/sci/ - Science & Math

i thought i could get an UBARCHEEP mp3 player with basic functionality and large memory by getting some non-apple product.

hours of research later, turns out apple is pretty much top of the pile.

macs still gay though.

Hipster fandom & people believing Moleskin magically grant you the power of creativity.

If you want some serious fucking swag notebooks for notetaking, get the note pros from blue inc.
>http://www.amazon.com/Blueline-NotePro-Notebook-Inches-A9C-81/dp/B000V808LC
>http://www.everydayminimalist.com/?p=1194

Not that expensive and fuck are they clean.

>>3456916
A friend of mine bought me a moleskine for my birthday. At first I was like "WTF a notebook ?" he was all "lol, it is not simply a notebook, it is a moleskine". It is expensive, I didn't even write on it (I feel bad writing on a $25 book).

>$20 notebook
>$1 pen

I have seen people do this and it makes me sad.

>>3456926
>apple is pretty much top of the pile

For the price and restricted functions without meddling? How about no?

Its price is high because people are willing to pay that price.

And people wonder why we're in this economic mess...cause of cheap assholes like you.

Want a superior product? You have to pay the price.

>>3456926
I use my HTC phone and Amazon Cloud.


Get you some Sennheisers and baby, we got ourselves a stew.

>>3456926
>i thought i could get an UBARCHEEP mp3 player with basic functionality and large memory by getting some non-apple product.

Sansa has some good cheap ones, if 4-8 GB is enough for you. I've had one for 4 years that I paid like $25 for and still works fine, even though I abuse the shit out of it.

>>3456941

Really? I though it was people mortgaged their houses to buy shit they couldn't afford and didn't need.

>>3456961

Thats what tea party/republicans want you to believe.

>>3456944
I use a G2 Limited which costs like $11 but I got a bunch of for $3 each at Shopko during a clearance sale :D

Good pen for $3, but not for $11.

>>3456946

how about prove it

>>3456956

no, was ditching my full 8gb, wanted 100 or more.

$10-$15 leather padfolio + legal pads = awesome.

$25? Jesus I bought one of those things years ago with graph paper for like $14 at Borders.

>>3457007
Prolly why they went bankrupt.

>>3457007
>borders

Dude I LOVE Borders. I haven't been to the one near here in the longest time. I should apply for the job. The whole place smelled so rich, and the people working there were cool as fuck. Its actually where I purchased my first Calculus textbook. :)

Seriously /sci/? Go to Walmart buy a notebook for .67 c and a pack of pens for a dollar. Its not that hard but then again what can you expect from a pack of retards.

>>3457010
Poor economics skills.

>>3457017
Got some bad news for ya, bro...

>>3457017
Bad news for you.

>>3457026
Spiral bounds are fucking annoying. That feel when the bottom spirals start to bunch out and opening your notes becomes frustrating as fuck without ruining the paper.

Bawwwwww, I'm taking a trip to my old town next month to visit the Borders I always went to growing up before they close it down.

>>3457029
>>3457030
Borders isn't out of business, they just filed bankruptcy and closed about half or more of their stores. I just went into one near my house the other day.

>>3457026
>using cheapass 10 cent ballpoints

nigga, please.

I don't mind cheap notebooks, but I REFUSE to write with shitty pens.

>>3457017
>I haven't been to the one near here in the longest time

>>3457029
>>3457030

>implying implication

>>3457049

http://blogs.forbes.com/deborahsweeney/2011/07/26/borders-a-retrospective/

>It’s goodbye yellow brick road for bookworms throughout the nation. In many ways though, the farewell was inevitable.

>Last week, Borders and Borders Express locations officially announced the closing of their remaining 399 store locations.

>>3457041
>Implying there are not other types of notebooks which are worth .67 c in Walmart.

Borders sucked ass. Every store I've been into was a mess and was planned out terribly and had a piss poor selection.

>>3457063
NOOOO

>>3457078
BLASPHEMER

Every Borders I've ever been to had at least twice as many books as every B&N I've ever been to.

