/sci/ - Science & Math

In before libertarianism.

Or we could just hijack an uninhabited island in the Philippines, it's not like anyone will notice. The occasional hurricane wouldn't be so bad and we could always tunnel underground. Better than being potentially crushed in the oceanic depths if something goes wrong with the habitat.

>>3551178

>Better than being potentially crushed in the oceanic depths if something goes wrong with the habitat.

......Crushed by what? These are ambient pressure. There's no pressure differential between the inside and outside. And they'd only be 100 feet deep.

Here, I think communism could work.

Seems interesting, but for the sake of efficiency, could you make bigger units?

Like for example pic related?

If so, this would help with larger projects and possibly act as kind of community hubs.

>>3551122

The only way I think it would be effective is if we could interact with the underwater landscape without in a air medium.

Heres an image of what im talking about

>>3551207

>Seems interesting, but for the sake of efficiency, could you make bigger units?

I can't, no. Not my design, not my company, not my call. The reason they are that size is because they are designed to be movable by boat trailer, and deployed via boat ramp. A huge chunk of the cost of an underwater habitat is simply moving it from where it is built to the coast and deploying it as they weigh many tons, which they need to in order to stay underwater in spite of being full of air. This means large habitats require hefty cranes, rail transport and A-frame barges.

They are pretty much the biggest they can be while at the same time being deployable and transportable using cheap equipment meant for boats.

They are more spacious than they look though, pic related.

>>3551213

>The only way I think it would be effective is if we could interact with the underwater landscape without in a air medium.

I think we'd want someplace dry and outfitted with real amenities (kitchenette, bathroom, entertainment console) to sleep and eat it. But yes some type of inflatable dome wherever we need direct access to the seafloor while working (like if we farmed seaweed or something) makes sense. For this we could use inflatable partial habitats like the one in the picture.

>>3551213

>The only way I think it would be effective is if we could interact with the underwater landscape without in a air medium.

I think we'd want someplace dry and outfitted with real amenities (kitchenette, bathroom, entertainment console) to sleep and eat in. But yes some type of inflatable dome wherever we need direct access to the seafloor while working (like if we farmed seaweed or something) makes sense. For this we could use inflatable partial habitats like the one in the picture.

Living underwater for extended periods of time would suck. Lets just conquer France instead. It's not like they'll resist.

>>3551251

>Living underwater for extended periods of time would suck.

This really repulses you?

This sounds amazing.

I would join the shit out of this community.

I love the idea of living underwater.
However, being trapped anywhere scares the shit out of me, so I'd probably lose my mind being trapped under thousands of litres of water.
Especially since going out for a swim could result in me being crushed to death

How do you get between the buildings?

>>3551262
you won't be to go outside often, can you?

>>3551262
After a few weeks that would become dull and depressing as hell.

>>3551251

I'm not big on getting wet either. France sounds nice, rent a large warehouse, dirty ourselves up and claim we are roma. That way we get to pay minimal taxes, a single sum for the entire community at most and we won't have to endure government interference.

Fuck living under water or crap.
This is /sci/!
Lets live in Space.

>>3551295
Agreed.
Space is way cooler.

>>3551279

>Especially since going out for a swim could result in me being crushed to death

...It wouldn't, though. These have no airlock. They are not at surface pressure, they are at the same pressure as the outside water and they are open to water at all times via an open hatch in the floor called a moon pool. You can dive out and re-enter freely.

>How do you get between the buildings?

You pop one of these in your mouth (see pic) and swim.

What if Allah-u-Akbar happens? Or someone gets really sick?

Sure it ain't one of those lah-di-dah above ground houses, but if you like dank... forget about it.

>>3551311
So, if we ever run out of air, we'll be stuck having the bends once we reach the surface in the middle of the ocean somewhere, at which point we drown.

I'm not liking it.

>>3551225

But wouldn't a lego like system work here? I mean, they also do this with the space shuttle allowing for very long term expansion.

Also; I had a question in the previous thread about the potentional of lakes. While settling in Lake Victoria might cause some border problems, I think the evoirnment would be superior there (Fresh water, less trouble with storms etc).

>>3551330

ISS, NOT SPACE SHUTTLE FUCK ME

>>3551295

>Lets live in Space.

You can't.

>Space is way cooler.

