/sci/ - Science & Math

thinks*
what does sci thinks*

>>3615042

Removal of the state.

>>3615042
So. ...... What's the pic?

>>3615076

replaced by..?

>>3615087

/ic/ pic used to troll /a/

>>3615105

Consent.

>>3615076
communism, a capital idea

>>3615159

> removal of the state
> communism

Pick only one.

Everyone should be raised by the government.

Its okay. I think the Republic is the greatest form of government we have. On one hand we need the power to be with the people, but on the other hand, people are fucking stupid so we need the decisions to be made by the intelligent people among us.

far from perfect in practice, but its the best we got right now imo

>>3615172
i forgot you were an internet libertarian.
Communism=stateless society.
Socialist=step toward communism through the state.
Anarchy=step toward communism without the state

If I had something to make sure society gets?
Just the usual posthuman scientific inventions (SIM, AGI, MNT). Those inventions will make society do all the work that needs to be done, it would change it so radically and almost all our /current/ problems will be solved.
>>3615076
Would no longer be required as it would have no real function, nor would it be able to enforce anything.
>>3615159
Not needed either, except maybe for providing some base support platform (base physical and computational resources), however even then, the individual would be easily become able to support himself.

>>3615221

I knew you were an internet communist/fascist.

Communism = totalitarianism. It is complete removal of choice and consent in all matters, social and economic.

>>3615246
my god..i thought /sci/ was a sanctuary from this retardation; im not a communist i just said it to set up a pun.

You want us to say women's rights? Pic related.

What an open ended question is that?

>>3615246

Oh come now. There is more than one totalitarian ideology you know.

The difference lies in how each system reached its shitty statist-quo. Fascism got there by nationalism, hawkish behaviour and an ideological need to squash communism, socialism, the jews and the trade unions.

Communism got there because the Bolshevik party thought that only they could be trusted with bringing about their utopia. This lead to them shutting down multi-party elections in the soviets and driving all other parties, all over the political spectrum, underground.

In the fascist case, they wanted a system like that from the get go. Marx's theory however seems to advocate democratic (instead of bureaucratic) rule. The movement was taken over by people who used this vision as a carrot while thinking central planning was more important than stopping exploitation.

You should read up on the ideology of your opponents, otherwise you don't really know what they actually believe.

btw I'm not talking only about a system as state/republic/capitalism, but in general.

i.e. what do you think about the penal system?
I think that the fact that any crime is usually punished, except for the time, in the same way (prison) is ridiculous and counterproductive.
People who committed mild crimes and in general that aren't a serious threat to others should be helped to be rehabilitate.
On the other hand is wrong that mafia-men and dangerous irretrievable criminals are kept in prison with food and comfort with taxpayers money.

>>3615324

Democracy is defined now, and has always been defined as majority force rule. There are no set rules, it is simply 50 rapists telling 49 women rape is now legal.

The origins of totalitarianism being slightly different does not refute or question my claim in anyway.

>>3615348

If a state must exist, then tax things people choose to do. Like crimes. Do not tax labor or travel.

>>3615352

You're dodging the point. Don't be so quick to equivocate socialism and fascism.

As for some mob-rule form of democracy, you'd think someone harping on about personal freedom would be all for it

>>3615361
Stop trying to argue with Liberty. It's like trying to nail pudding to the wall.

>>3615352
>thinks democracy implies majority rule

>if you have the power to change anything you consider wrong (especially things anyone thinks are normal or just inevitable), what it would be?

Destroy etatism. Turn education focus from producing corporate drones to promoting healthy, rational individualism. Make indoctrinating children with irrational beliefs a crime as severe as any other form of child abuse.

There you go, I fixed society.

>>3615369
nailing pudding to the wall would be easier and make more sense

>>3615361

They are identical in almost all ways, save for name. Hitler enacted public ownership of the means of production. Companies were told what to produce, how to produce it, how many workers to have, how much to pay them, where to buy the materials from, whom to sell to, how much to sell for, and when to sell. Basically, Hitler's fascism, is the true communist's wet dream.