>>3457087
Sure if you want to count a billion shitty coffee table books. Borders is like a big box version of a shitty airport news stand bookstore.

first go the romance novels, then the fiction. Then we swoop in to buy the hard science books at 70% off.

patience /sci/ patience

I wouldn't use any other notebook.

>>3457094
Please.

Math/physics at Borders: Both sides of an island shelf thing about 6-8 feet long.
Math/physics at B&N: About a quarter that size, with 75% of that being test prep and "For Dummies" books

History at Borders: A whole damn wall like 40 feet long with shelves 8 feet high.
History at B&N: Again, a quarter of that tops.

Borders felt almost like a well-stocked library. B&N feels like a Starbucks with a few nearby shelves of pop fiction.

I kno u jelly.

>>3457114
Congrats on blowing three bucks worth of paper writing that.

>>3457124
Do you keep the shrink wrap they come in, too?

>>3457121
Not to mention that feel when the book you want is only available in B&N Brand with a shitty translation and recycled art on the cover.

I'm loving the sales at Borders right now.
Rest in peace you beautiful son of a bitch... I'm going to miss you.

>>3457114
Do you rub your cock on it, sometimes ?

>>3457125

Actually, the notebook I'm holding cost $15, iirc.

>>3457128
Its where I store my buds.

>>3457128

>>3457138 < not me

No, I don't keep the shrink wrap.

>>3457148
Hey asshole I was talking about shrink wrap in general. Fuck you.

>>3457148
You would if it had the brand name written on it.

>>3457153
Or if it was an American Rags bag.

>>3457121
All 5 or 6 borders stores that I've been to in the last 8 years or so has been half shitty trendy novels and manga coloring books, and a fuckton of clearance books nobody wanted, and the other half usually on the second floor was full of islands of the latest political books by cable news talking heads and new age, religious, self help books and shitty CDs. And they were ALWAYS a fucking mess. Books all over the floor, in the wrong sections, and no fucks seemed to be given by the employees.

>>3457153

Nah, the label lets me know the type of notebook and the pamphlet has the quality control sticker in case I notice a defect.

It goes to the recycle bin of its school's computer lab and gets recycled sheets from there blank on the back

>>3457167

>>3457134

No, I can't say that I have.

>>3457121
I donno about where you're from but where I live borders is exactly the same as b&n only with seatle's best instead of starbucks.

>>3457160
I wouldn't have thought Detroit even had bookstores.

>moleskine
>THE EUROPEAN PAPER COMPANY
>"only in America"

What about the elephant shit notebooks, those are pretty overpriced too.

>>3457181
We don't have black people where I live, we have mexicans.

>2011
>still visiting bricks-and-mortar bookstores

I really hope yadda yadda

>>3457201
>>3457160
>live in a place crawling with minorities
>notice nearby stores are generally trashed
>blame stores and not minorities

dumbass.

Graph paper spiral bound master race reporting in.

>>3457217
Also 5 sq/in.

>Using paper
>Not being part of the digital master race

Get with the times, /sci/.

>>3457211
>implying minorities buy books
>implying white people aren't fucking up the stores

I take all my notes on an Apple Newton.

Fels god brough.

How many moles have to die for each notebook?

Fuck all bookstores. Buy shit online for half the price shipping included. And fuck buying pens. Just pick up whatever's lying around.

>>3457243

7.
6 for the cover, 1 just for fun.

Anyway, I took the liberty of attempting to upload the history of moleskine notebooks. Unfortunately the very bottom was cut-off. Wasn't that important anyway.

>>3457253
Reminds me of when I was in highschool, I would just steal a pen off the chalk board or find one on the floor, every day.

>>3457255
Revised history:

Van Gogh, Picasso, and Hemmingway are just SOME of the famous historical figures who've used notebooks of a vaguely similar construction to this one, and, even though our company is less than 15 years old, we want you to think about those famous historical geniuses while considering whether to pay fifty times what an equivalent product would cost at Target or Walmart, because if you're dumb enough to spend three seconds considering spending $20 on a fucking notebook, chances are you're probably dumb enough to think it'll make you as smart as Hemmingway, also.

