/sci/ - Science & Math

Water, since meteors are mostly ice, it'd freeze a bunch of water around it and change the climate/kill many animals.

>>3306991
> it'd freeze a bunch of water around it and change the climate/kill many animals.

>wtf am I reading

>>3306991

uhh what?

>>3306991

I lol'd hard at this. 10/10

>>3306995
Meteors are extremely cold; Since they come from outer space, they're almost at 0 Kelvin. That + Water = Ice. Changes the currents, kills animals, etc.

>>3306991
AHAHAHAHAHA, I'VE NEVER READ SOMETHING SO STUPID IN ALL MY LIFE

CONGRATS, YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT

>>3306991
>kill many animals
>freeze water around it
yep, half of my cerebrum just died

>>3307005
Who do you think you're talking to, bitch?

>>3307003
>almost 0K

>>3307003

Can't tell if trolling harder or actually believing this stupid bullshit.

>>3306991
It's so pure.

This is going in my copy-pasta file.

Water.
Tripfag's telling bullshit, though.

The real problem would be the quakes AND tsunamis plus the amount of water getting vaporized into the atmosphere and if you feel like it you could also add triggering underwater vulcanism.

The main reason is actually that it would be somewhat of an isolated event if it hit a continent and not the ocean.

>>3306991
He makes a valid point.

>>3307020
There's no friction in space you idiot, which doesn't allow the meteor to heat up, you fucking idiot. There are only three things in space: Light, gravity and dark energy.

>>3307030
Understands what I'm saying and has a name. I WONDER

The rest of you can go fuck yourselves.

>>3307031
>all molecular motion stops
>molecular motion
>motion
>photons
>light
>energy traveling in a vacuum

>>3307027
Another question.

Are we prepared to an intercept a meteor should the need arise?

everyone who takes Teacup's post seriously deserver 0/10 in sense oh humor

OP it really depends on actuall size of the thing.

>>3307031

Please tell me moar, I am laughing so hard right now.

captcha: entrolo now

>>3307031

We are in space, are we not?

>>3307031

No ones denying the fact the meteor will be cold man... it's just you think that its temperature will be the most important factor?

>>3307047
>>3307050
>>3307052
Alright, you just got me to open Paint and draw a picture explaining it.

>>3307031

>>3307031

Alright, You are obviously trolling, but I'ma level with you.

The reason you see things coming into the earths atmosphere as streaks of light, is because as they hit the atmosphere moving at several KM/s, they heat up a fuckton from the friction of reentry.

This is also what caused those Space Shuttles that blew up to blow up. They lost the pads that allowed them to dissipate this enormous heat gain.

Anything this hits from orbit hits like an explosive fireball, or burns up in the atmosphere.

Also, there is lots of shit in space. Mostly hydrogen and stray gasses, but in minute quantities.

Also, micrometeorites.

Somebody has to make a troll physics comic about this.

>METEOR
there you go OP
first of all look up what kind of shit are you asking

>>3307054

There are people working on it.

Neil, take it away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-ReuLZ2quc

>this thread and it's contents

>this thread

>>3307057
1/2
Not reading any posts until I've uploaded it.

>>3307095
2/2
Fucking summerfags.

>>3307095

>strong force
>holding stars together

>>3307062
>The reason you see things coming into the earths atmosphere as streaks of light, is because as they hit the atmosphere moving at several KM/s, they heat up a fuckton from the friction of reentry.

I'm not saying that isn't the case, but do you know how cold 0K is? Heating one up a bit is like heating an ice cube with the power of imagination.

>>3307095

>strong force
>holding stars together

Nah mang, that's what's keeping it from collapsing in on itself

>>3307101

>meteor
>in space

>>3307114

Do you know that nothing in nature is 0K? Especially anything within a few AU of a Star which gives off radiation which heats shit up?

Do you think that sunlight only heats up Earth because we're big?

