberal

OP that's one example, but a welfare system is designed to care for people who really can't take care of themselves or who are down on their luck. There will always be people manipulating it, and as it evolves it should be able to weed them out.

It's not propping up the lazy, it's maintaining those who cannot maintain themselves.
When you get some people who, because of their situation and context, have real trouble or simply cannot find work that pays enough, they are going to be stuck. If the rich just keep getting richer, more and more people are going to be stuck in this situation, starved of opportunities. A third-world country type situation gradually forms as the masses are impoverished while a select few people who got lucky or seized the opportunities before others hold the money.

The scenario you outlined isn't really the same.

>Screw teachers
>Good grades
>Become engineer

Conservative: a liberal that's had his wallet stolen
Liberal: a conservative that's been to jail

>>3625186
Following on, how can you expect a government not to be bankrupt when you let it levy no taxes? The government must maintain highways, the military, the police...

That analogy doesn't work.
If everyone studies hard, it's possible that they all get a 4.0 GPA

If everyone works hard, some will always be failures. There can be no winners without losers.

>>3625167
Good grades are necessary for success, but wealth is not.

Only Americans can suck up an analogy that irrealistic.

>>3625195

technically one can be successfull without good grades.

although the ones who actually have ability to do so would probably be getting good grades anyways, provided they arent underachieving.

>>3625167

Please post the exact name of the Government Program that gives you money for not working, I want to sign up for it.

So what you're saying is... Republican rhetoric is all about personal liberty and responsibility? We all know that.

But in practice they are a party that uses religious populism to provide a welfare state for the wealthiest people. While the democrats are a technocratic party that seeks to provide a welfare state to the poorest people.

>>3625191

Republicans are just mad because they see the trillions of dollars of retirement and medical insurance going through the Federal government, and they want it to pass through their cronies' hands so they can take their 15-20% cut.
It is about the money. It is ALWAYS about the money.

>>3625210
A thousand times this. "The market would be more efficient" is just a code for "I want a cut."

>>3625209
That's bullshit, both the mainstream parties are equally as power hungry and full of shit. Both parties are equally in favor of big corporations and the wealthy (trillions and bailout money anyone?)

>>3625197
Oh look everybody it's a europoor!

How's that collapsing economy and unsustainable socialism going? If you thought the London riots were bad, you're in for a rude awakening buddy.

Capitalists truly delude themselves.

>>3625248

I'd be inclined to agree with that. The Republicans are MORE populist, and the Democrats are MORE technocratic, but the difference is mainly in their rhetoric. It's good cop bad cop, it's just a more involved production because not everybody agrees on what a good cop or bad cop acts like.

When you see the things they agree on, you can see the real issues. That is, bailing out uncompetitive businesses, insulating the wealthy from risk in general, extracting money from the middle class, and maintaining government programs that they can skim (drugs especially).

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. She considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, but her father was a staunch Republican. One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to high taxes and welfare programs.


He stopped her and asked her, "How are you doing in school?"


She answered that she had a 4.0 GPA, but it was really tough. She had to study all the time and ever had time to go out and party. She didn't have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because she was spending all her time studying. On top of that, the part-time job her father insisted she keep left absolutely no time for anything else.


He asked, "How is your friend Mary?"


She replied that Mary was barely getting by. She had a 2.0 GPA, never studied, but was very popular on campus, didn't have a job, and went to all the parties. She was always complaining about not having any money, but didn't want to work. Why, she often didn't show up for classes because she was hung over.


Dad then asked his daughter why she didn't go to the Dean's office and request that 1.0 be taken off her 4.0 and given it to her friend who only had a 2.0. That way they would both have a respectable 3.0 GPA. Then, she could also give her friend half the money she'd earned from her job so that her friend would no longer be broke.

"Ok, I will."

And so she went, and her friend was so touched by her goodwill, they decided to start a business and became filthy rich, while her father died of stomach ulcers because everyone was out to get him and fuck him over and take his money.

>>3625268

That would be the Christian thing to do.

>>3625266
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/06/us-usa-debt-downgrade-idUSTRE7746VF20110806

America can't into AAAnymore.

>>3625277
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_credit_rating

Europes face when called poor by America

>>3625277
>durr america iz fat and stoopid their econemy bad to so im jus gonna distract myself by pointing out their flaws instead of seeing the problems in my own country that will make my country's debt and out of control immigration magically disappear derp

Eurofag logic

>Call America fat
>Don't think about the problems in your own country
>???
>Don't profit

>Mary has a GPA of 40 billion
fix'd

>>3625195
>Good grades are necessary for success
This is just BS. Good grades go along way but saying they are necessary for success is just terribly misinformed.

>S&P gives housing market AAA rating weeks before collapse

Oh yeah sure these guys know what they're doing.

There is only one way

>>3625311
Of course our countries have problems.
America just isn't in the position to use the Europoor card with a rating like that.

>bottom 50% of americans control 2.5% of the nations wealth

>>3625330
>are having problems*
I cannot into English anymore.

>>3625187

Rowan Atkinson actually has a degree in Electrical Engineering.

>>3625330
You must not be aware how bad the Europe's current position is.

>it is rather similar to the situation at the eve of the nazi's rise in yurop

>>3625311
What do you mean? My country can into AAA, in all four rating agencies. With a stable outlook.

>>3625343
>Implying the nazis were bad

>>3625331

>middle eighty percent of Americans create ninety-nine percent of the wealth

Poorfags and richfags both realise this.

>>3625192


> grades are a zero-sum game

Democrats actually believe this.

