/sci/ - Science & Math

boy this isn't biased or anything. I'm sure you could edit out some democratic idiotic statements as well.

inb4 u butthurt repubfag?

>>3561658
around the 70's when the christian right became a solid voting block in response to the roe v wade decision

>>3561673

But seriously, the entire pool of republican candidates is literally insane.

>>3561673 same poster

I suppose you never claimed that, but that's obviously what this video is implying

I don't care if either one of these people get elected, I want a new world war that costs millions of lives. Then again, I can say that because there is no way I will ever get drafted due to a few disqualifications, so meh, fight on morons!

>>3561707

>>3561707
>implying you could not somehow get killed in said war

>>3561724
There are lots of shit I could get killed by, so why should this be different?

wtf happened to Palin/Beck 2012?

>>3561658
well that's how the us system works, you can only be president if you have enough money to run for president. It's not about how good of a leader you are it's just how well you sell an image or idea. (and that costs a lot of money)

>>3561734
Well (disqualifications aside), why wouldn't you want to go fight?

Jimmy Carter 2012

Lets do this...

>>3561757

we have the technology...

>>3561753
Because I want to work for or start my own business that makes massive amounts of money selling weapons and soldiers. That wouldn't work very well if I was in some shit hole for other peoples profit.

None of those people are Obama.

>>3561772
Nixon would be considered a socialist pig if he were alive today. Hell, Reagan would be a moderate Democrat into days political terms.

>>3561771

Made me laugh. Also I saved the image. I love Terry Greene.

Looks like Obama will have another landslide victory on his hands.

>>3561857

Not if Rick Perry has anything to say about it.

>>3561872
He won't. The guy is like a Bush caricature come to life and people still hate Bush.

>>3561885

And yet he was elected for two terms. While Obama is turning into Jimmy Carter 2.0. I think we might have a close race on our hands.

Am I the only one who likes Jimmy Carter?

>>3562035

Obama will win by another landslide!

NOT CAUSE HE IS THE BEST PRESIDENT.
*although he may be

NOT EVEN CAUSE HE IS A GOOD PRESIDENT. *not sure if this is true either

NOT EVEN CAUSE HE IS A GOOD ORATOR
*actually Obama can be a fucking great orator

OBAMA WILL WHEN CAUSE HE IS THE BEST CHOICE GIVEN, ALL THE REPUBLICANS ARE LITERALLY BAT-SHIT FUCKING CRAZY (in some way or another).

While an particular republican may not seem so outta whack in there region of the USA, when you actually bring them to the spot-light. THEY ARE FUCKING NUTS!

Perry has no chance of winning Nationally. Texas is fine with Perry, cause Texas is still fine with Bush. However, the Nation fucking hates BUSH. BUSH fucked up our economy.

>>3562083

I like carter. I think he got boned by situations beyond his control. He also inherited America in a cold war period shaped by the failures in Vietnam.

I also like noting that Reagan heldover Paul Volker as treasury secretary; Volker ended stagflation. The economy probably would have turned around even if Carter had won reelection.

>obama
>doesn't even realize the US is 15 trillion in debt
>wants to raise it to over 20 trillion

Yeah... good decision

I knew electing a nigger to office would be a terrible idea, when the US dropped to AA+ and the stock market started shitting itself, he was on vacation, and he STAYED on fucking vacation even after the news for DAYS. lol @ the people who think obama actually gives a shit about helping the country, he only became president so he could go on vacation and collect all those nice benefits

>>3562086

Not sure about that, frank.

RON PAUL 2012

>>3562111

Debt is practically a nonissue. Unemployment is the most important statistic regarding the economy at the moment. And it's really high.

>>3562112
+1

>>3562111
>Obama in 2020

AHAHAHHAHA

>>3562106
Bush also went on vacation. A lot.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/18/bush-spent-487-days-at-ca_n_158902.html

Bush spent 33% of his presidency on vacation. The "nigger" president is not alone in this practice.

>>3562115

Debt factors into the value of our currency, the solvency of country as a whole(even the private sector).

>>3562111
>obama going through to 2020

>>3562112
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H_ki8UPd3M&feature=player_detailpage#t=196s
Ron Paul is a fucking boss.