Thank you for this hilarious thread.

>>3307117
*Facepalm* And what did I just say?

>>3307118
Meteorite, meteor, meorzone, they're all the same.

>>3307101
>>3307095

>>3307124
HOLY FUCK AM I TALKING TO ASSBURGERS

>>3307003
>they're almost at 0 Kelvin
>almost at 0 Kelvin
>almost (...) 0 Kelvin
>almost
>ALMOST
>ALMOSTALMOSTALMOST

>>3307095
>>3307101
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdEZTdOlGss&feature=relmfu

>>3307132
Teacup you are the new queen/king of /sci/, show cock/tits

>>3306968
Meteor can't hit the land
Meteor is a fucking tracer of piece of rock heating up by entering the atmosphere.

this rock while outside of atmosphere (in space) is called Meteoroid.
If it manages to not burn and fall apart during the atmosheric entrance it hit's the fucking ground and then you call it Meteorite.
Meteorit you call a rock that is a LOT smaller than Asteroid or Planetoid.
Meteorit can't do shit to Earth. We recieve two-three railcars worth of rocks every fucking day.
You want to ask about Asteroids or Planetoids.
If such thing hits the earth it will fuck it up in many ways. Expect shit like blast caused by A-bomb and i talk about BIG FUCKING A-BOMB. It hits the ocean: you get Tsunami high as Mt. Everest and shiload of boiled water changing climate how's that? it hits the Ground you get one continent less and global climate changes as well.

>>3307101
Did you SERIOUSLY just pull a QED?

Are you a MORON, by chance?

Temperature is a PROPERTY OF MATTER

NO MATTER == NO TEMPERATURE

YOU CANNOT FUCKING MEASURE THE TEMPERATURE OF FUCKING SPACE

YOU CAN, HOWEVER MEASURE THE TEMPERATURE OF OBJECTS/MATTER MOVING THROUGHOUT IT

ENERGY RELEASED FROM STARS AND OTHER PLANETARY MASS CAUSES MOLECULAR VIBRATION

THUS, OBJECTS WITHIN A VACUUM POSSESS SOME DEGREE OF 'TEMPERATURE' DEPENDING ON THE ENERGY THEY GAIN FROM OTHER OBJECTS RELEASING IT

>>3307052
You, are also a FUCKING IDIOT.

PHOTONS DO NOT HAVE REST MASS, THEREFORE THEY DO NOT POSSESS ANY SENSE OF 'TEMPERATURE'.

God damn this imageboard.

>>3307126

>>Meteorite, meteor, meorzone, they're all the same.

No. No they are not. Please leave the internet. Leave the internet immediately. Do not pass Go. No not collect £200

>>3307124
Do you think that sunlight only heats up Earth because we're big?

Yes, this is actually true

>>3307132

...

The temperature in space is close to "absolute zero" because any object there will radiate heat until it cools to that point. This is true.

This only applies to objects not exposed to direct sunlight. In Earth orbit, the temperature of objects in sunlight can rise to 120°C/ 250°F. And anything approaching earth for a long period of time is going to heat up from sunlight.

It is heating up and dropping off small particles that causes cometary tails which follow comets on their orbits around the sun.

>>3307149

In terms of total heat yes, I meant in terms of basic thermodynamics. A metal plate in orbit in direct sunlight still heats up.

>>3307144


no.

temperature does not depend on matter (mass).


T = dE/dS (change in energy with respect to change in entropy)

it is usually written as 1/T = dS(E)/dE

that is the definition of temperature.

>>3307133
Watching.