>>3457243
>>3457255

>How many moles have to die for each notebook?
>7.
>6 for the cover, 1 just for fun.

Why am I laughing? WHY?

>>3457255
My god, that pic. It look like moleskine is the apple of notebooks.

>>3457314
It's a standard American formula for becoming rich off your ass by price-gouging morons that's been successfully applied by many companies over the years.

1) Have a useful but essentially unoriginal product.
2) Make it shiny or otherwise visually attractive.
3) Market the everliving fuck out of it.
4) Set the price miles above your competitors so people will think it's better.
5) ???
6) PROFIT

>ITT penfags penfag about expensive pens. "scientists".

Gentlemen, meet the Dixon Ticonderoga. A superior writing instrument, with a man's eraser.

>>3457305
>>3457314
>>3457330

Here's the french version.

I'll admit, I'm a sucker for prestige. However, I like the look and feel of moleskine notebooks far more than the shitty ones at walmart.

What people don't realize is that it's no different than other forms of mental masturbation. A product is much more than what you see with your eyes. For instance, wine that cost more performs worse under blind taste testing, but take the cheaper wine that beat it and then serve it in two separate glasses one labelled $20, other labelled $150 and the $150 is reported to taste better, and it's the EXACT same wine. Since, taste is just an "illusion" of subjective brain experience it could be said that simply increasing the price of the wine ACTUALLY makes it taste better. And don't you want to drink the better tasting wine?

When you're selling a product you're selling more than bits of matter, you're selling ideas. I like the ideas of moleskine notebooks far better than walmart brand notebooks so to me the price is justified.

>>3457211
The b&n stores were fine though...

>>3456916
Get a Mead composition book. I've got a million of them.. They're flimsy as fuck and they make you feel like you're in high school, but they're cheap and handy.

You faggots can't into anything

buy thousands of graph paper sheets
buy a binder

put in graph paper

endless engineering
you have no idea how many graphs i draw everyday

I own three of those notebooks in OP's picture. yes they are expensive. I also got it at barnes and noble

>>3457445

Which ones and what do you use them for?

I really hate faggots like the OP that have no money whatsoever and then assume that even if one does have money the intrinsic worth of a product is based on some immutable standard and not what the thing is worth to the user, i.e. a subjective standard of valuation.

>>3457354
>uses a pencil
>uses a WOODEN pencil

enjoy your weak, faint lines from using graphite instead of ink, your dull lead points, pencil shavings, the need for a sharpener, and eraser that lasts a tenth as long as the rest of the pencil.

>>3457375
Translation: I'm the type of person marketing executives have wet dreams about.

>>3457452

I have two red notebooks, with lined paper. And one black one with blank paper.

I use them to keep records and stuff. One is for when I am building stuff. Keeping track of how I built stuff and what worked best, and keeping lists of material properties and diagrams. Another is for economics/philosophy. If I learn something cool I write it down. The last one is for music.

I feel you, OP. I go to New York University. As if everything in Lower Manhattan isn't overpriced already, all of NYU's stationery shit in its bookstore is fucking overpriced.

they had a clearance sale on those at my local Staples about just after xmas

1.50 a piece

I bought 20 of them

>>3457480

Hahahahaha. Actually, I am marketing executive.

>>3457488
>>3457467
>>3457375
etc.

Basically, if you put your shitty poem/drawing/story into a 25 cent Mead notebook, it has to stand on its own merits and everyone can clearly see how awful it is. OTOH, if it's in an expensive, hip notebook, some of the coolness of the notebook will rub off on your art and make it seem less awful.

>>3457476

>using graphite instead of ink

You must not be taking a hard science. Only an idiot in a hard science (involving lots of equations and manipulation of said equations) would write using a pen. Hello, psychology or physiology major (if even).

>>3457509

>edit: I am A* marketing executive

>>3457499
Before I read this thread, that would've sounded like a good deal. Now, though, I'd refuse to be seen even owning one.