>>3562106
How much debt we have isn't as important as our ability to pay it off, and the US is still capable of taking on more dept while remaining solvent.

And so what if one of three credit rating agencies bumped down the governments rating by a single notch? These are the same people that gave the worthless mortgage packages that caused the recession a AAA rating. At most it's a bit of an embarrassment. It's the Republican's fault S&P did that in the first place by refusing to compromise anyway.

>>3562115
>debt is a non issue

What do you think caused the US to drop to AA+
What do you think caused the dow jones to crash so hard this week

Debt is a pretty big fucking issue, especially when you have a retard as president who doesn't even realize the country is in debt so hes spending trillions more and not accomplishing anything with it

I will come to your house and cook you dinner!

Really?

The usual phrase is "shake your hand."

>>3562111
>debt
>more important than jobs
>implying that the end off the bush tax cuts wouldn't have made the % smaller

>>3562146
>and the US is still capable of taking on more dept while remaining solvent.

Ok... and? Obama will just keep spending until we get to that point, THEN we will get to panic even more about it

>>3562148
>what do you think caused the US to drop to AA+

The republicans acting like children and the spineless democrats compromising on fucking everything.

>>3562083
Carter was awesome. You can tell the dude really cares about humanity on a personal level.

what exactly did the republicans do to get the credit rating lowered

what did they not compromise on

srs

>>3562161
The dept isn't a spending problem, it's a revenue problem. Republican refusal to allow tax increases of any kind or any stimulus spending to get the economy growing is what's allowing the debt to skyrocket.

>>3562176
>Be republican
>get cuts to spending
>hold the debt ceiling hostage so your corporate masters don't get their tax cuts ended
>succeed
>whine about not getting your way

>>3562176
The democrats basically caved before the republicans even opened their mouths and put all these spending cuts on the table (entitlement programs are the bread and butter of the democrats so this is a big deal.) Republicans still refused.

>>3562184
>dept

now youre just fucking with me

>>3562148
>What do you think caused the US to drop to AA+
S&P already told us why. It's because the Republicans refuse to compromise and are making the government dysfunctional.

>What do you think caused the dow jones to crash so hard this week
Uncertainty due to our dysfunctional government but also with the financial crisis in Europe.

>RICH PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE NO TAXES AND WE SHOULD STOP ALL SPENDING
>EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE HALF THEIR INCOME TAXED AND DOUBLE SPENDING

or you could, you know, do a little of each
god damn politicians
they should have engineers running the government so we would get shit done

>>3562184


It's your perspective that its not a spending problem. You must not have a problem with entitlement spending, war spending, bailout spending, but alot of people do.

>>3562148
>What do you think caused the US to drop to AA+
our government being populated entirely with idiots

>>3562189
Beautiful. Pointing out a spelling/grammar mistake, the last refuge of someone that has no credible arguments left.

lots of silly things and unsubstantial talking points, but nothing to really cry over, OP
left paul out for the most part, too

>>3562159
>obama
>jobs

>>3562170
political gridlock, my friend. republicans were essentially using it to make obama and the dems look bad. however, we seriously need to get our debt under control, or things are going to get much worse financially

>>3562196

They would legalize gay marriage in hours if that happened.

Listen to the political quotes from some of the Republicans.

"We cannot afford four more years of this rudderless leadership." Perry

"We made progress in moving from the back of the pack into a competitive position for the caucuses, but we have a lot more work to do." Pawlenty

What does this even mean? It's just empty words void of any meaning. They aren't proposing anything and they are not saying anything with any intrinsic value.

Also, why are republicans even concerned with social issues right now? That is the least of our worries with the economy the way it is. We should not be concerned with abortion or gay marriage unless it posses any economic problem what so ever.

If you're really bored watch a debate and count how many ad hominems you hear.

Link related, its where I got the quotes.
>http://news.yahoo.com/michele-bachmann-wins-iowa-republican-poll-004004700.html

Bachmann won the poll in Iowa.

