/sci/ - Science & Math

>>3581973
k

It's libertarian, which means it will devolve into an oligarchy of the biggest businesses within a few days.

>>3581973

Ho'

I think this will be useful for your spacehams project http://openrocket.sourceforge.net/

Now on topic: I didn't know the Seasteading folks were all a bunch of libertarians, but then again it was rather obvious.

This seastead is afraid of us. We have seen its design flaws. The streets are recycled plastic and the gutters are mostly cardboard, and when the supports finally break loose in a storm, all the surfacefags will drown. The accumulated consequences of all their gullible idealism and lowest bidder construction bullshit will foam up about their waists and all the trust fund babbies and fat aging businessmen will look down at us and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look up from my four inch thick transparent acrylic dome 50 feet beyond the reach of the storm's wrath, and whisper "No."

is it just me or does this seem like it might easily devolve into a criminal's paradise

it's perfect for smuggling, escaping law enforcement and getting away with committing scams and internet crimes without having to settle in somalia

also, docks and seaports are notorious for attracting criminal scum. this place is like a seaport on crack

>mfw libertarian mostly means far right libertarian in the US
why cant i have my leftist libertarian utopian paradise?

>>3582094

Pretty much. It's Kowloon, but on an oil rig.

Inb4 Rapture.

I look forward to seeing organized crime as well as shotty buildings. It's gonna be a blood bath if they grant everyone that asks entry.

>>3582100
>That feel.

While I have no problem watching the founder of PayPal get scammed, I'm afraid this will end badly and people will be hurt.

>>3582094
It would be funny if it was set in the indian ocean. Tortuga 2.0.

But as it is going, it will just be a place for rich people to send their money to save on taxes, for burned-out mercenaries to retire to, and for mafias to whitewash money.

>>3582128

>>3582115

Get out of my head!

"I am Andrew Ryan and I’m here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow? No, says the man in Washington. It belongs to the poor. No, says the man in the Vatican. It belongs to God. No, says the man in Moscow. It belongs to everyone. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose....Thiel Land. A city where the artist would not fear the censor. Where the scientist would not be bound by Petty morality. Where the great would not be constrained by the small. And with the sweat of your brown, Thiel Land can become your city as well."

>>3582085
I lol'd and share your sentiments.

how will 1.25 million build a fucking manmade island?

the floating vatican?

Hey, Mad, one question: How much colloidal Carbon is there in the oceans? Including CO2 levels? I was thinking of a floating city that absorbs Carbon and other trash (Like the Texas-sized patch of garbage floating around the Pacific) and uses it as feedstock for a molecular assembler.

Am I the only one reminded of Rapture here?

>>3582150
its right wing libertarian bro
no rules
10 year old boys for everyone!

>>3582100
Because our revolutions were betrayed, and we can't build socialism in one floating platform.

>>3582130

>While I have no problem watching the founder of PayPal get scammed, I'm afraid this will end badly and people will be hurt.

I don't mind watching the debris from this huge pile of shit raining down around my colony as long as none of it causes any damage. If it does I'm sending their surviving relatives the bill.

>>3582144
Good question.
Why didn't they try to take over Sealand ?

>>3582165
we can try

>>3582115
>>3582133
>>3582136
>>3582154

in after Rapture

>>3582206
we just need a billionaire to fund it
any IDEAS?

>>3582153

You're actually better off using engineered microbes for this, the same way they've done for cleaning up oil spills.

Sublimating any valuable substance from ocean water is a dead end unless it's a byproduct of a process that is far more profitable over the short term. There was a craze in the 1970s where everyone thought they'd get rich sending sifting vehicles on caterpillar treads across the seafloor to collect gold particles that exist in trace quantities in ocean water. Eventually someone did the math and worked out that the business case didn't exist, that you'd need to spend many times more money keeping the vehicle running than it could possibly produce in gold, and that was scrapped.

Oceanic mining was actually considered a folly, a dead-end for easily duped investors until the first hydrothermic vents were discovered in 1977. Fast forward to 2009 and the first commercial hydrothermal vent mining operation began extracting precious metals from absurdly pure, directly explosed deposits in and around the solwara 1 site in New Guinea.

And that was before Japanese oceanographers found all those deposits of rare earth minerals in the Pacific. Shit is getting real faster than I could have possibly hoped for. It's an exciting time to be a seabro.

>>3582228
we spacebros and seabros need to team up and make america not fucking retarded

>>3582144

>how will 1.25 million build a fucking manmade island?

