/sci/ - Science & Math

>>3424924
>Science fiction.
>Fiction

Its made of mirrors

to reflect sunlight

yes, we have enough mirrors to make a ship

>>3424950
Mirrors...just plane old mirrors?

>>3424970
DO YOU DENY THE POWER OF MIRRORS?!

Google "what is heat?". That's a good place to start.
And gtfo my sci until you're either not a 14 yr old chronic masturbator or a functional retard

>>3424977

BURN THE HERETIC!

Likely it would be some sort of combination of mirrors, ceramics, and liquid cooling. It would be good enough to get very close to the sun for a SHORT amount of time, but that's it.

The whole premise of the movie is complete bullshit though. Launching fissile material into the sun, even in that quantity, would do absolutely nothing. The sun runs on fusion, not fission. Putting a window on the front of the ship that is heading into the sun is such a stupid idea. The guy on the other ship that would take sun baths would have died from heat and radiation in seconds/minutes.

There is a LOT more wrong with the movie, but I'll leave that to everyone else. I will admit that despite the poor acting, shallow characters, predictable plot line, and completely bullshit story, it was a pretty entertaining movie and was very pretty to watch. I am completely infatuated with imagery of the sun.

Pic is an actual pic of the sun, not from the movie

>>3425012
I feel stupid for asking this but what is that cloud sorta thing?

>>3425105
A normal (but large) solar eruption. The kind that mess with electronics, should they happen to intersect with Earth.

>>3425012
The pic is clearly not visible light, what is it?

Obviously they coated that side of the ship with aluminum foil and a shit ton of PAM. Kind of like those solar-hotdog cookers you might have made back in middle school.

PS. That movie sucked and was a load of bullshit.

>>3425012

Well, it would make sense if the movie weren't altered.

Originally the screenplay called for some sort of strange ball disturbance within the sun that was disrupting the fusion process. One which allegedly can exist in the universe, but is currently being tested for at the LHC. The nuke was to dislodge that foreign object.

I think the director decided it would be too complicated to explain to the audience, so that bit of information was cut, but none of the rest of the plot was changed. Resulting in not only an implausible premise, but an outright nonsensical one.

>>3425182
i heard the science advisor for the film was brian cocks, so i wouldn't invest too much hope that the movie had some real basis in science.

>>3425148
actually it is hydrogen alpha to be precise and it was done with an amateur solar scope.

>>3424970
just planar mirrors.

>>3425197
Thank you, I love learning

>In 2057, the failure of the Earth's Sun threatens life on the planet, compelling humanity to send a spacecraft that carries a stellar bomb payload intended to re-ignite it. The first spacecraft with the payload, the Icarus I, was lost seven years previously for reasons unknown, having failed in its mission. A second spacecraft with a new payload, the Icarus II, is sent to the Sun in a final attempt, as the Earth has been exhausted of the materials necessary to make the payload.
IT HURTS SO BAD

It was made of unobtainium.

>>3424924
Unobtainium, google it.

>>3425225

Hey at least it was halfway decent unlike that move The Core.

Also hollywood science fiction movies are just psuedo science nonsense everywhere.

>>3425189
I want to be a science adviser for things. That sounds like a great job.

>>3425252
Otherwise knows as a fun wrecker

>>3425250
but there's so much cool stuff you could go with and they chose the sun going out? What about NEOs, or Gamma bursts, or expansion?
>>3425254
HEY.
Hey.
We gave you lasers and railguns. Science is awesome.

Whats wrong with this movie:
>throw a missle into the sun and restart sun
>like throwing firecracker in a city and blowing up city

also for the shield of the ship:
it is reflecting the energy, not absorbing it, so in theory it would be plausible

I love this movie, Its frekin scary. Loneliness and mindfuck of space acquired and they are not even going away from the solar system but straight into it.
Some pretty cool effects.

Also its hilarious when the asian chick comes flying.

>>3425261
There are no ways of reflecting enough energy with mirrors.

>>3425265
did i say mirrors ?

>>3425267
Did the movie say mirrors?