>>3562184
you're a fucking idiot if you think spending doesn't matter when applied to debt
and obama got his stimulus, essentially it ended up costing about $278k per job created
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/barackobama-stimulus-jobcreation-costs/2011/07/05/id/402499

>>3562196
We should have a country based on science and engineering. No, we should have a world based on science. We need to redesign this world.

>>3562207
And maybe try to save the world from Climate Change.

But it's never gonna happen.

>>3562223
>on the brink of economic collapse
>still herping and derping about climate change

>>3561658
Holy fuck, "Our liberty comes form our creator".

Well Americans, knowing how fucked up Europe is, I pity you for having to bare this kind of politicians.

>>3562197
I have no problems with entitlement spending. Unlike some people I think it's a good thing we have programs in place to help the elderly, sick, and unemployed.

The only problem I have with the bailouts is that the bank bailouts came with no strings attached. Seriously, fuck the banks for causing the recession in the first place. Their executives should have been forced to crawl on their hands and knees then beg for a bailout while agreeing to have a regulator look over their shoulders every minute of the day from now on.

The war spending is ridiculous. Why are we even still in Afghanistan or Iraq?

>>3562239
>Bachman winning the Iowa straw poll

I'm seriously considering moving to Europe if she wins. I prefer to be in a country with stem cell research, abortions, and a separation between church and state.

>>3562239
>implying our founding fathers did not believe this same exact thing

>>3562249
>implying a good chunk of them weren't deists

>>3562249
>Implying history is all of a sudden an argument.

>>3562207
I don't see the problem here. In fact since marriages cost money the sudden surge in them might help the economy.

>>3562260
He's saying that all engineers are gay.

It's not an actual point.

>>3562260
It would be very miniscule compared to other expenses. The concern isn't about what other people do with their money, it is about getting the government out of debt. That is our first priority.

>>3562233
>has no fucking idea how expensive and damaging climate change is and will be

We can always get a different economy.

Getting a different planet is the hard part faggot.

What pisses me off about the debt is that politicians say they will cut $1-2 trillion by 2020. That's a joke, the interest on the debt will be $1 trillion by 2020 so essentially congress will continue to do nothing.

>>3562277
Becoming energy independent and using renewable resources saves a lot of money.That is, it would be good for the economy to fight climate change.

>>3562242
>I have no problems with entitlement spending
therein lies your problem. the problem isn't the idea of entitlement spending itself, the aim to care for those without the means to care for themselves is no doubt noble. the problem is the current entitlement system is unsustainable, due to the nature of the changing age demographics and the job market's effects upon social security. we'll have to reform that one alone to get our debt under control

>The only problem I have with the bailouts is that the bank bailouts came with no strings attached
tell me, did you hear what our good old friend ben bernanke did while he was running the fed?
http://www.unelected.org/audit-of-the-federal-reserve-reveals-16-trillion-in-secret-bailouts

>The war spending is ridiculous
agreed, especially when we shouldn't have invaded in the first place. it was fiscally unsound to invade without raising revenue in some form to fund it

>>3562288
Aye.

Also investing in clean enrgy like solar and wind will create jobs.

>>3562277
>We can always get a different economy
out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?
do you hang out in your parent's basement all day eating hot pockets?

Holy shit.

How does it feel to know that you are literally holding civilization back, republicans? You are the cancer that is killing this world.

>>3562304

While all the left countries are swimming in debt.

I mean really, is that any better?

America. Stop it.

Ron Paul or we fall.
Just like ancient Rome.

>>3562310
The interesting part of this is that every fucking developed country seems to be swimming in debt, I'm yet to understand who do we owe so much money to?

>>3562325

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5QwKEwo4Bc&feature=mh_lolz&list=FLXXlBXkt6y-E

>>3562301
Scientific research and engineering are some of the biggest job creators in the world. Why not have a government based on that?

>>3562325
the congo

>>3562325
Ourselves. Only about 30% of our debt is owed to other nations.

ITT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S34zC9ssZP4&feature=related

>>3562329
Conservatives reject intellectualism in all it's forms. The only exception they make is military R&D.

>>3562331
If that's so, why don't we say: "Fuck everything" and start form 0, trying to do things right, not spending more than we generate?