That much cash would more than pay for the initial colony hub of Atlantica (pic related). I really wish we had the skill attracting loony investors that the Seasteading Institute apparently does.

>>3582175

I've seen Sealand. It's just a large rusting iron table, there's nothing to it. The best use of it would be to provide a law-free website hosting farm, for otherwise illegal content, and obviously a tax haven.

I wonder how many libertarians are libertarians because of a skewed sense of entitlement, believing that property rights are sacred and inalienable.
I wonder if they expect that everyone will respect those when they haven't much to gain by doing so.

>>3582170
I don't mine seeing the bloated dead human bodies and debris from your colony floating up to the surface of the ocean.

>>3582144
Depends on the type of island. At least two people have built their own mobile islands on a "foundation" of air-filled plastic containers for relatively small amounts of money. It helps that plastic containers are very easy to acquire, as is dirt and sand.

Of course, these islands are DIY projects, not massive floating cities.

>>3582228

>There was a craze in the 1970s where everyone thought they'd get rich sending sifting vehicles on caterpillar treads across the seafloor to collect gold particles that exist in trace quantities in ocean water. Eventually someone did the math and worked out that the business case didn't exist, that you'd need to spend many times more money keeping the vehicle running than it could possibly produce in gold, and that was scrapped.

Well, I lol'd.

Engineered microbes would probably be cheaper than a plasma-arc, but at some point the debris has to be disposed of as single atoms (Or hydrogenated single atoms, ie methane) for a molecular feedstock.

Someday I'll get the CNT pump to work, until then, bioengineered bacteria it is.

>>3582100
>>3582248
im so sad

>>3582249
You don't? That's gross.

>>3582233

>we spacebros and seabros need to team up and make america not fucking retarded

Truefacts, spacebro.

To the sea, to the stars, to the barren dunes of Mars. To the desert, to the core, we can't help but to explore. To the arctic, to the sky, may our species never die. :3

>>3582269

Wages are normally set by supply demand. These wages should also be set by supply and demand for any jobs which company owners might perform, if they perform any. This way we wouldn't have parasitic company owners.

>>3582255

Speaking of DIY, has there ever been a project like Factor e Farm but for the sea?

Wages are normally set by supply demand. These wages should also be set by supply and demand for any jobs which company owners might perform, if they perform any. This way we wouldn't have parasitic company owners.

>>3582211
When I was studying political science, a few years ago (before the 2008 crisis, I think), one of our professors invited some kind of trader/private investor that made millions before he was 30.
I don't remember much of the speech, except the part when he said that he recognized that his money wasn't clean nor useful and that if one of us had an idea of something actually useful to do with it he could give it away.

I suppose there are rich people willing to give money for some anarchist utopia, but the problem remains. Anarchy is designed to help the whole humanity, not a few refugees.

>>3582284

>Speaking of DIY, has there ever been a project like Factor e Farm but for the sea?

Closest thing I can think of are these automated open ocean aquaculture pods. Vast netted enclosures with solar powered, computer scheduled feeders and pheromone releasers that provide food at precise intervals and induce off seasons mating to maximize yield. These can be plopped anywhere in the ocean at whatever depth the fish you're cultivating live at.

>>3582301

Are the designs open source'

Hey right-wing assholes. The left is already dominant in most of the Europe and Canada. In fact, it's so dominant that it's already being met with armed resistance by right-wingers (Anders Breivik who shot up Labor Party Camp is an example). As the left dominates, these dominated areas will only move more and more to the left.

A large portion of these countries can already be classified as social democratic, which is the first stage of socialism.

Enjoy capitalism!

>>3582316

>In fact, it's so dominant that it's already being met with armed resistance by right-wingers (Anders Breivik who shot up Labor Party Camp is an example)

I think you mean the only example. How long do you plan to milk it?

>>3582310
OPEN SOURCE = something badly designed that's so esoteric and abstruse that most engineers wouldn't even bother reading it

More than one out of six people lack access to safe drinking water, namely 1.1 billion people, and more than two out of six lack adequate sanitation, namely 2.6 billion people (Estimation for 2002, by the WHO/UNICEF JMP, 2004). 3900 children die every day from water borne diseases (WHO 2004). One must know that these figures represent only people with very poor conditions. In reality, these figures should be much higher.

Tell me if im wrong on this one, im not sure on international water laws. But couldnt someone just get on it, and rob/kill/ect most the people there?

>>3582316
Is this a joke, or a troll?

