/sci/ - Science & Math

>>3373166
Ayn Rand was a stupid amphetamine addicted cunt.

she was also batshit insane

>>3373184
She took amphetamines and wasn't ashamed?
My new hero

So what? Bitch was a selfish ultracapitalist cult leader.

You'll find better atheist role models in leftist George Orwell and Bertrand Russell.

>>3373184
No shit.Any reference?

>>3373166
Yup.

So was Kurt Vonnegut, Joseph Stalin, Carl Sagan, Mao, Isaac Asimov, Kim Il Sung, Arthur C Clarke, Mark Twain et. al.

Ayn Rand was a bitch, but not a mass-murdering bitch. Who would have thought a group of people with no central doctrine for living would have such a wide variation of behavior?

>>3373196
Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, tell that man to go screw himself and he'll either learn how to fish or die like the pathetic scum he is.

>>3373196
George Orwell wrote the book on why socialism is shit.

>>3373204
A baby will either learn to breath or he can go screw himself and die

>>3373199
Burns 2009, p. 85
Burns 2009, p. 178; Heller 2009, pp. 303–306
"While completing the novel, Rand was prescribed the amphetamine Benzedrine to fight fatigue.[39] The drug helped her to work long hours to meet her deadline for delivering the finished novel, but when the book was done, she was so exhausted that her doctor ordered two weeks' rest. Her continued use of the drug for a number of years may have contributed to what some of her later associates described as volatile mood swings."
"After completing the novel of more than one thousand pages, however, Rand fell into a severe depression that may have been aggravated by her use of prescription amphetaminesAfter completing the novel of more than one thousand pages, however, Rand fell into a severe depression that may have been aggravated by her use of prescription amphetamines"

>>3373211
Yes. Babies tend to do that.
Do you think that babies are TAUGHT how to breathe?
What is your point?

>>3373206

I have never visited Russia and my knowledge of it consists only of what can be learned by reading books and newspapers. Even if I had the power, I would not wish to interfere in Soviet domestic affairs: I would not condemn Stalin and his associates merely for their barbaric and undemocratic methods. It is quite possible that, even with the best intentions, they could not have acted otherwise under the conditions prevailing there.
But on the other hand it was of the utmost importance to me that people in western Europe should see the Soviet regime for what it really was. Since 1930 I had seen little evidence that the USSR was progressing towards anything that one could truly call Socialism. On the contrary, I was struck by clear signs of its transformation into a hierarchical society, in which the rulers have no more reason to give up their power than any other ruling class. Moreover, the workers and intelligentsia in a country like England cannot understand that the USSR of today is altogether different from what it was in 1917. It is partly that they do not want to understand (i.e. they want to believe that, somewhere, a really Socialist country does actually exist), and partly that, being accustomed to comparative freedom and moderation in public life, totalitarianism is completely incomprehensible to them.

Original preface to Animal Farm; as published in George Orwell : Some Materials for a Bibliography (1953) by Ian R. Willison

>>3373211
>this whole thread
God damn I love you so much /sci/
You guys are hilarious

>>3373221
and people tend to know how to fend for themselves.

>>3373206

It was the first time that I had ever been in a town where the working class was in the saddle ... There was much in it that I did not understand, in some ways I did not even like it, but I recognized it immediately as a state of affairs worth fighting for.

George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia

>>3373230
1984 and Animal Farm

the guy knew why socialism was retarded.

>>3373201
"With no central doctrine for living would have such a wide variation of behavior?"
What do you mean by "central doctrine"?
Also, your syntax utterly perplexes me in its palpable disjunction.

thanks for the infomation OP.

>>3373235

sarcasm dude.

>>3373232

The Spanish war and other events in 1936-7 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic Socialism, as I understand it. It seems to me nonsense, in a period like our own, to think that one can avoid writing of such subjects.

George Orwell, "Why I Write," Gangrel (Summer 1946)

>>3373243
You know who else opposed socialism?

Libertarian Masterrace

>>3373256
Quite hypocritically, since the United States had many tax funded programs and organisations.

Also, I <3 Adolf.

atheism = socilaism
it was a false flage

>>3373256
Pretty cool guy except for his deficit spending, hes a Keynesian in some ways.

>>3373224
Amen

>>3373256

I'm confused, did you ignore that part about where Orwell said he supported democratic socialism?

>>3373277
No, he was not a cool guy. You know no shit, do you?
I'm inclined to agree with you on the whole Reganomics causing inflation thing.

>>3373277
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/08/us/reagan-insists-budget-cuts-are-way-to-reduce-deficit.html
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/492882/Ronald-W-Reagan/214230/Domestic-policies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Drugs

>Hitler with a jew.

>>3373290
No, I just did that to troll you for spamming.

>>3373328

Where I come from we call it 'references'.