If fucking Dubya could get reelected, Obama is for sure in for a second term, hell he could pull a Wallace and have Michelle for a 3rd and 4th.

>>3562337
Because that means pulling the rug out from under most of the government.

>>3562336
Practically everyone realizes that we are crashing. People are beginning to realize that what is needed is a complete redesign of the status quo. The problem is no one is stepping up to start something. IMO something big is needed and it is highly possible to start something big in the coming few years.

>>3562336
all respectable intellectuals are conservatives, you fucking retard.

>>3562353
I see nothing wrong with that.

Our government is financed by companies, until they pay their own bills, I don't give a fuck about thir plans.

>>3562362
*As government I meant political parties.

>>3562361
>mfw this is one the dumbest posts on this thread
>mfw the stupidity melted off my face

>>3562377
>mfw you are a delusional libtard

>>3562248
Ron Paul got second place by less than a percentage point in the Iowa poll.

>>3562383
>being a delusional conservative

>>3562303
>projecting
>still doesn't know how much damage climkate change will do to the economy

>>3562336
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Q8UvJ1wvk
How pissed are you that you bought into that shit?

>>3562361

Respectable conservatives who are ALSO intellectuals?

Of the ones I can think of who are still alive, only Jim Manzi comes to mind. He's more of a social scientist than an ivory tower thinker. Maybe Leo Strauss and Allan Bloom if we're talking 20th century dead guys.

>>3562431
Check the youtube video right above you.

>>3562248
cant seperate what isnt there

>>3562424
Since everyone here claims to go to an ivy league and is actively involved in research, any rebuttals to NDT?

>>3562196
>>3562219
>>3562223

I want engineers doing what they do best: engineering. I would love for scientists to be getting what they want from our politicians, I just don't want think they could do anything differently. What are they gonna do to fix the economy? Build an agreement machine? Or a utility accelerator? Economists on the other hand...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzVxHF8T0Hk&feature=related

Unrelated, yet I MAD

>>3562484
>implying economists are more useful than scientists and engineers in any area, especially economics

Why don't we just put edgy teenage athiest libertarians in charge of the economy? They seem to have it all figured out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAxIiG_ugRw&feature=relmfu

>>3562568

>implying economists are more useful than scientists and engineers in any area, especially economics

I was kidding about the economists part at the end, but I forgot how hard it is to convey sarcasm over the internet.

However, I do have two issues

>implying economists are more useful than scientists and engineers in any area, especially economics
>economists more useful
>especially economics
>especially economics

Really? And I thought /sci/ was the smart board.

Also
>edgy teenage athiest libertarians
>implying that we wouldn't want Alan Greenspan, Milton Friedman, John Maynard Kaynes, von Mises, and Hayek debating economics in Congress for the good of the world instead.

>>3562111
>extrapolating

Yeah Carter was a good guy.

Volker ran the fed for a solid period. Seems like he did a good job.

>>3562242
>implying regulation is better than collective risk as demonstrated in nordic economies

Ron Paul +2

I think he's a bit radical, but most of his most radical ideas would never get passed.

Vote rick Parry 2012, the A is for America

>>3562730

"Rick Perry" spelt AAAA AAAAA

>The As are for America

The party of anti-science and pro-religion is somehow retarded?

I am surprised I tell you, surprised.

Though democrats are pretty retarded too policy-wise but they are culturally more intelligent.

>>3562765

Weird that the anit-science party spends more on science. Wouldn't life be great if politics were really that cut and dry.

>>3562867
They're only interested in making a better weapon. They're spending on the military, not science.

>>3562765
fear of other cultures does not equal or translate into cultural intelligence

>>3562878

That really depends on the culture in question.

Fun fact:

31% of congress is made up of lawyers.

Lawyers do have expertise in economics or businesses. They have experience in manipulation, lying, and law. Yet people still elect lawyers to congress hoping to fix an economic problem. The few things lawyers know how to do is how to draw attention away from negative aspects of their career and tell lies on how they are going to fix problems in the United States.

Good fucking god, more lawyers won't fix the fucking problem, businessmen with economist advisers will from both sides of the spectrum will.