>>3582310

They're not exactly hard to build. So long as you made your own fish tending system (an arduino and battery pack in a waterproof scuba case with a tether up to a solar buoy) rather than using their proprietary design you'd be legally in the clear. I mean, it's a tent made of netting. Just make yours a different shape. Pic related, an example of another potential design.

"Hey right-wing assholes. The left is already dominant in most of the Europe and Canada. In fact, it's so dominant that it's already being met with armed resistance by right-wingers (Anders Breivik who shot up Labor Party Camp is an example). As the left dominates, these dominated areas will only move more and more to the left."

Yeah dude look at what happened in China and look at what happened in the soviet union

obvious leftfag is obvious

>>3582342

I can tell that's Bryce just by looking at it. Is it yours?

Not OP, but i started a thread similar to this yesterday and got pics.

I like the idea, I'm libertarian, but they have to have some sort of starting government, income, and defense force. They have no way to harvest resources except maybe whatever they can find in their small territory on the ocean floor. Maybe fishing. Idk. But still, it's a cool idea I've dreamt about for a while.

>>3582336
>>3582327

This looks like it was designed in minecraft or something. Still cool. (lol at rocket ship to the right)


It would be like a bigger version of Sealand. They should also try building underwater (inb4 bioshock and rapture)

>>3582346
Former-Soviet economy is still largely dominated by the public sector. China has about half public sector and half private sector.

>>3582346
>china and the soviet union
>proper leftist examples
right wingers really believe this

>>3582342
>arduino
>overpriced garbage catered to noobs

>>3582334But couldnt someone just get on it, and rob/kill/ect most the people there?

Only if you were significantly better armed than the other people around you. And even then I don't think there'd be much to steal.

>>3582316Hey right-wing assholes. The left is already dominant in most of the Europe and Canada. In fact, it's so dominant that it's already being met with armed resistance by right-wingers (Anders Breivik who shot up Labor Party Camp is an example). As the left dominates, these dominated areas will only move more and more to the left.

And what happens when all those Muslim immigrants the Labour party let in breed until they become a majority? Sharia isn't exactly considered particularly liberal, though it does require a form of redistribution of wealth to the poor.

>mfw people think the soviet union and china were socialist

>>3582349

No, although it might not be a bad idea to design my own and add a few to the underwater colony scene I've been working on intermittently. Since showing the renders to the expeditions leader I'm now tasked with redoing the existing 3d imagery on the site (which dates back to the mid nineties).

Enough political left vs right talk, I really wanna see an idea like this come to life.

People would be forced to walk, ride bikes, and if it's big enough probably drive cars (Probably something small like smart cars) or boats. But it would be a nation of consumers and imports, I don't see how they could sustain a good economy. They'd have to receive some sort of corporate or government funding FOR YEARS until they found something.

>>3582346
>implying that wasn't a troll
Seriously, no leftfag would consider that the left is dominant in europe or canada.

>>3582386
>>3582386
>>3582386
Forgot pic.

>>3582334
>>3582375
Piratry is still a crime. That's why the navy of a few countries are stationned in the international waters around somalia.

>>3582405
I mean piracy. Fucking english.

>>3582405
I was fairly certain piracy involved interference with trade ships carrying the offended party's flag (or ally of offended party)? I'm not sure that applies here.

>>3582386

Actually they'd be in a situation very similar to any undersea colony, following what I call the Hawaiian model.

That is to say, there was no practical need to develop Hawaii. Originally we did it because it was beautiful and desirable, people moved there at great expense for that reason. Initially it was just a tourist destination but gradually it was able to grow into a proper state with its own industries and economy. There are farms, factories, theaters, restaurants and so on; Not because you need to go to Hawaii to do any of those things (just like how you don't need an underwater colony to farm fish, mine precious metals or build/maintain gulf stream turbines or OTEC buoys) but once people started living there, once the existence of human settlements was a given, it created the opportunity for an economy to grow around them.

The question is not "Do we need a seastead/undersea colony to do X and Y?" it's "If we're going to have a seastead/underwater colony anyway, can we use them to more effectively do X and Y, and possibly grow a local economy around those industries?"

>>3582412
>>3582405
The UN would help protect the cities from piracy. But I'm sure the cities will form some sort of military defense force or militia. There would also be no weapon laws, so I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of the citizens own a weapon and I'm sure they would purchase some before they move there just in case of a pirate scenario.