>>3425271
nope it actually didnt, it said solar shields

best scifi movie ever
intentional disregard for science in order to annoy assburgers is just icing on the cake

>>3425261

It's more like
>throwing sparkler into mt vesuvius hoping to blow up volcano

>>3425273
Wikipedia has lied to me. if that IS the case I guess it's more plausible, but the amount of power required to repel that amount of light would be significant.

>>3425280
meh, but the "problem that occured in the movie was retarded. they were trying to manuever the spacecraft for something, and they burned off some useless sections of it. suddenly the fire spread "through the vacuum of space" into a very distant part of the spaceship and the whole ship just went kablooie

>>3425274
>neurotypical retard detected

>>3425286
how could they know drama if they didn't know explosions

>>3425012
>poor acting, shallow characters, predictable plot line, and completely bullshit story
>pretty entertaining
I'll admit that the art direction was the best thing about the movie, but I'd still give everything else in it a solid B rating. It wasn't THAT bad. More specifically,
>predictable plot line
Yeah, I totally see how you would've predicted them running into an abandoned ship, having a horrendously scarred, religious zealot maniac survivor sneak on board and murdering the crew off one by one while having the movie turn into a slasher flick out of nowhere. You'd have to be blind to have not seen that coming.

>people think science fiction is about science and not the human condition
>niggerjustwentfullretard.jpg

>>3425313
A good author can ususally pull off both.

I remember someone saying it was gold. Don't know though.

>>3425292
It's common knowledge that space faring civilizations spent years perfecting the skill of adding beautiful, albeit useless, explosions to their space weapons.

>>3425316

Show me a science fiction author that rigidly sticks to scientific fact and I will show you a shit science fiction author.

>>3425318
I think Asimov is probably a good example of someone who manages it.

My favorite part of the movie was its bitching soundtrack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QahzbgUVwk&feature=related

also
>WHAT DO YOU SEE!!!

>>3425321

You know, just because fuck you, here's a direct quote from I, Robot:

"All that had been done in the mid-twentieth century on "calculating machines" had been upset by Robertson and his positronic brain-paths. The miles of relays and photocells had given way to the spongy globe of plantinumiridium about the size of a human brain.

She learned to calculate the parameters necessary to fix the possible variables within the "positronic brain"; to construct "brains" on paper such that the responses to given stimuli could be accurately predicted.

In 2008, she obtained her Ph.D. and joined United States Robots as a "Robopsychologist," becoming the first great practitioner of a new science. Lawrence Robertson was still president of the corporation; Alfred Lanning had become director of research."

>>3425327
not sure what problemis

How do you know it isn't possible? I mean, positrons would be awkward to use but it's by no means impossible to transmit signals with them.

(testing whether or not http://www.synchtube.com/ is banned)

>>3425333

not sure what problemis

How do you know it isn't possible? I mean, solar shields would be awkward to use but it's by no means impossible to block the sun'd radiation with them.

>>3425337
I didn't say it was impossible, did I.

>>3425321

Have you read the later works? Jesus fuck.

Fucking mind control and planetary consciousness.

>>3425345
wut

>>3425352
Read the Foundation series.

>>3425286
The sunlight was reflected off something(for the life of me I can't remember) and burnt the oxygen garden to a crisp

>>3425359
I've read the first few books and encountered nothing at all like that. Mind giving me a quote or two?

>>3425370
Well, there's the Mule, from the second book, the entire Second Foundation, also introduced in the second book, and there's Gaia, from one of the later books. That's two for mind control and one for planetary consciousness.

Sunshine is one of my favourite movies.

The scientific errors aren't that bad and are at least overcomable if you do a little thinking for yourself.

If I want something scientifically accurate I'll read my physics textbook. Not that I'm sayingscientific accuracy and good storytelling are mutually exclusive, just Sunshione did fine without being accurate.

>>3425375
I'd always assumed the mental stuff in the series was via machine, don't know why I didn't spot that
I wouldn't consider Gaia impossible, really; It's possible to store information in inanimate objects, and I see no hard problem with the whole hivemind thing assuming there's a reasonable method of transmission and reception

>>3425389
There were machines to analyze the mind. No real problem with that. But all the control was done without any mechanical aid. The Mule himself was born with the power to alter the minds of others. The psychologists of the Second Foundation had to learn it, and they could still only do it if they had eye contact, unlike the Mule.