It definitely is cool, but you can't live there. It's way beyond an ordinary person's finances. The ocean is now open to us only because the technology necessary to reside within it has matured and dropped in price over the past fifty years, and all the requisite technologies can be bought off the shelf from wal mart or home depot. It will be a very long time before space is that accessible to the common man.

Besides, you're talking about living in a cold, radiation blasted vacuum. Or if on the moon/mars, a cold, radiation blasted desert. You have ample solar energy (although on the moon the nights last many weeks) but no local source of food, or air. In the ocean you're surrounded by free food and oxygenated water from which you can make air.

Seriously, compare the two scenes in the picture. Once the novelty of both wore off, which place would you be happier living for the rest of your life?

>>3551225
I expect if the need arises, there's a wide-enough base of different fields represented in /sci/ that such a modification could be done.

But do the modules have hatches between them?

If not, we would need to design and build some for the larger units.

Have you got the website for the company that makes these habitats? Or atleast the name?

>>3551328

>So, if we ever run out of air, we'll be stuck having the bends once we reach the surface in the middle of the ocean somewhere, at which point we drown.

This is why you take two. They're small, it's not a hassle to have a personal backup on you at all times. They have pressure gauges on them, it's not like you can't tell how full they are.

>But wouldn't a lego like system work here? I mean, they also do this with the space shuttle allowing for very long term expansion.

That's already how they are assembled. Each of those clusters is comprised of 4 individually sold residential pods plus a hub connector.

>Also; I had a question in the previous thread about the potentional of lakes. While settling in Lake Victoria might cause some border problems, I think the evoirnment would be superior there (Fresh water, less trouble with storms etc).

If you're going to be spending a lot of time in the water, you want to be someplace at or near the equator. Tropical ocean temperatures hover around 85 during nice weather.

Part of the disconnect here is that some are imagining this as a housing complex that happens to be underwater. Anyone who lived here would have to instead consider the area outside of the pods their real home, and the pods as a means to an end for sleeping, eating, storing their stuff, etc. You would have to be the sort of person who really wants to be a resident of the ocean and who enjoys being in it much of the time.

Scientist, I love your ideas and projects, though some may seem slightly frivolous and drawn out (see hamster project), but you highly overestimate /sci/'s capability. Maybe in years to come a strong community of actual science enthusiasts with monetary means to do something like this will happen, but for now it is not likely. This is a large community of high school students and early college students who are dreaming of things like this and have no wish to accomplish them. I love your idea though and if I weren't part of the aforementioned early college community I would happily join.

Welcome to Rapture

>>3551374

inb4 splicers and big daddies all over the place

>>3551367

>Have you got the website for the company that makes these habitats? Or atleast the name?

The Atlantica Expeditions.
www.underseacolony.com

Two of these residential habitats exist right now. They are not for sale. The partial cluster (2 pods instead of 4) will be demonstrated in 2012. 150 people, including myself, will spend 24 hours each aboard this 4 man habitat cluster performing an experiment of our own design. This event is intended to raise awareness and attract investors to fund the mass production of these habitats for diving clubs, marine biology departments at universities, ocean enthusiasts and so on.

>>3551122
I want this to happen so badly.
But maybe if it was comprised of a much larger populace, maybe around 1000 people who are considered worthy of this venture.
By worthy I don't mean White, IQ 140+, 6 foot and higher, I mean actually having the drive and dedication to make the idea work.
Of course being physically able and intelligent would be nice bonuses to add to the population.

Couldn't we just build a community in an isolated mountain range instead? It would be cheaper and there would be sledding in the winter.

Are we allowed to keep hamsters
:3

I'd walk through hell and back for anyone who takes the plunge and starts a project like this. I'm just a 18 year old undergrad but I know I can be of some help. And also there would be very little I would be coming back if to should it fail so I would care for the project like my babby.

>>3551369

>That's already how they are assembled. Each of those clusters is comprised of 4 individually sold residential pods plus a hub connector.

While I realize it ain't your call, I do not see a reason why it isn't possible to construct many modules and build a single central "base" other then the fact that it might be too dangerous to have such a massive construct on an "unfixed" position.