But if they don't have a libertarian government or way to start an economy they're fucked. If they just put people in there without any of that it would be anarchy and end up crumbling or turn into some sort of communist dictatorship.

>>3582436
>turn into some sort of communist dictatorship.
>communist
wat

>seasteading

Fiscally unsound,dangerous and neva gonna happen beyond crazies

stay on land where its high and dry

>>3582427
>>3582427
True. If it's in isolated enough waters it could also serve as a rest stop/ replenishing/refueling station for merchants, travelers, etc.

I'm sure if they put it in between trade routes that alone could help it's economy. But yeah I see what you mean with the Hawaii thing.

>>3582453
Totalitarian*

>>3582100
In my language, libertarian refers to the right wing, american-inspired movement and libertary to the ancient leftist tradition.
I like it like that.

>>3582144

That's just the money from one man.

>>3582536

>That's just the money from one man.

The man in the vatican said that money belongs to god.

The man in Washington said that money belongs to the people.

The man in Moscow said that money belongs to everyone.

But that one man chose something different....He chose the impossible....

>>3582470
but there is a giant school of thought for left libertarianism
infact it started out as libertarian meaning anarchy+socialism/communism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_D%C3%A9jacque

Hmmm. Another picture?

All jokes aside this is a symptom of the increasing acceptance of the sea as a major new frontier for human settlement and economic/industrial development. It's a misstep only in that they've chosen to put their colony at the surface to avoid the engineering challenges of putting it underwater, when in the long run it will wind up being more of a pain in the ass to design a colony to endure surface storms than it would have been to simply put it 250 feet underwater.

Pic related; One of these two designs will survive a tsunami. The other will show up on the nearest coastline as drifting wreckage.

"Before age 50, African-Americans' heart failure rate is 20 times higher than that of whites [...] "
-New England Journal of Medicine

It makes no sense to reject the concept of race when it's useful in certain circumstances.

>>3582642
>mfw wrong thread and I don't know how to delete posts

>>3582642

Wrong thread, bro. Also, /new/ is that way -->

>>3582648

I would tell you how but it's funnier this way.

>>3582652
>bottom of the screen
And I call myself a scientist. Apologies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDhcqua3_W8

>>3582633
Why so deep, what's wrong with 30 ft?

Hello, I have Asperger's Syndrome.

Equality is not moral its immoral, because you will always have to abuse the ones that are better to make them equal to the worse. Equality is impossible. How much empirical evidence do people need that redistribution doesn't work, how long will you continue the religious doctrine of equality under god and push economic creationism.

>>3582664

>Why so deep, what's wrong with 30 ft?

Wave action. The influence of a wave weakens with depth. In shallow water, when a wave passes overhead it's moving not just water on the surface (up and down, not horizontally for the most part) but an entire layer of the ocean that diminishes in strength the deeper you go.

At 30 feet you have some insulation but not much, at 60 feet the insulation is good enough that a well ballasted structure can reliably weather storms but will still be subject to stresses from it (the Aquarius is at this depth and has weathered many hurricanes without incident) but to completely escape the influence of storms altogether you need to be below 200 feet.

why build a floating city when there is plenty of free space on earth? Or why not just buy a small, uninhabited island and build a city there?

>>3582683
How dark is it outside at 200 ft down? And what's the ambient pressure (in atms)?

Aynrandia
Aynrandiana
Aynrandlesberg
Aynrandaville
Aynrandopolis
Aynrandograd
Aynrand City

>>3582567
I know about it.

Dejacque called it "libertaire" in french, which would translate as libertary like "revolutionnaire" translates as revolutionnary. And now libertarian in french, "libertarien", was translated back from the english to be used for the right wing movement while "libertaire" more or less kept its original meaning.

>>3582688

>How dark is it outside at 200 ft down? And what's the ambient pressure (in atms)?

Sunlight penetrates down to around 400-600 feet, so at 200 feet there's plenty of light. This pic isn't at 200 feet but it's about the amount of sunlight you see at any depth up to 300+ or so. The pressure is around 7 atmospheres, just barely beyond the safe limit for breathing an ordinary air mixture, so a colony at this depth must either be 1atm inside or if it's ambient it needs a breathing gas that is comprised partly of helium with a lower oxygen content than the air we're used to.

>>3582684

>why build a floating city when there is plenty of free space on earth? Or why not just buy a small, uninhabited island and build a city there?

Find me someplace on Earth that nobody owns, which hasn't been settled, and where the resource density (including flora and fauna) is comparable to the ocean.

