/sci/ - Science & Math

Think it's possible with mechanical/biological hybrids forms of humans..
Like, the cyborg turtle human, or something like that.

However, what I find more important is this.
Your brain will not increase in size, and can only hold a certain amount of stored memories..
Won't the memories you have now, fade the older you get?
For example, when you're 1000 years old, you wouldn't be able to remember your 20's or 30's or even 500's, simply because you have to process so much shit every year.
Sadly, the knowledge you are able to store in the brain has a limit

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/aubrey_de_grey_says_we_can_avoid_aging.html

What's the problem with dying?

>>3542981

Dying's for fools

>>3542981
Scared of death

Daydreaming about an after-life is about as close as we can get.

>>3542979

How far is his "research" come along since then?

>>3542977
that's why we start uploading our memories to hard disks
Brings a whole new meaning to pornos

You die, others are born, death is not a real threat, its just you being selfish and scared

>http://www.ll.mit.edu/news/DRACO.html

This seems promising

Damnit, Aubrey. Be faster in your research! I don't wanna die.

>>3543019
Complexity of the human brain vs a computer.

>>3542981
>>3542990
>>3542993
>>3543023

we still need to figure out how to administer telomerase in a way that it will not accidentally cause cancers.

i think the key is to investigate animal fetuses. we know that the gene is active in the womb. somehow, telomerase adds material to chromosomes without causing genetic defect OR there is something that is trunicating potentially defective genes OR cancerous cells are somehow being killed off in an efficient manner.

once we figure that out, we need to figure out how to stop the brain from aging like it does. then we will have an immortality that is not a living hell.

>>3543069
We also need to find a certain transcription and translation process for telomerase to work on somatic level.

>>3543069

This makes me wonder if human testing would speed shit up...

>>3543134
We can pretty effectively test shit in vitro nowadays.
Certainly, human condition of the intra/inter/extra cellular milieu can be very complex and are indeed probably only testable on humans only, but ethical commitees are very strict.
I'm quite optimistic in the future of in vitro testing.
The technology is also improving rapidly on this field.

I was near ludd once, then I took a course in school that was near the same opinion and it turned me around. The whole class was like oh wows tech can be bad how in-tas-ding I was like five steps ahead and reviewing all the steps that got me there made me think oh oops I made a flaw

>>3543023

You say selfish as if it's a bad thing... It has no negative impact on anyone, and really, if I were to carry your logic out to its conclusion, you basically just admitted you should kill yourself immediately.

>there is a jellyfish that reverts itself to youth after being sexually active, it is biologically immortal
>human sex cells do not age, we have a gene that is stopping aging in them
>transhumanism and the technological singularity are close

research regarding the first two, and others, is being carried out as we speak, i don't think we're far from curing aging

>>3543450
>>implying that putting jellyfish DNA in our DNA won't have terrible negative consequences

Seriously, why do people think they can just manipulate the base code of life without secondary effects? Genes are almost always linked to more than one thing.

>>3543450

Any other good vids on immortality/anti-aging?

>>3543477
>no reading context on this one.

He said we have sex cells that dont age, and there are jellyfish that don't age because of becoming sexually active.

Which means theres a link to immortality and sex cells somewhere.
Has nothing to do with putting jellyfish DNA inside ourselves. its the same basic concept as taking the designs for an airplane from birds.

I think to conquer immortality, we need

a) even more massive computing resources so we can "understand" what is going on and
b) actual ability to view and manipulate things on a molecular level

This is regardless if immortality is supposed to come from us being essentially machines or us mastering our biology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdadZ_KrZVw

>mfw when life inevitably becomes like this

10 years ago we were supposed to have indefinite lifespans in 10 years from now.

I say we're fucking lucky if we get a working treatment for Alzheimer's in 10 years.

Antiaging "science" is at the moment little more than a scam to separate fools from their money.

>>3543542
Did you watch this video? >>3542979

Because if you did that video was made in 2005. It hasn't been 10 years yet, he also didn't get extensive funding for it till around 2007 to 2008.

I wouldn't even know how long I would want to live... Like if I were allowed to pick any age at all I know it wouldn't be forever, but I would have no clue whether it would be 500 years or 5000 years or 5 million years.

>>3543450

>>3542968

I am sure that he is copying what Harald Fairhair did. Harald swore not to cut his hair till he had conquered all of Norway and to be crowned king. This guy is not cutting his hair until he finds a cure for death.

>>3543607

Do you know that for a fact or are you just guessing?

I intend to live forever. So far, so good.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-06-dna-reverse-premature-aging.html

To achieve immortality all you have to do is stay alive.
So far so good. Good job to all of you as well.

I think 2020 shit will get real.

By then I suspect our technology will be sufficient to rapidly analyze genomes and from there we're golden.

>>3543664

Oh yeah? And are there even any leads in biology that will take us there in 8 years?

No, faggot.

>>3543666

>666

Quiet you! Take your filthy lies elsewhere, Beelzebub!

>>3543666
>He thinks 2020 is in 8 years

Even the stars die, get over yourself and except the inevitable

>>3543688

Uhh.. yeahh... uh that's great and all... but.. uhh, one question: Why?

>>3543688
*accept
it's been a longday
>>3543700
Because that's life? hell imagine the amount of life that has died just for you to exist anyway?
Just enjoy the moment

>>3543730

I can do that and still live forever... Any counter argument for life extension is essentially self refuting in that it leads to you killing yourself.

>>3543688
The funny thing is even if we end aging we can still die.
So your argument is invalid.
No matter what we do death will be an inevitable part of our lives.
All ending aging will do is further the time we have.

The first hot air balloon experiments were conducted 1782, and the Wright brothers flew their first airplane in 1903. The Concorde flew it's first commercial flight in 1969, the same year we landed on the moon.

If we say 'flight' began with the first hot air balloon experiments, then it took 187 years to go from playing around fireplaces with paper bags to landing on the moon. If we say 'flight' began with the first airplane, then it took 66 years.

The first stem cell treatments (Bone marrow transplant) occurred in 1968, and the first genetic engineering in 1974. If we assume that these technologies take the exact same amount of time as flight technologies did to achieve the same potency, then we're given the dates 2040 (66 years after the first genetic modification of bacteria), and 2161 (187 years after the same).

I therefore predict that we'll possess total control of the biological form no later then 2161, and no earlier then 2040, and that this control will be widely available and cheap (That is, you'll be able to completely control your biological form for the price of a plane ticket). That is, assuming that such control is actually possible.

>>3543771
that's another point i was going to make, its impossible to be immortal
even if you were unable to die of disease or aging you would ineviatbly die anyway (it's impossible to be perfectly safe- think how many humans die a year from choking for fucks sake!)
>>3543743
yes but you cant, besides extending life is one thing- being immortal is another completely

That would be incredibly dull.

>>3543776
flight and space travel are two very different beasts

>>3543790
If you get bored, you can always off yourself.

>>3543771
>Implying that we won't be indestructible cyborgs in 100 years