>Part of the disconnect here is that some are imagining this as a housing complex that happens to be underwater. Anyone who lived here would have to instead consider the area outside of the pods their real home, and the pods as a means to an end for sleeping, eating, storing their stuff, etc. You would have to be the sort of person who really wants to be a resident of the ocean and who enjoys being in it much of the time.

Sure, but getting "clean water" from the ocean would be much harder then getting it from a freshwater source, and I think it would be best to keep our power usage as low as possible.

Talking about electricity, how do you plan to generate sufficient power for the community?

>>3551477

Batteries
Solar panels
Biofuels
Bicycles?

Sewage and electrical grid? And most important telecommunications? How am I gonna meet woman without /sci/?

>>3551446

Invariably, someone owns the land. The harsh weather, thermal extremes and scarcity of animals would make life difficult there.

As counterintuitive as it may seem, living in the sea is in many ways easier than living on land. Trapping has a higher yield by far due to greater density of biomass and the tendency of sea creatures to be attracted to and attempt to hide in manmade structures. being immersed in water means insulation from harsh weather like storms, and at the equator the temperature in the water stays reliably within our comfort zone pretty much at all times.

>>3551450

Yes. :3

>>3551420

I'm conservative when it comes to estimating how many people that A. can afford their own habitat, B. sincerely want to live in the ocean, C. would follow through on a committment like this, and D. have employment that would permit them to telecommute. That subset of the population is probably fairly small. Larger than 56 people probably, but we're talking about a subset of /sci/ meeting those criteria.

>>3551486

Wut, I was more thinking about using the oceanic currents to generate power.

Batteries, well eh.. Solar fuel? That would require a surfaced platform. Biofuel could be an option if we went for extremely intensive seaweed farming, but does not sound like a cost-efficient way to me and bicycles... I doubt we would get enough energy out of those unless we were on them 24/7

>>3551477

>Talking about electricity, how do you plan to generate sufficient power for the community?

The habitat comes with an amphibious buoy. The buoy contains ballast tanks that are remotely controlled so that when a storm approaches you can signal it to descend to the bottom (during which time the habitat uses reserve air tanks and battery power.)

The buoy also contains triply redundant air compressors and an array of solar panels on top. These run the compressors intermittently, which charge the batteries and top up the reserve air tanks, so as to feed air into the habitat at only the rate necessary to support the intended number of occupants. This is as opposed to past methods which had the compressors running 24/7, very wastefully, for lack of better ideas.

In this manner each habitat completely supports itself and does not rely on any centralized source of power and air. If one habitat's systems fail, the others in the cluster will be sufficient to keep the air fresh enough anyway, although the CO2 concentrations will be a little higher than recommended.

There is only one problem with this idea and that is we are all human. Eventually, assuming we cut our selves off from the world some prick would want power supreme over the rest of us, such is the human way.

>>3551514

>That would require a surfaced platform.

Yes, precisely. See the umbilicals in the picture? They go up to surface buoys that pump down air and collect solar energy.

The technology does exist for habitats with no surface component, but not at a pricepoint that the average person can manage.

>>3551498
If it's just other /sci/entists who would be a part of this then I agree with you that there aren't going to be that many who will be able to meet all the criteria to support and take part in the venture.
Expanding it to "outsiders" would be a good move to help things along, in both funds and manpower.
One question.
After how long would such a project become self-sufficient from the surface, as in, not needing to purchase resources from the land-dwellers?

So we can get a whole lot of resources just from farming algae.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algae#Uses

But what about metals and such?
Nodules are too deep to get at easily and distilling metals from seawater might be a bit too low-intensity.

And power?
If there are persistent currents we could put up some turbines.
If not, that would leave geothermal, wave, wind, solar or mains. But I doubt anyone into this would want to be dependent on power supplied by landlubbers?

One interesting possibility would be a small nuclear reactor in the ten to fifty megawatt range, though some will of course want to steer cleat of that.

>>3551536

>Expanding it to "outsiders" would be a good move to help things along, in both funds and manpower.

Anyone will be able to buy the habitats. But they would probably not all put them in the same place. If you wanted a proper community you'd need to organize with other habitat owners and agree on a location.

>After how long would such a project become self-sufficient from the surface, as in, not needing to purchase resources from the land-dwellers?

Never. Not designed for it. The technology necessary for that would greatly inflate cost.