>>3307144
>NO MATTER == NO TEMPERATURE

WHICH IS WHAT I'M FUCKING SAYING, SPACE HAS NO MATTER, SO THE LITTLE BIT OF TEMPERATURE METEORS HAVE GO AWAY INTO SPACE AND THEY GET VERY COLD, CLOSE TO 0K

>>3307145
WELL, I'M SORRY FOR NOT KNOWING WHAT TERMINATION TO USE FOR THE SAME ROCK IN DIFFERENT PLACES

The 4-equidistant Time points can be considered as Time Square imprinted upon the circle of Earth. In a single rotation of the Earth sphere, each Time corner point rotates through the other 3-corner Time points, thus creating 16 corners, 96 hours and 4-simultaneous 24 hour Days within a single rotation of Earth – equated to a Higher Order of Life Time Cube.
Meteors are at 0 kelvins therefore they freeze up the earth

>>3307155
Temperature doesn't magically float from the sun 83572572572905820689059028698106818 Km until it reaches a fucking meteor.

>>3307170
Obviously not me.

>>3307155
>The temperature in space is close to "absolute zero" because any object there will radiate heat until it cools to that point. This is true.
Radiate heat into what? Space isn't your kitchen, if you heat up a teapot and the put it in a perfect vacuum, it will stay hot forever, as there isn't anywhere for it's heat to go. Thing radiate heat on earth because they transfer heat to the air around them, this does not exist in a vacuum, and thus, a hot object will stay hot.

>>3307166

>>WELL, I'M SORRY FOR NOT KNOWING WHAT TERMINATION TO USE FOR THE SAME ROCK IN DIFFERENT PLACES
>>WHAT TERMINATION TO USE FOR THE SAME ROCK IN DIFFERENT PLACES
>>WHAT TERMINATION TO USE FOR THE SAME ROCK
>>WHAT TERMINATION TO USE
>>WHAT TERMINATION
>>TERMINATION

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>3307165
>T = dE/dS (change in energy with respect to change in entropy)
So, you're telling me that a vacuum, with not a SINGLE FUCKING FERMION possesses some form of 'temperature'? I must be on LSD.

>>3307181

Actually temperature fleets with 299,792,458 m/s trough space

>>3307181

Yes, it does. Only it's not called temperature, it's called "radiation". I would also accept "solar wind".

Seriously. Why is sunlight warm? What do you think it does to something which isn't diffusing it in an atmosphere?

>>3307166
>WELL, I'M SORRY FOR NOT KNOWING WHAT TERMINATION TO USE FOR THE SAME ROCK IN DIFFERENT PLACES
>TERMINATION
Do you mean, terminology?

Holy shit Teacup I thought you were just making fun from OP but now you're just too obvious

>>3307182
>hot forever
What? Heat has to escape, it doesn't just stay in the teapot like it's surrounded by an invisible wall.

>>3307184
Notice how only the last few letters change?

>>3307190
Temperature is light now?
whatthefuckamireading.jpg

>>3307143

>Meteorit you call a rock that is a LOT smaller than Asteroid or Planetoid.

Technically this is incorrect. An asteroid is what becomes a meteorite.

Meteorites don't have designated sizes.

Technically, a minor planetoid would be a meteorite too, if it hit. Unless it was comparable in size to a real planet, then the result would be planetary collision and it's impossible to say "which hit the other".

>>3307182
Lol, nice try, fag

>>3307182
Troll or stupid?

In a spaceship, there is no way for heat to escape unless you build a massive radiator inside.

summer /sci/ is best /sci/

>>3307199

I mean "temperature", you are the one not giving a fuck about using the correct nomenclature for stuff. Heats radiates off stuff as photons, thus lightspeed dude.

>>3307201

nice dubs

>>3307205
>>3307202

Never heard of a vacuum flask?

>>3307205

>>3307166
>WHICH IS WHAT I'M FUCKING SAYING, SPACE HAS NO MATTER, SO THE LITTLE BIT OF TEMPERATURE METEORS HAVE GO AWAY INTO SPACE AND THEY GET VERY COLD, CLOSE TO 0K
>SO THE LITTLE BIT OF TEMPERATURE METEORS HAVE GO AWAY INTO SPACE
Where does it go away to? Recall that "heat" is simply a measure of how fast molecules are crashing together, what would cause them to slow down?