>>3625380

Grades ARE zero-sum (sort of...), as in, you are assigned a grade based on the relative achievements of everyone in the class.

But money, or wealth, is not zero sum. We can all get more pie by making more pie, rather than arguing over who gets what slice. The losers of today have more pie than the winners of a hundred years ago.

.....

He asked, "How is your friend Mary?"


She replied that Mary was barely getting by. She had a 2.0 GPA, never studied, but was very popular on campus, didn't have a job, and went to all the parties. She was always complaining about not having any money, but didn't want to work. Why, she often didn't show up for classes because she was hung over.


Dad then asked his daughter why she didn't go to the Dean's office and request that 1.0 be taken off her 4.0 and given it to her friend who only had a 2.0. That way they would both have a respectable 3.0 GPA. Then, she could also give her friend half the money she'd earned from her job so that her friend would no longer be broke.

Mary sighed. "I see what you're trying to say here Dad, but you're missing the point. Statistically, people like Mary come from poorer backgrounds and what you Republicans fail to understand is that in itself creates inequality. Society needs to improve over time and people like Mary are a complete waste. They often end up having lots of kids and leeching there way through and this will continue generation after generation. If richer people like us chipped in a little then her and others like her would be able to contribute to society, causing technological and economic growth. There'd be a hell of a lot less crime as well. But you enjoy your fancy car and poker nights, there obviously a lot more important to you than the contributing to the greater good."

>>3625395
Wealth is nice, if only fractional reserve banking wasn't as insidious and evil as it is, even regulated.

>>3625395

> 2011
> pretending a university that grades on a curve is an actual university

ISHYGDDT

>>3625397

The greater good can be argued for just murdering all poor people. Hence the greater good utilitarian bullshit does not exist.

oh boy /new/ invasion

more and more threads like this, too bad mods don't do anything about it as always

How is your friend Mary?

>she's looking really sick, like she isn't getting enough to eat

How are you getting on?

>fine, as you can see, I'm fat as the queen of sea-cows

Why not give some of your food to Mary?

>no way! I earned this food, she can just do the same

Welcome to the Republican party.


Free market works. Socialism (to a degree) works. But free market -OR- socialism plus people being assholes doesn't work.

>>3625404
Also, in b4
>fractional reserve banking
>evil
>he must be a venus project sympathizer

But rest assured, I do not side with the guy on the picture.
I don't have to to see the evil in it.

Dont worry, the young woman is a Job Creator.

You see, once she is rich enough to live off of long-term capital gains tax alone (no longer needing a job or employees), she will be given huge tax breaks.

She will know that the extra money she earns from the tax is supposed to be used to hire useless people like Mary to work for her, even though she knows that Maris is not a good worker, and doesnt really have a need for employees since she lives solely off of earned income from investments.

It will all work out and trickle down, just like it has for the last glorious decade.

>>3625426

> living off capital gains taxes

The fuck am I reading? You cannot live off negative money.

>Republican Party
>tax cuts are good, but only for the rich

>>3625446

> bush tax cuts
> cut taxes for ALL brackets, and more of a percentage cut for the lowest bracket
> huuuuuuuuur derp tax cuts for the rich huuuuuuuuur

nubs, there are no rich

there are only JOB CREATORS!!!!

>>3625451
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gop-will-raise-taxes--on-the-middle-class-and-working-poo
r/2011/08/23/gIQAEDJuZJ_story.html?fb_ref=NetworkNews

>HURRR the Republicans certainly aren't catering to the rich

>>3625426
>last glorious decade

troll harder nigger.

>>3625470
What the author of the opinion article is try to obfuscate is that the payroll tax was temporarily lowered because of the recession. The republicans are against extending the lowered rate again. They are not trying to raise it above what it was.

> payroll tax was temporarily lowered because of the recession.
> The republicans are against extending the lowered rate again.
> They are not trying to raise it above what it was.

HURRRR Bush tax breaks, derp

http://www.businessinsider.com/warren-buffett-the-super-rich-have-been-coddled-long-enough-by-a-bill
ionaire-friendly-congress-2011-8

Even Warren Buffet doesn't stand for this shit.

inb4 someone links Fox news using the GPA argument

inb4 someone links clips of Fox saying we should tax poor people

>>3625502
...and is called "Socialist" (as if that word meant anything coming from the mouth of an American) for it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOEPidoc6uA&feature=player_embedded

>>3625470

> obama supports tax cuts
> now letting a tax cut expire is a tax raise

Never change, democrats, never change.

>>3625500

The Bush/Obama tax cuts expire this year. Democrats support this, which is funny because that will mean the lowest bracket will now have to pay an extra 5 percent of their income in taxes. Democrats support raising taxes on the absolute poorest people.

>>3625502

> pledge half of money to charity
> more taxes means he gives less

Democrats actually support this.

>>3625446

>Republicans and Democrats

>tax tax tax
>spend spend spend

Just because they disagree on the particulars and the use different rhetoric doesn't mean they have any kind of serious policy disputes.

>>3625521

No link.

I support taxing people that receive the welfare while paying nothing in. Shared sacrifice and all that.

>2011
>not wanting a revival of Absolute Monarchy

ISHYGDDT

>>3625551
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-18-2011/world-of-class-warfare---the-poor-s-free-ride-i
s-over

Fox and the republican party have been pushing for tax increases on the poor for a while now

inb4 >daily show

>>3625598

> vote for a decade for lowered taxes on the poor
> republicans want to raise taxes on the poor

Which is it?