>>3582708
Shows what you know about libertarians. Probably less than 5% of people who would call themselves libertarian would consider themselves disciples of Ayn Rand

>>3582708

>Aynrandograd

Irony.

>>3582723

Yeah I agree. There really isnt any free space. I like in Arizona, which is essentially occupied by a single city (Phoenix). The rest is desert. But that doesnt mean the federal government doesnt own 70% of the land, and will kick you off if you try and live there.

Besides there are problems with replacing the Entire ecosystem with human settlements.

It will be a small Isle only inhabited by a few millionaires and theyr employees.Of course there will be no criminality, or unemployment. But I bet libertarian will mean dictatorship, because the billionaires who built it wont allow 2nd class slav...employees to decide something.

>>3582734

What? How did I imply any amount of Libertarians are disciples of Ayn Rand?

>>3582737

>Besides there are problems with replacing the Entire ecosystem with human settlements.

And this doesn't apply to human settlements on or under the sea, because we *already* rape the fuck out of the ocean via trawling and dumping. Putting humans there would actually stop that sort of thing because of the NIMBY factor, and the necessity of farming fish and oceanic plants rather than just harvesting what's already in the sea with no thought given to how much we can take in the longterm before we've killed everything.

As counterintuitive as it sounds, the surest way to save the ocean is to put people in it. Especially people with wealth and political sway.

>>3582747

>a few millionaires and theyr employees
>theyr

Are you fucking kidding me? How did you get this far in life without knowing the word 'their'?

>>3582633
I think ultimately we will have both floating cities and underwater cities.

>>3582766
>Are you fucking kidding me? How did you get this far in life without knowing the word 'their'?
By not speaking english as mother tongue!?

>>3582427
hat is to say, there was no practical need to develop Hawaii.

Are you fucking kidding me? Look at a globe. Look where Hawaii is. Right in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Conferring a huge strategic advantage on whoever controls it. Hawaii is our single most important overseas military center.

>>3582766

2/10 almost fell for it

>>3582737
We should concentrate all of the urban population in two or three cities.

>>3582777
Autist status:
[X] Toldasaurus Rex

>>3582737

>economist
>Arizona
>reasonable

Are you me? Where are you going to college and why?

>>3582778

Now imagine a similar naval outpost positioned anywhere in the sea that we want it, capable of servicing submarines that never have to surface. If yours is a legitimate argument for the development of Hawaii it is even more legitimate an argument for subsea military installations. I can do this all day, brododendron.

>>3582787

Well how are you going to do that?

>>3582793

I go to ASU. Im actually going down there in a few hours.

>>3582804
Neat. I go to NAU. Business econ or government econ? I'm asking because NAU is cancelling their government econ, so for grad school I'm considering ASU.

>>3582794
I'm...not sure where you're going with this.
All I'm saying is that Hawaii was not viewed as useless by the America colonizers. The only reason we ever settled and eventually incorporated the islands was to control the pacific.

Sure, you could do the same with your floating wankbase or whatever. Nobody is disputing that.

However, if you insist on being argumentative about it, consider that floating wankbases tend to be much more vulnerable to conventional weapons than giant volcanic mountains.

>>3582761
Something you'd need to at least consider in the building of an undersea colony is some sort of surface structure that has easy access. Something like a flat deck that would allow people to leave the ocean whenever they'd like and live in both worlds whenever they wanted. That would be a major attraction to investors.

>>3582761

>that picture
>imagining an entire network of underwater hubs making up a city

>>3582814

Business Econ. but I think at ASU we dont have the option for government econ. We have Economics at the business school, and economics in the liberal arts department.

You study economics too? Are you in flagstaff right now?

>>3582815

>However, if you insist on being argumentative about it, consider that floating wankbases tend to be much more vulnerable to conventional weapons than giant volcanic mountains.

I agree completely. I was not arguing for seasteads. If you happened to read my posts throughout the thread you would've noticed I'm arguing for the merits of a seafloor colony over one floating on the surface for that reason and numerous others.

>>3582822

I study Econ, but I'm in Scottsdale currently. I chose Gov Econ because I hope to work for the Bureau of Labor or the Fed. But I'm always worried that I'm taking the Econ for professors only and isn't practical. Can't tell now because I'm getting prereqs out of the way.

What I meant by Gov econ is the Social Econ. It's good to hear they have it. But how is business Econ? Could it be applied to government?