On earth, things radiate heat because the molecules of the air around them are moving slower than a hot object, thus, when they make contact with a hot object, some of the heat is absorbed by them. This is why the air around a teapot is warm, and you don't have to touch the teapot to warm your hands.

Space doesn't have air, however, or water, or any other matter for that matter (pun intended) save for the occasional floating molecule. Answer me, why would the molecules slow down?

>>3307199
Stick with engineering, Teacup.
Science/trolling is not a way for you.

This thread was over before it even began.

>>3307219

Aww, but it's fun feeding trolls.

>>3307198
Too obvious? I'm the first to admit to have trolled a bit in the past (chess thread a few days ago, for example), but holy fuck, this thread is painful to read.

>>3307207
Temperature is photons now. Cool story bro.

>>3307212

they have mirror coated insides to prevent radiation skipping. They won't stay hot forever

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>>3307199
>What? Heat has to escape, it doesn't just stay in the teapot like it's surrounded by an invisible wall.
Where does it escape to? An invisible wall would cause the heat to dissipate, actually, since the vibrating molecules would go into the invisible wall, causing it to heat up.

"Heat" isn't some magic ray, it's a measure of molecular vibration, and molecular vibration doesn't escape if there's nowhere for it to go.
An object in motion tends to stay in motion, after all.

>>3307215
They just brush off, I'm no thermodynamist.

>>3307218
I'm not a homosexual.

>>3307224

No, but it's the theory of it. Just get a big enough vacuum and it will stay hot forever.

>>3307215
it radiates EM waves which carry away energy because charged particles constantly change their velocity

I'm just going to leave this here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_radiation#Intensity_in_the_Solar_System

This thread has made me LOL so much.

>>3307236
>>3307232
>>3307233

Also this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiant_heat

>>3307233
Sure, Mr. Egbert.

>>3307233
you're no genius either.

Actually you're stupid

>>3307232
>An object in motion tends to stay in motion, after all.
unless Teacup tells him to do otherwise

after all, his Meteors are flying in fucking space instead of forming on the atmosphere like normal human would expect

>>3307232
I never liked that law of motion. After all, the energy that someone uses to push something ends after some time. Everything tends to stop.

Archive, because Summer /sci/?

>>3307249
She screwed up on the other thread and gave away that it's EK's sockpuppet.

>>3307254
Newton was a drunk too.

>>3307252
Meteors come from outer space, you idiot...

>>3307219
Cool simulation of impact video to get the thread going in the right direction again?

I'm sure many of you already know it, is the video accurate?

>>3307233
>I'm no thermodynamist.
That much is hilariously obvious.

>>3307254
>disagreeing with newtonian laws of motion.
8.5/10, good sir, it took me until this to realize you are a troll, or at least started trolling after having yourself thoroughly disproven.

>>3307265
METEOR IS NOT A FLYING ROCK/ICE/SHIT YOU FUCKING RETARD

>>3307254
Derp, I never liked newton's first law either, gave me the creeps. Are there ghosts moving it?

>>3307248
What?

>>3307249
You don't even know my IQ, bitch.

>>3307263
I AM NOT EK.

>>3307268
If you can't see the video, it's because I never posted it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMW9BOELTFc

>>3307277
Why so upset, EK?

>>3307277
HERRPRRPRPRPRPPP
IMMA JUSTA GONNA TROOLLL YALLLL

>>3307269
I don't know what a person who studies thermodynamics is called, and I couldn't find it on wikipedia either. Also, I never said that I disagreed with the laws of motion, just that everything tends to stop, which is true.

>>3307275
METEORS ARE GIANT BALLS OF ICE AND ICEY ROCK FROM OUTER SPACE, YOU IDIOT.

>>3307276
Read what I wrote in reply to Hopeless.

>>3307277
MAH QUEEN!!!