If you're content with owning nothing but what you set out with, eating seafood you catch in traps every day and generally being a bum, you'd be self sufficient with what comes with the habitat package. It produces its own electricity, desalinates the water and so on, and the land/food is free. But if you want a higher standard of living than a surf bum you'd still need to take a boat to shore periodically for groceries and whatnot.

>>3551540

>One interesting possibility would be a small nuclear reactor in the ten to fifty megawatt range, though some will of course want to steer cleat of that.

Subsea reactors are actually in the works as we speak (pic related) due to the benefits of being immersed in coolant, in a location terrorists aren't equipped to reach and there being no regulations/a legal grey area when it comes to industrializing the sea.

However, for it to be worth the utility company's money to put a reactor where we'd all live, there would need to be enough of us to sell their power to. Nuclear reactors power a shitload of homes. We'd need the equivalent of a large city's population living underwater before the business case would make sense for the power company.

I am well suited for this and eager to get something going.

AIM is dogisonlyfriend

>>3551559

>I am well suited for this and eager to get something going.

Just bookmark the site and keep your eye on the news in 2012. Once the proof of concept mission is done there should be plenty of news stories about it followed by investment followed by mass production. A year or two later you should be able to buy your habitat.

Unfortunately I too am in that early college audience, so I can't even begin to think of funding an endeavor such as this. Even supposing that I could, how would we be expected to sustain ourselves in that environment? How would money/employment be handled, considering that this were a permanent residence?

>>3551546
Surely living as a sea-bum would act as a selection pressure and allow for natural selection to swing into action, producing a sub-species of human adapted for underwater life over the course of many generations?

>>3551574

>Even supposing that I could, how would we be expected to sustain ourselves in that environment?

Solar buoys provide electricity, traps mounted to the exterior of the habitats provide food. Watch videos of the Aquarius undersea lab sometime, it's always swarming with fish because every manmade object we put underwater acts as an artificial reef, attracting reef species looking for nooks and crannies to hide in.

>How would money/employment be handled, considering that this were a permanent residence?

Telecommuting.

>>3551575

They would be highly reclusive, threatening the world with home-made nukes. Eventually, when the singularity came, they would form a brain-scan suicide cult and form a hivemind.

Sound cool! This might be a nice place to live in one day.

What would we do though? Under sea? How would we get food? What would we do with our waste?

If we have money it should be a new currency called "Sea Bucks" and it would be a standard like the gold standard. But instead it will be a fish strandard. Where one Sea Buck = a piece of salmon.

>>3551575

>Surely living as a sea-bum would act as a selection pressure and allow for natural selection to swing into action, producing a sub-species of human adapted for underwater life over the course of many generations?

That has already happened elsewhere in the world. BBC's "Human Planet" (the ocean episode) talks about a tribe in the tropics that has lived out to sea on large wooden platforms for their entire recorded history. They go to shore only to get their boats fixed and sell their harvest. Their bodies have adapted to become negatively buoyant and their can hold their breath for 5 minutes. (their main source of sustenance are fish that they hunt by freediving to the bottom and then spearing as much as they can on one breath.) Their eyes also focus better underwater than in air apparently, which makes sense as underwater visual acuity is more relevant to their survival than abovewater acuity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgRpwESWPLM

>>3551590

>What would we do though? Under sea?

Same thing you normally do on a tropical vacation. Scuba dive, spearfish, surf, etc. We could cultivate coral gardens, do amateur oceanic science, hang out with dolphin bros, etc.

>How would we get food? What would we do with our waste?

I covered how we'd get food already. We're surrounded by it; the habitats act as artificial reefs, attracting huge populations of reef organisms. A few traps affixed to the exterior would suffice. As for waste, there's a particular species of fish that hangs around the Aquarius that normally bottom feeds on the waste of other fish. Aquanauts do their business outside and it's gone in minutes. Those fish can't get enough of it. Gross, but useful.

>>3551597

And when humanity eventually moves into space our currency will be called Starbucks.

>>3551615
And it still won't be able to make a proper espresso.

>>3551600
Recruit them for the cause.
A society is only as healthy as it's gene pool.

>>3551615

What will one starbuck represent? A cubic meter of outer space? An entire star?

>>3551626

a cup of coffee?