Democracy is mob rule. Period. And totally against Liberty.

>>3615370

No, not implies. It is the LITERAL definition. And it has no changed since day one.

>what does /sci/ about the system of our society

Well I once an entire society before, but has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? I have.

>>3615381
Hitler didn't enact total public ownership you retard, in most cases he forced smaller businesses to be absorbed into larger ones and gave slave labour to preferred private businesses.
It is well known to historians that the 'petty bourgeoisie' did best under the Nazi party.
Why am i even bothering though

>/sci/ - communism and socialism

>>3615416

The National Socialist Germans Worker's Party destroyed private business in every way possible.

>>3615430
how did i know you'd say that.
http://www2.wiwi.hu-berlin.de/wpol/schumpeter/pdf/Voth.pdf
You know even less about history than you do about economics.

>>3615455

> a link

What in this paper is important to your claims?

>>3615461
>cant even read an abstract

>This paper examines the incentives of private sector firms to undermine stable institutions and democracy
in one of history's most celebrated cases – the Nazi seizure of power. We offer new evidence on the size
and value of connections between German industry and Hitler's movement, drawing on previously unused
contemporary data sources about supervisory board composition and stock returns on the Berlin Bourse.
One out of seven firms, and a large proportion of the biggest companies, had substantive links with the
NSDAP. Crucially, our results show that helping to undermine democracy at important junctures produced
high returns. While the market as a whole rose after Hitler's accession to power, connected firms
outperformed by 5 to 8 percent between January and March 1933.
i linked it because i referenced it for a paper, some of us attend educational institutions.

Personally I would set up a system where the masses are polled for every major decision bar matters too urgent to wait for a public response. Every new or change to a law, how the government splits it's money between various departments will all be presented to the public to allow them to comment and hopefully iron out any possible problems. Nothing should be kept secret apart from info about the more secretive side of the military.

>>3615484

> 5-8 percent for three months

Haha.

>>3615499
that doesn't negate the point and the paper only served as an example.

>>3615515

> hitler is defined as what he did for three months in 1933

You might be the dumbest person alive.

Massive improvements in public education, with programs encouraging adults to continue education. A well educated society would work far better as a democracy then the current status of people being herded around like cows by the media.

>>3615526

> we need more state

Oh you!

>>3615530
A well educated man is more likely to understand his options and situation, and how to best take advantage of whatever he has. In the end people would understand why the state should be kept small, and because they are educated enough to have a function democracy, such a change would be swiftly enacted.

Democracy really is a beautiful system, if only the people weren't so damned stupid.

>>3615566
functioning*

nu blet, negi ir čia?

>>3615359

I missed it.

Can you tell me how can you tax a illegal thing?

>>3615619

Do it. Get caught. Pay tax.

>>3615622

It's called "fine". And I think that's definitely not enough for serious criminal offenses.

>>3615622

Wouldn't that just lead to a world where the rich can get away with whatever they want? And what happens if someone can't afford to pay the tax?

>>3615673

Implying rich people have infinite money

>>3615704

Considering the main reason rich people will be breaking the law is to make more money, I don't think that will be too much of a problem.

>>3615704
>implying that is an argument

so you are ok if someone actually owns a "credit" to commit even "only" one crime?

>>3615673

Those unable to pay will work it off.

bump

Has anyone noticed how often Liberty mistakes 'his' opinions for facts?

We are not the same as I hope to show. There is a better way if we just let go...

I want a system where I can find a job without having to apply to 60 places.

I'd make it so national health care doesn't cover self induced injury's like skateboarding, the only problem is that the government would argue things like getting beat up were self-induced in order to keep the money.

Removal of government coercion. People should be free to choose how to live their own lives. Instead the government forcibly takes people's money and uses it to kill people in other "nations." Governments are parasitic entities that have no legitimacy at all. The bloody history of 20th century conflict was made possibly by conscription (slavery) and taxation (theft).