>>3307285
>outer space

he has a point, so far no one presented arguments why would't oceans freeze
its like real science
-here is valid point
-lol u so stupid
-what a fagg
-hahaha
->summer scientists

I AM NOT EK. IN THE THREAD THAT I WAS ACCUSED OF BEING HER, WE POSTED WITH A DIFFERENCE OF 1 POST NUMBER, IN THE SAME MINUTE. I CAN NOT BE HER. ASK HER. ASK HARRIET.

>>3307292

>>3307232
SURE IS FUCKING CLASSICAL PERSPECTIVE IN HERE

>>3307294
no u

>>3307292
I'm no physicsfag, so I don't know shit, but... heat from the impact?

>>3307289
Yes, outer space. Google it.

>>3307292
I never said the oceans would freeze. Only a part of it.

Toasting in an epic bread.
Someone archive this

I'm just sayin

>>3307285
"I never said that I disagreed with the laws of motion, just that everything tends to stop, which is true."

Protip: If you want to put forth two opposing views in one post, put them in different sentences.

>>3307316
I agree 100%. The thing is, I backed up my claims.

>>3307322
no.

10/10. Well done Teacup.

>>3307292
>Valid point
ok
-let's say the ICE ball of the size of NYC enters the atmosphere
-even if it's fucking ICE ball it will start to heat up because of motherfucking friction
-when it lands be it water or ground it will give away all it's fucking KINETIC ENERGY
-that means LOTS OF HEAT

that said it's can't fucking freeze water, it can't freeze anything. IT WILL RIP AND TEAR WITH FIRE AND FLAMES LIKE A MOTHERFUCKING SPAWN OF INFERNO

>>3307322
Not really, you spouted your opinion without citing any kind of a source. If you'd like to give me a source for your claims go ahead, otherwise stop posting.

This is my first time on /sci/

Reading through this thread gave a a lobotomy

>>3307310
Freeze the ocean,
You sir, are an excellent troll.

>>3307320
Thinks tend to stop. You can't kick a ball and except for it to go on forever and ever.

>>3307326
>>3307336
Go to your freezers.
Get a cube of ice.
Pour a bit of water on it.
Watch as the water becomes ice.
!?!?!?!?!?
MAGIC

>>3307335
Ball of ice AND rock, at almost 0K. The heat you'd need to get it to stop being cold would be so much that you probably can't even start to begin imagining it.

>>3307353
I'm not asking for an example, i'm asking you to cite a source, so cite a fucking source.

>>3307349
PART OF IT. Just read the experiment >>3307353

>>3307353
Ok, so just to clarify...
You do understand that things tend to stop because of friction, and that in a frictionless system, things tend to not stop ever?

>>3307353
and the kinetic energy part being totally overlooked

moron

Anyone know what the temperature is in most of the ocean, and why it is that temperature?

>>3307335
you fucking retard there can't be fire from water, it will just evaporate

>>3307199

yes temperature is the average kinetic energy derp.
So if light carries energy and shit. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK IS GONNA HAPPEN YOU RETARD

>>3307359
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer

>>3307362
>fritionless system
Like SPACE? In which things STOP?

>>3307365
No it is not. There just isn't enough heat coming from the kinetic energy in the meteor to counter how cold it is.

>>3307353
>Things tend to stop
>tend to stop
>atmospheric air
>elastic energy transfer
no

>>3307374
What?

>>3307379
sorce or i dont beliv u lol

>>3307376
Shitty source, lends no credence to you claim that an asteroid would freeze oceans. You're gonna have to do better.

>>3307360
I totally agree with you.
I think you should write a grant to the US government to convince them to attach rockets to a meteor and ram it into earth to stop global warming.

>>3307353
>Go to your freezers.
>Get a cube of ice.
>Pour a bit of water on it.
>Watch as the water becomes ice.
>!?!?!?!?!?
>MAGIC

How the fuck does that prove anything? The kinetic energy from the water was transferred to the freezer's air. Your point?