>>3551615
One Starbuck = One star? I hope not

>>3551597
Actually, I think that instead of the gold standard we should have a goldFISH standard

Well, there'd have to be some labs, some way to get the tools and tech down there, and at least a shared cafeteria.

I'm fine with a technocratic government.

>>3551643

ITS BRILLIANT

I can imagine in the future

HEADLINE: Goldfish craze sweeps globe!
SUBHEADLINE: Seatown economy skyrockets!

On a related note, dried fish was currency in iceland for a long time.

>>3551680
Yeah, and Iceland defaulted recently. Coincidence? I think not.


We'll only use fresh fish.

>>3551692

>mfw

so is there a way so have some intimacy? can we chat up while underwater?

and more importantly, how do we fix the unavoidable lack of ladies?

>>3551705
We fuck dolphins. Clear enough

I know we are surrounded by food. But we cant survive on seafood alone can we?

Perhaps we would need some gardening or farming module?

How independent would an undersea community be? For instance, what if we wanted to expand in size. Wouldnt we need to go back onto land to construct a module?

>>3551716

dolphins are too fast to abuse of


and dang i already have enough troubles seducing women from my species

>>3551728

We could always farm algae. Specifically the Spirulina which was studied by NASA as a potential general-purpose food on long-duration space missions.

>Anyway, Spirulina is apparently almost the perfect food, nutritional wise. A pity it tastes like green slime (though Savage maintains that genetic engineering can change the flavor). Spirulina is highly digestible since it contains no cellulose. It is 65% protein by weight and contains all eight essential amino acids in quantities equivalent to meat and milk. It also has almost all the vitamins, with the glaring exception of vitamin C (I guess rocketmen will become "limeys" again). It is also a little sparse on carbohydrates. Savage calculates that it will be possible to achieve production rates of 100 grams (dry weight) of algae per liter of water per day. It breaks down 6 liters of algae water per person, supplying both food and oxygen, while consuming sunlight (or grow-lights), CO2 and sewage. 6 liters of algae water will produce 600 grams of "food" (540 grams is 2500 calories, an average daily food requirement), 600 liters of oxygen, and consume 720 liters of CO2 and an unspecified amount of nutrient salts extracted from sewage. Since food is generally 75% water, 600 grams of dry food will convert into about 2.4 kg of moist food, which compares favorably with the 2.3 kg on the USS Wyoming.

http://projectrho.com/rocket/lifesupport.php

Mad Scientist, that's your solution to everything: to move under the sea. It's not going to happen!

>>3551747

Mad Scientist, would such a community rely on surface air? Or is it feasible to have those algae supply air?

Also it should be called Aynrandia

>>3551747
>20 years from now
"Buy some algae-brand algae today! Comes in flavors like: Chicken, Beef, Soda, Cake, Pasta, Apple, and little girl pussy"

>>3551756

Says who? Let the man have his dreams.

>>3551556
>We'd need the equivalent of a large city's population living underwater before the business case would make sense for the power company.
Just thinking ahead.
Everything I post is under the assumption that the colony becomes, if not self-sufficient, at least net exporter with a large economic return and prospects for expansion. With a timetable of a couple of decades.

One possibility that I could think of would be situating the colony at Hawaii, putting down some undersea cable and harvesting manganese nodules by telepresence.

What would we do about supplying oxygen/oxygen tanks? How far underwater would we be? What would we do about the internet/wifi (with the obvious lack of girls at the beginning, we'll need porn)?

These questions need answering!

>>3551815
before we leave, we kidnap some girls, and our currency should be based on women.
1 sea buck = 1 woman

>>3551815
>oxygen
possible solutions include electrolysis, umbilical surface access and farming algae

>how deep
100 feet, 30 meters

>girls
do exist on the internets, this isn't /b/

>internet
Close to civilization, cable. Away from civilization, satellite connection.

>>3551815

I think it'd be possible to set up communications towers/dishes on the surface, and them to the modules with regular network cable. The internet relies on a large number of undersea cables, and I don't see any reason it wouldn't be able to scale down. It'd be slow and intermittent, but still, if you need porn that much save some locally.

>>3551866
>umbilical surface access
Seems like the best idea. We could have cables of air connecting to our home units. if they break/get cut by boats, there can be some sort of emergency cut off/seal. Algae farming is useful too.