Or is it common practise for you to say shit and not be able to back it up?

Maybe once you've graduated/dropped out of highschool you will understand the importance of factual information.

>>3373166
I don't know about that. I just know she was a stupid russian cunt who had absolutely no idea what Kant was actually talking about. And she wrote BAD movies.

Enlightenment thinking destroyed Western civilization.

When will the Europeans see this?

>>3373407

Are you american? Are you patriotic?

If so you are a supporter of a revolution of the enlightenment.

>>3373334
Where I come from it's called beating a dead horse, when you could just as easily enumerated all the articles and excerpts therein one post, but no, you had to posture.

>>3373407
You mean rationalism and equalitarianism?

>>3373407
I see it, though this was mainly the french's fault.
Made nice art, though. So, I can't be all mad at them.

>>3373436
It's called egalitarianism, plebe.
Ha, just kidding, but it is called egalitarianism, though, just for future reference.

>>3373407
The Enlightenment is a blight upon the world,

>>3373445
Sry, English is not a native language for me.. Still the term seems to exist, although it's rare

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/equalitarianism

>>3373463
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism
:)

>>3373463
If you're a Dravidian, I hate you; just telling you.

Liberte', Egalite', Fraternite'

When will we have these three things?

>>3373504
Hopefully never, you fucking leftist scum.

>>3373440
The Enlightenment led us down the road to some of the shittiest art ever, like Rothko and Picasso.

>>3373530
just because you are too stupid to understand Picasso does not mean it is bad.
you Reactionary Fucktard.

>>3373216

>mfw ayn rand called everyone lazy niggers that don't deserve basic human needs via social welfare
>mfw ayn rand had to use amphetamines to write a book because she was "fatigued"

pull at the libertarian thread and it just keeps unraveling

So was Stalin. So was Buddha. So was Confucius. So was Socrates. So was Einstein.

Just because somebody happens to be right about god, doesn't meant they are right about everything, doesn't mean they came to the answer in a reasonable way,

>>3373710

Another lefty who thinks Ayn Rand equals the sum of all libertarianism.

How original.

>>3373710
Did she get amphetamines through social welfare? I didn't think so.

>>3373232
>1984
>Socialism
I don't think that word means what you think it means. . .

>>3374198

>1984
>means of production are run by the state

Kinda

>>3374165
>Did she get amphetamines through social welfare? I didn't think so.

She was on social security and medicare.

>>3374218
Socialism != communism

Back on topic though, pic related to Ayn Rand.

>>3374254

>>3374254

No, they're not the same. But 1984 is more akin to socialism than communism.

Animal farm is more akin to commuism

>>3374254

She had a childish political ideology (I wouldn't call it a philosophy, it wasn't developed enough).

And she was a bigoted zionist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHSv1asFvU#t=0m29s

Her value is 0.

>>3374254
ayn rand was apparently a boring, emotionless cow, and she wrote a bunch of bullshit justifying her callousness.

i am a libertarian (not extreme), but i'm an altruist also.

>>3374276
>Animal farm is more akin to commuism
I should hope so, it's a direct metaphor of the history of the rise of the Soviet Union.

>>3374276
1984 is not about socialism or fascism. it is about totalitarianism. socialism and fascism are both façades.

>>3374268

Whoa.

Thank you for posting that. I didnt realize her and color television co-existed

>>3374268
the ARABS are SAVAGE RACISTS

i loled. this woman is not a philosopher. all of that rational A = A bullshit and this is what she comes out with.

>>3374292

totalitarianism is a political system, socialism is an economic system.

>>3374320
oranges are round.
care for any more undisputed facts with no relevance to the discussion?

>>3374343

The novel deals with both.

>>3374353
no. the novel literally does not give a single shit about socialism.

>>3374320
>Socialism without totalitarianism

How does one get the money to create social welfare?

>>3374316
>>3374268
>strawman

name a single person who is not a bigot or racist?

>>3374417
youre right. the novel does not LITERALLY give a single piece of shit about socialism. however its a rebuke of it and obviously gives some figurative pieces of shit about it.

>>3374444
still no. animal farm is the work you're conflating it with. orwell was concerned about all forms of totalitarianism. nazis or soviets, not a single fuck was given.

i suppose you think it's about socialism because of the term INGSOC.

what did nazi stand for again?

yep. you derped.

>>3374451
So you actually believe theres a difference between Nazis and socialists? Do you actually conflate what you call Facism with free market economics. Government control of economics is inherently socialist. Fascism = Socialism.

>>3374451

The moment you try to impose this system upon all of the economy and Collective the means of production (which is what a lot of the "Anarcho"-Socialists and "Libertarian" Socialists want), you end up with de facto State ownership and economic planning, that suffers the same problems State-Socialism suffers.