>>3307385
teacup confirmed for 9 year old

Why has not a single person in this thread not broken out the equations?

It's like you want to be trolled.

>>3307371
>>3307371
>drop something big like New York from space
>there won't be fire

no sunny there will be fucking thermonuclear rection

>>3307385
>sorce or i dont beliv u lol
YOU NEED A SOURCE FOR THAT?

HOLY FUCKING SHIT I THINK I LEARNED THAT IN FUCKING MIDDLE SCHOOL CHEMISTRY WHEN THEORETICAL PHYSICS WASN'T EVEN A THOUGHT AND TESLA WAS STILL ROLLING IN HIS GRAVE

>>3307114
from wikipedia (inb4 wikepedia isn't a valid source)

"The Space Shuttle thermal protection system (TPS) is the barrier that protects the Space Shuttle Orbiter during the searing 1,650 °C (3,000 °F) heat of atmospheric reentry. A secondary goal is to protect from the heat and cold of space while on orbit.[1]"

1650 C, that's about 1900K. To put that in perspective the earth's average temperature is around 300k. a space object entering the atmosphere, even if it starts out at near 0K is still going to heat up a hellofalot.

>>3307353
1ST LAW OF MOTION FUCKING KILL YOURSELF

>>3307393
i like seeing teacup trying to prove his 9 year old theory

ITT: Teacup getting buttraped

>>3307395
>>drop something big like New York from space
>>there won't be fire
>no sunny there will be fucking thermonuclear rection

What the fuck am I reading...?

>>3307285
>just that everything tends to stop, which is true.
It's really not, you silly troll.
>>3307292
>so far no one presented arguments why would't oceans freeze
Read the thread, and go to that video I posted.
Any object moving at cometary speeds is in no danger of making anything around it colder. >>3307353
>You can't kick a ball and except for it to go on forever and ever.
Quick, without googling it, recite the first law, in it's entirety.
Then, google it, and read the bit at the end of it that you obviously missed.

Long story short, yes, the ball would go on forever, if there weren't any wind resistance or gravity acting on it.

>>3307353
>Ball of ice AND rock, at almost 0K. The heat you'd need to get it to stop being cold would be so much that you probably can't even start to begin imagining it.
You've been disproven by basically everyone in this entire thread. Give it up mate.

>>3307388
It's not my fault that you don't like my source, go find one that suits you.

>>3307389
Not what I said.

>>3307390
Don't put the water in the freezer, put it on some ice, outside the freeze. When it comes in contact, it'll freeze, because it'll transfer some heat to the ice but not enough to melt it.

>>3307395
From ice.

>>3307393
I don't see your equations anywhere.

teacup just say,
lol i troll u.
and try and save any bit of dignity that you have.

>>3307409
Energy
now go back to watch Jersey Shore or some other productivel stuff

Can we make teacup the new EK?
I don't think EK would argue with Newton...

>>3307417
That isn't how science works buddy, it's not a matter liking or disliking, it's about facts. Now back up your claims.

Hey i just remembered somthing.
Isnt it COMETS that are made of ice.
And that meteors are made of rocks and shit?

>>3307427
They're already the same person.

Why is /sci/ classical?
Please, I'd love to know.
Newton's first law, in modern science, applies to only objects in a vacuum with no influential fundamental force, which, is IMPOSSIBLE. Resistance will always exist.

>>3307429
Oh forgot about the metals too.

>>3307410
its not moving, its already hit ocean and stopped, impact evaporated some external ice and now temperature rapidly dropping due to fuckhuge ammounts of very cold inner ice

Let's just put this to bed once and for all:
>Which would be more disastrous for mankind.
>A meteor in the ocean or on hitting land?

>Meteor: A small body of matter from outer space that enters the earth's atmosphere, becoming incandescent as a result of friction and appearing as a streak of light

>incandescent: Emitting light as a result of being heated.