>girls exist on the web
I know that. But there probably won't be many under there with us, not with a 56 person limit. Unless you do 28 of each sex or something.

>>3551243
>>3551243
say i wanted to build a bubble room somewhere in the florida keys 10-15feet under

how big could a bubbleroom potentially be made with the same materials?

>>3552052

The subaqua company will build you a bubble room to spec. Just email them with the size you want and ask for a price quote. As long as you don't want anything crazy (Like one large enough to stand up out of the water in) they'll build you one to order.

http://subaqua.alldaydrive.com/

>>3551881

>Seems like the best idea.

Such a good idea, it's already in the OP image.

>>3552114

so diy building a 8' by 16' x 5' bubbleroom would be pretty hard to build im guessing

>>3552325

You'd just scale up the steel ring and use more sheet vectran. The main problem is the amount of buoyant force. It adds up very quickly and will require several tons of weight to keep the bubble underwater for any useful size.

How reliable is a bubble room? For instance, would it be safe to build an enormous one with an algae air supply, and no have to worry about it breaking at some point.

>>3552437

Very reliable, hypothetically. It's never been tried for longterm habitation. The primary downside is that because the entire bottom is open to water it gets very humid inside. It's only really tolerable if you're swimming any way and therefore don't mind staying wet. You'd need a serious redesign with a floor and small sealable hatch plus a dehumidifier to make the interior of a large bubble room comfortable.

question - why?

what happens when the power goes out?

Aren't you going to need women? That might not go over too well with /sci/ (or the women, for that matter)

>>3551556
>
>Subsea reactors are actually in the works as we speak (pic related) due to the benefits of being immersed in coolant, in a location terrorists aren't equipped to reach and there being no regulations/a legal grey area when it comes to industrializing the sea

As someone who is working with underwater reactors... lets just say you have no idea the work you have to put into a submarine reactor to prevent accidents. The soviets didn't and they lost massive ammounts of submarines due to reactor accidents. Don't fuck around with nuclear energy that way.

(also the need for absurd uranium but that's a whole nother ball of wax)

>>3552568

>what happens when the power goes out?

The habitat runs on battery power and reserve air from the backup tanks.

>>3552553

>question - why?

Some people think the underwater world is beautiful and really enjoy activities like scuba diving, surfing and so on enough to live in the ocean fulltime. There is no practical need for it, just like there was no practical need to develop Hawaii.

>>3552573

>Aren't you going to need women? That might not go over too well with /sci/ (or the women, for that matter)

I imagine there's a subset of women to whom the idea powerfully appeals. As this will be the first and for a time the only undersea community in the world, the ones with enough motivation and money will seek us out and apply to live there.

>>3552596
Also
>implying that tropical plantations aren't practical
>implying that a key island with potential control over the Pacific isn't practical.

>>3552586
Aren't you the guy who at least twice previously confused liquid-metal reactors with navy submarine reactors?

>>3552631
Damn straight, because apparently liquid metal reactors are "Never going to be used here", but my points are still valid, the soviet accidents being proof of the sheer power of atomic energy, and what happens when you do not have 100% reliability in your plant operations.

>>3552672

I think if an undersea base was going to use a reactor, it would use one of those miniature ones they plan to bury underground anyway. but I agree that they probably wouldn't be needed.

>>3552672
>soviet accidents being proof of the sheer power of atomic energy
How so?
More like they are proof of how:
a.) ignorant operators being ordered around by ignorant bosses...
b.) leaving equipment lying under the weather without maintenance...
...leads to bad shit.

Of course anyone with half a brain knew that without proof.

>>3552716
Yes, but conventional turbines usually don't go BOOM and leave a site contaminated for millions of years. I have a respect for the atom, which if you don't, and you plan to even think about using atomic energy, should make you think again.

>>3552706
You could always attempt to re-engineer the old Natulus reactor, though modern technology has slimmed reactor cores down drastically.

>>3551122
Undersea? Why not 'over'?

http://www.google.com/search?q=seasteading

>>3552748

>Undersea? Why not 'over'?

Storms and tsunamis.

>>3551122
Undersea? Why not 'over'sea? That would be simpler

http://www.google.com/search?q=seasteading

Shallow water is for casualfags, Deep sea master race reporting.