I don't know much about Gaia, since I haven't read the whole series, so I won't comment on that. I'm not even the guy who mentioned it in the first place.

>>3425394
That's disappointing, I thought Asimov was more of a hard scifi kind of person. Misled by his short stories, apparently

aerogel, OP.
topic too long, didn't read.

>>3425403
doesn't aerogel break down in virtually anything?

>>3425401
Well, it was a different time. And the psychologists' abilities are justified, in-universe.

>>3425408
well, one can think it was protected.
You know, like a solid protection to protect against impacts, and right under it some aerogel to protect again heat.

>>3425401

I believe the parapsychological elements in Asimov's work were added at the encouragement (or possibly insistence) of John W. Campbell, Asimov's friend/editor/publisher, who was into that sort of thing.

I think a better example of an author who writes truly hard SF without sacrificing artistic merit is Kim Stanley Robinson.

Oh wow, you mean there's a film out there where stuff doesn't work as it would in our reality?

Maybe thats why its called science FICTION?

>>3425619
SCIENCE fiction. Emphasis on the Science, because it's supposed to be based on it, and fiction.

listen to Brian Cox's commentary on the DVD

>>3425670
I'm seriously disappointed he had anything at all to do with this. He's sensible re: the moon landings, homeopathy, and woo science in general, and yet he's willing to support a film which forwards the idea that the sun could go out

>>3425681
He was also the scientific adviser on the set, making sure the science was as accurate as possible.

>>3425691
Not sure how you'd even do that. I guess you'd have to have preset unscientific details like there being a way to restart the sun with a bomb, and then change everything around them to be as plausible as possible.

>>3425716
>displayed radiation from the sun**

I hate when I do this.

>>3425695
Well despite /sci/'s bantering, the movie is scientifically accurate and the most accurate one in recent years (which isn't saying much anyway).

Aside from the follow:
- No clear way for the ship to have artificial gravity
- That scene where the guy floats off to space exposed by the vacuum: could happen, but we will most certainly not possess the skin tones when exposed to a vacuum
- You can reignite the sun when such a bomb, but you will need about a billion of them to pull it off.
- The sun was hit by a supposed "Q-Ball" which caused such a premature death, but our sun will never EVER be dense enough to absorb a Q-Ball.
- Zero gravity does not cause a body to move slowly as depicted in the movie

Also the supposed window and observatory deck in the ship was not a window (since it was on the side of the ship instead of the front), but a giant screen that displayed radio from the sun through various filters and exposures.

>>3425716
I haven't (read: don't intend to) watch it, but that's a lot of problems with it :s

>>3425725
That's mostly five-to-six things out of two-and-a-half-hour long movie.

>>3425728
5 or 6 huge things though. Gravity would be one of the most important considerations in reality.
Do you know how they explained not free-falling into the sun? were they in stable orbit or something?

>>3425751
They launch themselves at the sun, bomb and all. That's how it ends. They all die. Sun is reignited though.

It's sci-fi, it's not meant to be entirely realistic or there wouldn't be a story. For a hollywood movie it's pretty good anyway.

This movie was amazing in the cinema, such scale and awe, the scenes with the sunbathing were amazing and the vastness when out repairing the panels was petrifying despite all rationality - I loved it

>>3425394
>The Mule himself was born with the power to alter the minds of others. The psychologists of the Second Foundation had to learn it, and they could still only do it if they had eye contact, unlike the Mule.

I don't remember him being able to control/read minds, just manipulate emotions to the extreme, which isn't really that paranormal, just look at cult leaders or famous people. Now imagine a person whose charm compared to a cult leader's is like cult leader's compared to average 4chan asspie (if I'm making sense here). Person like that would be pretty close to the Mule. For comparison, look at the difference between da Vinci (whatever you may think of him, but let's focus on his abilities) and your local wall mart employee (or a god damn farmer, if you wish to compare people in same ages). Just because it'd be extremely rare, it doesn't mean it's impossible.

Asimov is god. Deal with it.

>>3424924
>>3425012
Mirrors and liquid cooling, most likely. Mirrors would most likely only reflect a part of the spectrum, while the rest would be absorbed. No idea how the liquid cooling would work in space, except for the ejecting of the liquid, which would be impractical due to the amounts they'd had to have.