>>3457511

What does the content of the of notebook have anything to do with it?

Now I feel bad. I didnt buy that notebook as some kind of status symbol (I also didnt pay $25 like OP suggests). I just saw some nice notebooks that I needed at the time.

>>3457514
Nope, math grad student. Most professional mathematicians I know use pens as well.

Equations written in pen are easier to read. I recommend making less mistakes (and not buying notebooks that cost 20 dollars)

>>3457528

Ahhh, the anti-hipster! Attempting to be original by attempting to be explicitly unoriginal.

Cunning.

>>3457514
Not necessarily. I do math with pen (oh the horror of professors and classmates), it looks quite messy sometimes. I remember when I made a really, really messy test when we had a substitute teacher in highschool once.. Bitch wanted to give me an F, but since I was actually the only one that had 100% I got a warning. Good times..

>>3457546
>Ahhh, the anti-hipster! Attempting to be original by attempting to be explicitly unoriginal.

Isn't that also the definition of a normal hipster?

>>3457544
>>3457548

Once you all start doing real work, you'll realize you need a pencil.

Can anyone reccomend me a good pen with fast drying ink?
I'm a lefty and after writing notes the side of my palm is coloured in.

>>3457556

>>3457437

Who the fuck graphs by hand?

>>3457375
So what you're saying is that since there's objectively no significant difference between the cheap product A and the expensive product B, you're paying the extra money for product B to have the advertising people at company B suck your dick and tell you how smart you are for buying their product?

>>3457561

Amateur.

Lrn2 mirror write like da Vinci.

>>3456916
Believe it or not, most of these overpriced products are actually of far better quality than their cheap counterparts : ergonomics are better, materials are better, better construction will allow the product to function longer. Does these imporvments totally justify the price difference?

Well...that's kind of complicated... you see, expensive products, deluxe versions of standard products -like this textbook-, aren't destined to be sold by the millions and aren't produced in quantities anywhere near the quantities cheaper ones are. Raising production costs ...
Higher production costs
Higher priced materials
Better engineering
Less products sold than mass distribution cheapos = less revenue = margin less diluted in quantity, more visible on each unit.

>>3457558
Maybe if you do the kind of math that involves giant ugly formulas and numerical computations. But that's called "engineering" and isn't really science anyway.

>>3457561

>2011
>Being left handed
>Not writing mirrored like da Vinci

I seriously hope you don't do this.

>>3457561
Have you tried those really cheap ballpoint pens that come like 20 for a buck? I think those would be fast (but shitty)

>>3457581

Pretty much. And it's easy to tell who isn't getting their mental dick sucked by ad men because they sound bitter and lonely like you.

>>3457588
>ergonomics are better
It's a notebook, the ergonomics involved come down to whether it stays open by itself.

>materials are better
If you're worried that much about paper quality, you'd be buying stuff at the art store instead. You can buy decent quality watercolor paper for less per sheet than these things.

>better construction will allow the product to function longer
It's a 60 page notebook. Is longevity really an issue?

>Well...that's kind of complicated... you see, expensive products, deluxe versions of standard products -like this textbook-, aren't destined to be sold by the millions and aren't produced in quantities anywhere near the quantities cheaper ones are.

I own math textbooks that will probably only ever sell 5,000 copies, mostly to libraries, and they're only 2-3 times more expensive than a bestselling hardcover at B&N.

These notebooks are in every B&N, Borders, and Target, so don't give me shit about low production and overhead costs.

I use only pen and make use of scratch paper to work out shit then when I'm sure I have it correct I write it in pen in my notebook. Personally I think it looks a lot better and people have commented on how neat and clean looking my work looks. Also wooden pencils are a pain to deal with I'll use a mechanical pencil if I have to but I haven't used a wooden pencil since middle school.

Apparently at Borders everything is 40% off, but that's not really worth it for textbooks, I can just get them for like 70% off used on Amazon.

Should I wait? Do you think they'll drop prices even more?