>>3552785

You posted this already. I answered here: >>3552766

>>3552806

>Undersea transhumans
>all neurotic misanthropes with criminal history
>Sounds about right

It would take a pretty maladjusted person to live fulltime at those depths. There's nothing pretty to look at, just perpetual darkness, silence, the endless desert of the abyssal plain and horrifying deep sea creatures.

It is fascinating to visit but I would not want to live there.

>>3551206
>hi, welcome to the collective. everything that was yours is now ours. WHAT, DUDE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SHARE, NOW GIVE IT!

fuck that. much as i would love to work with selfless, cooperative people, somehow i can't help imagining that lazy, bumfuck hippies or other opportunists would take over the place.

we need a place where we can use guns.

>>3552815
how deep would you have to be to be protected from large hurricanes?

if we do do this, the first thing we should do is clone a human simply because we aren't under any nations jurisdiction. After that, do what ever else that isn't allowed in nations. I could just imagine an actual place that exists like that, no laws, nothing. If one were to make such a place, there would be so much profit

>>3552838

For total protection, 200 feet. But you can be as shallow as 30 feet and still feel significantly reduced effects. The Aquarius is in only 60 feet of water and has been passed over by multiple hurricanes without incident. This community would be at 100 feet, as any deeper than 115 and you need to add helium to the air supply, which would add considerably to the overhead expenses.

What's to stop a person from coming over and stealing my fish?

>>3552766
One wouldn't have to live in an area where storm's/tsunami's are common. For storms that do come, persevering through them is not impossible.

>>3552851

>What's to stop a person from coming over and stealing my fish?

Why would they steal yours when they have an equally plentiful supply?

>>3552862

Greed, the bane of any society.

>>3552877
>>3552877
if you've ever done ocean reef or just ocean fishing you'd understand how many fish are down there

>>3552894

Nonetheless it's easy to overfish since reef species typically stick to the same reef their whole lives and the reefs attract organisms from elsewhere very slowly, so it is in fact possible to deplete them over just a few years if you're going for profits above all else. That's what happened in the south pacific, where divers breathing from tubes clenched in their teeth attached to a gas powered air compressor on a ffishing boat above must descend 100 feet down to get at the ecosystems they haven't depleted yet (the shallow water species having been fished into oblivion years ago.)

It would need to be implicitly understood that you take from the trap each day only what you intend to eat and release the rest.

>>3552739
>BOOM
Which is why people are trying to get newer, safer reactors into production to replace the fifty year old designs.

>This thread
>Rapture jokes almost immediately

Hurr hurr. I guess that's to be expected though.

I could see this working but only on a vacation level... like a timeshare for like minded people, separate colonies for separate interests, you can book a week or 2 in every interest depending on what your into ATM. it would be like socialized college in a stress free environment.

>>3553547
Do remember that OP himself named his undersea hamster base "Hampture", Hamster+ Rapture.

How light is it like 40 ft down? Enough to see all the pretty fishes quite well? I don't know how you'll express how light it is, maybe a time of day at the equinox at say 45 deg N?

>>3553962
He named the Hamsters Nomtaine, Hamdrew Ryan, and Ratlus as well. The Rapture references are to be expected.
(Megafucker Supreme was the first hamsternaut if I recall, but it doesn't quite fit the theme)

If the colony goes majority solar at some point, I could imagine people taking breaks to go to the floating powerstations to tan a little after all that time underwater.

>>3553965
Pretty damn light. Of course depending on water clarity.

For example, these pictures were taken at the depth of thirty meters. The projected depth of this colony.

>>3553950

>I could see this working but only on a vacation level... like a timeshare for like minded people, separate colonies for separate interests, you can book a week or 2 in every interest depending on what your into ATM. it would be like socialized college in a stress free environment.

I fully agree and in fact I think that'll be the primary market. But simply making them available for reasonable prices will also inevitably lead to clubs of the like minded, the few who truly want to live in the sea full time, buying up as many habitats as their pooled money will get them and building genuine seafloor towns. It remains to be seen whether they can sustain them in the longterm but I'm certain it will be tried.

Pic related, model of anticipated future underwater communities designed by marine architect Jacques Rougerie.

One thing I'm wondering how well does internet work deep underwater?