>>3582791
Its kind of a compliment when people get mad about a minor mistake, because nobody is going to correct you when your english sucks so much that its obvious you aren't a native speaker.
so thx >>3582766

>>3582773

>I think ultimately we will have both floating cities and underwater cities.

Actually I do agree with this, but they won't be designed like seasteads. You need to have no surface structures whatsoever and have most of the floating platform underwater and vertically oriented in order to successfully endure violent storms. This would result in a structure that is one half seastead, one half undersea colony, like the picture. These would incidentally make excellent ports for submersibles carrying people and goods between a seafloor colony and the surface platform, where ships and helicopters could receive those goods for shipment to the mainland.

>>3582844

What the fuck is government economics? Economics does not change because you now work for a state.

>>3582887
I know right? But apparently there are these two seperate courses? I'm always wondering if I'm choosing the right one.

>>3582844

Thats how I feel. I think, Econ in business is superior to liberal arts econ. I have to take accounting, and finance classes, which is practical in itself. And certainly very practical when it comes to analyzing economic data. Liberals arts econ majors dont have to take any of that.

I would think it could be applied to government as well. But I dont really know what it takes to qualify for government econ jobs.

>>3582869
Would a colony like in your pic be 1 atm all throughout? Or ambient pressure in the deeper levels, with a bunch of airlocks throughout? I'd imagine that, depending on how deep it goes, that a 1 atm structure like that would have to withstand a lot of pressures. And what's the scale on the pic?

>>3582094
>>3582112

It's dangerous and risky, but adventurous and free!

>>3582936
Thanks man.

>>3582981

All designs for permanent colonies I know of are hybrid, with specific sections that need regular access to the sea separated from the rest and pressurized to ambient while the rest are always at 1atm. This permits maintinence workers and others who need to operate in the open ocean outside the colony a large enough section that can be made livable, with modest residential quarters, its own mess hall and so on, permitting teams to carry out extended projects while saturated the way they do today aboard Aquarius. They'd decompress at the end of the job just like Aquarius aquanauts do, except instead of decompressing so they can swim to the surface, they'd be decompressing so that they can return to the much larger 1atm portion of the colony where their homes and families are.

Pic related, a hybrid farming colony design. The yellow habitats are ambient pressure workers' quarters, the white disc is at 1atm and is where anyone whose job doesn't require them to be outside regularly lives.

>>3582094
>>3582112

It's dangerous and risky, but adventurous and free

I think we should build down
Have one country a mile beneath another country.
I'd call it: "Terranon" and it would be an underground wonderland for people with good night vision.

>>3583085

How about we call "TerraAynrandiana"?

No wait..

Subterreneaynradniana

SEALAND STRONG

>>3582981
>what's the scale on the pic?
>doesn't see the obvious marine life in the pic and calculates the scale based on it

fucking retard.

>>3583296
I don't know how long those particular fishes are.
Why so hostile?

>>3583307
I'm not being hostile, i'm just pointing out the truth.

>>3583307

I dont think you are being a retard. I think you had a legitimate question.

>>3583141
WHAT IS THIS?! A SEA-BASE FOR ANTS?!

What about pirates? I'm sure the Somali pirates would love to rob a bunch of mega-rich people who live on houseboats.

>Mfw i am a Libertarian and i think the Seasteading Project is bullshit

>Mfw given that it would be near impossible to have Libertarianism as described by Rothbard (the creators of that are all AnCaps) in a small seasted city where there is no Homesteading and competition is strongly limited by physycal limits, and that it would likely end up in Central Planning, this shit will end up as a Technocrat experiment.
>Mfw /sci/ should be loving this shit

>>3583296
If the fish are an indication of some sort of scale, then those fish are as big as around 15 apartments...

>>3583389
I know, it was a simple troll attempt, but I do think it's somewhat odd that no one realized about the fallacy of my statement, considering the obvious scale irregularities between the animals and the structures.

>>3583388
If there were several floating platforms all offering building space, you could have a decent market. It just can't be a monolithic monopoly.

>>3583387
>>3583387
big yachts have defenses why wouldn't this be any different

>>3583373

Its like 3 inches on my screen! So that means its 3 inches in real life right?

>>3583387
The reason Somalis can attack ocean going ships is that they're barred from carrying weapons. You don't need much to keep them at bay, a few heavy machine guns

have fun libertarians.
the rest of the world will not miss you, and when rapture happens we won't send people to help. Everyone is better off this way I think.

>>3582453
>I have never read Marx.

>>3583806
>I believe in philosophy instead of reality