>>3457634

Borders is having a fucking firesale right now, I doubt anything WONT get cheaper.

>>3457623
http://www.dickblick.com/

Canson Calligraphy Pad (50 sheets): $6.51
Winsor & Newton Series 7 Kolinski Sable brush: Starting at $8.18 depending on thickness
30 ml bottle of Winsor & Newton calligraphy ink: $3.55

There, for less money, you can fucking *paint* your novel. Think of how cool you'll look in starbucks then.

>>3457490
>>I feel you, OP. I go to New York University. As if everything in Lower Manhattan isn't overpriced already, all of NYU's stationery shit in its bookstore is fucking overpriced.

Um, there's a fucking KMart a block and a half away from the bookstore, you know.

>>3457819

>>3457654
They won't get cheaper. Liquidation sales are run by outside outfits, and the first thing they do when they come in the door is jack everything up to full retail. Only then do they put up the signs reading "everything 25% off!" And thus do they get thousands of morons to flock to the store to pay MORE per item than it was going for pre-liquidation.

Sure, the prices eventually get down to "80% off!" or so, but by then all the books you'd ever possibly have wanted will be long gone.

>>3456938
What size is the ruling on these notebooks? In the picture it looks much bigger than I would prefer.

>>3457354
I bought two boxes of those from separate stores, and the led in almost every pencil in both boxes was broken.
It's a shame because I prefer taking notes with pencils over taking notes with pens.

Seeking:

Bound notebook
Great fucking pen

What get?

>>3458193
Dunno about the notebook, but for pens, it's hard to beat just a regular G2, unless you're willing to spend like $10 per pen.

>>3457589
Internet high five.

>mfw I love gel-ink pens, but they smear FUCKING EVERYWHERE

Even the ones that say they don't smear do

>>3458592

>gel-ink pens
>mfw, no picture

I seriously hope you are a girl, that's the only possible way to explain this retardedness.

>>3458633
>>3458633
Whut? Not the guy you are replying to, but gel ink pens are fucking awesome. The ones I have (some generic relatively cheap ones) don't even smear. AND they look awesome.

>>3458644

Godammit. I have what the portuguese call "saudade" for the times when there were no girls on the internet...

Those were days...

>>3458652
There's this thing amerifats call 'faggot'. When I read your posts full of butthurt because somebody, a guy for that matters, uses different kind of a pen, I see your true form, faggot.

Moleskines are expensive because people are willing to pay for them. People are willing to pay for them because they're good quality. High quality paper and binding doesn't come cheap. If you don't want it, don't buy it. There are plenty of people who aren't too cheap to pay a few extra $ for a good notebook rather than the usual low-quality crap.

>>3458550
>asks for "Great fucking pen"
>recommends cheap disposable pens
>thinks $10 will buy a good pen

No it's not only in America. Those cost $25 australian too - that's REAL money, not US fun-bucks.

>>3458975
Sorry, I thought he was asking for something to write with, not something to put on his desk so people can come look at it and think "Holy shit, this guy has $50 to spend on a pen, he must be rich as fuck!"

>>3458964
Yeah, that might fly if they were like 50% more expensive than normal notebooks or even 2 or 3 times more expensive, but when something's literally a hundred times more expensive than the functionality-first walmart version, you're just a sucker buying a brand name.

To compare with cars, a new Veyron costs about 100 times as much as a new Honda Civic. Are you saying the quality difference between a Mead notebook and a moleskin notebook is similar?

>>3458964

They're not even that good. You can't open them flat to a single page like a spiral back book, and the binding is too flimsy for repeated use.

I don't often take the time to say OP is a massive pencil-up-his-asshole faggot, but why is this troll thread still on page 1?

>>3456916
My girlfriend got me three of those for my 18th birthday.

I have a 5 subject college-ruled spiral notebook which I love. It's so thick and I like having more lines than wide-ruled. I also have a few sketchbooks so I converted one of the smaller ones into a line-free notebook.

Feels good man.

HERR DERR.. my Chevy POS has the same horsepower as Porsche... it must be just as good.....