>>3554055

It doesn't. Radio waves only travel a short distance in water, it's an ideal shield against most kinds of radiation.

To deliver internet, the surface buoy would have a radio or microwave link to land. The buoy would already be connected to the habitat by air and power through the umbilical, a data cable would naturally be in there as well.

Bump

are you andrew ryan?

>>3558160

Hurr.

There are simply too many easier alternatives to an underwater city/town/state. Hell, a floating city would be better. In fact, there are billionaires figuring out how to do it already.

>>3558647

What would be the point?

In college currently, but would contribute a large amount of money for this in the future

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"If only there was an island for the wise and kind of heart" - Albert Einstien

MERITOCRACY FUCK YEAH, and not to rain on /sci/'s parade, but wouldn't this be more feasable on land?

>>3558681
>didn't read the thread

>>3551122
I might worry about protection and safety in this sort of community.
There would have to be some sort of emergency response crew (ambulance and police) like there is on land in the event of emergency or injury. There would have to be some effective way of lifeflighting in the event of extreme injury (accidents, heart attacks, etc) because I doubt there would be fully equipped medical facilities.
Also, (excuse the paranoia) extremist opposition or simple lunatics could easily sabotage the project by destroying the floating parts/severing the cables. Perhaps there would be surface watchmen to prevent such a crime?

>>3558751

I think it would be necessary to at least have an on site doctor.

I dont see why anyone would go out and sabotague out air pipe, regardless of how insane they are. That just doesnt make sense. You dont need to live under the sea for a random stranger to opportunistically screw you over.

But the notion of all my air coming through a single pipe is kind of scary...

bobby! you stop dabbling in undersea civilization, and finish your damn veggies!

the problems i usually see with this is if we are relying on technology too much if it fucks up it may fuck us up with no permanent solution, its what people usually say to me when i suggest futuristic technology taking over for win

I have nothing to add other than that these threads are by far the bestest things on /sci/. Keep up the good work, sir.

>they didn't learn anything from BioShock

>>3558905
i would imagine that excess solar power would be used to compress air for storage in case of such an emergency

>>3558751
>>3558905

I'm pretty sure there are redundancies. Batteries and extra air stored in the habs in case of emergency. That way you've got plenty of time to fix whatever's wrong with the buoy before it becomes a problem.

Honestly, I think it sounds pretty safe. I'm not sure how you would safely evacuate someone without them getting the bends, or if they couldn't put on a mask/swim up to the surface themselves, but otherwise it sounds great. There's little chance that we'd be discovered inadvertently; even if they saw our buoy, I doubt that they would dive all the way down to the habs.

>>3551181
crushed by the large quantity of water on top of you, i would assume

>>3560106
The air inside is going to be pushing out the same amount as the water outside is going to be pushing in, as it's pressurised to the same level. It doesn't kill the people inside (as we're apparently rather good at pressurising slowly, less good at depressurising) and essentially avoids the whole problem.

>>3560115
right, but he was asking about a situation in which some part of that system fails

>>3560210
like what?
If the hose gets cut or the pump dies, a one way valve slams shut.

>>3560106
>>3560210

Since the pressure is the same a leak of breach would be the equivalent of water pouring on you. Versus when there is immense pressure, a breach of leak would mean getting crushed like tin can.

>>3560290
like a bug would be more accurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin#Diving_bell_accident
Diver D4 was shot out through the small jammed hatch door opening, and was torn to pieces. Subsequent investigation by forensic pathologists determined D4, being exposed to the highest pressure gradient, violently exploded due to the rapid and massive expansion of internal gases. All of his thoracic and abdominal organs, and even his thoracic spine were ejected, as were all of his limbs. Simultaneously, his remains were expelled through the narrow trunk opening left by the jammed chamber door, less than 60 centimetres (24 in) in diameter. Fragments of his body were found scattered about the rig. One part was even found lying on the rig’s derrick, 10 metres (30 ft) directly above the chambers. His death was most likely instantaneous and painless.

I don't believe you can have a painless death, but it was definitely pretty fast.

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I'm interested. Athletic Training/Chemistry dual major here. (Yes I'm an idiot for choosing those) Going for masters in Physical Therapy. Potentially another in Biochemistry. I would definitely be willing to help in this pursuit.

but what if i have a lot of firecrackers? il get into space with flash powder.