You do realize that congress is first and foremost a LEGISLATIVE body right? Its job is to make LAW. Hence it is composed of many LAWYERS. Am I going to fast for you?

>>3563045
I'm surprised that percentage is so low.

>>3563050
A lawyers job isn't to write laws. It's not even to interpret laws. It's to make arguments based on currently existing laws and how a judge has interpreted them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H_ki8UPd3M

>Implying this isn't your next president

Deal with it liberals

>>3561678

No it wasn't because of that it was because the left was becoming too extreme Jimmy Carter was a Europe-style liberal and America does not want that type of leadership

>>3561707
I want every human being to die.
Oh the perfection of nothing.

> business owners
> economists
> "advisors"

> fixing the economy they fucked up and rigged for themselves

My fucking face when i think i'm the only person on the entire planet who'd hire a math expert /accountant expert to handle the "where the fuck is my money going?" question.

IOWA STRAW POLL
16,892 total

Bachmann 4,823

Paul: 4671

Pawlenty: 2293

Santorum: 1657

Cain: 1456

Perry: 718

Romney: 567

Gingrich: 385

Huntsman: 69

McCotter: 35

Scattering: 162

>>3563089
>mfw ron paul can't even beat fucking bachman

You might actually get some world peace going if Bachman gets elected.

See, even with all the weapons, USA isn't very scary.

But if Bachman becomes the next figurehead, you could just drop fliers with her face on them into hostile countries, with the local-language text
"Behave or she will eat your babies, rape the men and kill the women."

Because that face just simply shrieks that she probably does just that for breakfast.

I mean seriously, what's with the US female presidential advocates?

Do you just take the genetic material from fifty of the most evil people in history, mix it up, cull the boys and leave the girls into a cave system to feed off each other until the strongest one emerges, totally batshit insane and eyes dilated from here to Jupiter to see in the darkness?

>>3563091

>>3563086

Isn't that what an economist is? Something in between a Mathematician and an Accountant?

>>3563096
Is he wearing sneakers? Classy.

>>3563097

Not really. First of all economics is in at least a little way a science. Accounting is just the practice and procedure of keeping track of money.

>>3563086

I agree.

>>3563089

Oh no.

>>3563104

Could you elaborate a bit more on economists and what they do?

>>3563111
They apply SWAG.

How is it...

That people even try to blame the economic crisis on Obama...

When he inherited it from G.W. Bush???

Do they just pretend that 8 years, 2 wars, the housing collapse, and bailout of the auto-indutries never happened?

>>3563121
I think they do. Republicans also blame him for the economy not improving even they're the ones that tried to limit any stimulus as much as they could.

Ron Paul

>>3562148
>What do you think caused the US to drop to AA+

>>3563111

Yeah, Ill try. Its a bit difficult drawing the boundaries between all these business majors.

Its very much a practical major though. If I were to describe it I would say its about achieving optimality among people. In that if you have people, with different preferences and you have finite resources, how do you make the most of the circumstance. So as a science its very much about studying human behavior, and by extension studying markets in which people exchange. On the practical side its about making businesses more efficient at what they do.

There is no particular occupation economists occupy, although you can become a professional economist at various financial institutions. But everything about business rests on a foundation of economics. In the government its important for policy makers to understand economics, so economists often have opportunities in government.

>>3563121

Well he did approve various bail outs and stimuli. Which was a lot of money.

Vote Ron Paul or America as we know it will die.

4chan fucked my pic

>>3563193
Oh how I wish. America as we know it has become horrible.

I say we all just wait around for Nature to get tired of us and, in the words of the late great George Carlin, 'Shake us off like a bad case of fleas'. Fuck the politicians and all that, they're all stupid fucks who want to stay in control (And for the sake of evidence, how about SUPER CONGRESS?)

>ww3
>were not all dead

>credit rating should mean something

Do people think Bush and Obama are different?

Both supported Patriot Act and the wars, I mean those are the reasons people hated Bush

>>3563314
Bush is white. Obama is black. They're completely different.

>>3563326
1/2 black

Wasn't it figure he's related to Bush or Cheney?