By definition, meteors aren't cold.

>>3307396
notgettingit.jpg

>>3307400
>1900K
Not even going to read the rest, go back to your bridge, troll.

>>3307401
I KNOW THE 1ST LAW OF MOTION, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT ONLY EXISTS IN THEORY.

>>3307404
>>3307408
Shut up

>>3307410
I don't know the laws of motion by heart, what am I, encyclopedia britannica?

>>3307416
No I haven't.

>>3307429
no meteors are made of magic
meteoroids can be made of whateverfuck is flying in space by now
meteorites too

>>3307448
>I don't know the laws of motion by heart
I do, and I reckon dozens of other /sci/ducks do also. There's only 3 of them

>>3307418
I AM NOT TROLLING ANYONE.

>>3307427
>>3307433
I AM NOT EK, LISTEN YOU IDIOTS, GO READ WHAT I SAID, WE POSTED IN THE SAME THREAD ALMOST AT THE SAME TIME, I TROLLED HER IN CHESS A BIT, WE HAVE OPPOSING VIEWS SOMETIMES, I CAN NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM BE HER. NOT NOW, NOT NEVER, NOT IN A MILLION YEARS, DID YOU HEAR ME?! DID YOU?!!?!?!?

>>3307447
>have no real arguments
>you used wrong word hurr

>>3307419
>thermonuclear reaction
thank you for making me want to kill myself even more

>>3307446
>impact evaporated some external ice

oh shit i think I can start believe in God now

>>3307435
this

>>3307456
fucking do it please PLEASE!!!!!

>>3307429
>>3307437
Cold metals + ice + cold rocks.

>>3307428
I already did.

>>3307452
Doesn't mean I know them, bad memory.

>>3307418
>implying he doesn't have all of the dignity in this thread

>>3307463
No, please educate me 'sunny'.
IF YOU DROPPED 'BIG NEW YORK' FROM SPACE, WHAT WOULD CAUSE A THERMONUCLEAR REACTION?

>>3307454
OP's question pertained to meteors. I only posted the definition of meteor, as well as the definition of incandescent.

I point you towards: >>3306991
which is the post by this idiot tripfag that started it all, wherein aforementioned tripfag claimed that a meteor hitting the oceans would freeze the water, which I have just disproven as by definition, meteors are hot, not cold. That is a perfectly valid argument, fuck off.

>>3307453
sup EK

>>3307464
you did not, you posted a link to a Wikipedia article that had nothing to do with what you claimed. Now if you'd like a pull something out of a peer reviewed scientific journal about how meteors would freeze oceans please do, otherwise stop posting.

>>3307469
Atoms going against attoms.

>>3307471
Meteors are cold. They're in space. Almost 0K.
I cut all the hard words so you could understand.

>>3306991
>mfw

>>3307471
>fuck up and show your stupidity
>its all tripfags fault!

>>3307474
How did you manage to actually write that sentence and not kill yourself shortly afterwards?

>>3307464
>Doesn't mean I know them, bad memory.
Also, an idiot.

Now please respond to my post wherein I disproved everything you are saying by opening a dictionary.

Also, if you could cite a single example wherein any object survived reentry cold, that'd be nice.

Also, please read this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_entry

You also have yet to respond to the youtube video I linked.

>>3307480
There's more then one you know.

>>3307474
I point you to
>>3307480

Also,
>>3307473
fuck you.

>>3307475
put in the hard words faggot

Equations? fine
assume a decent, 1000 kg meteor
ΔPE = PE_i - PE_f = 0 - (-Gmm/r) = GMm/r = 5.9742e24 * 1000 * 6.67e-11/ 6.378e6 = 6.24e10 Joules
Aka, a shit ton of energy.

If that energy were, say, in thermal form (for carbon):
T = E/(k*(mols of C)) = GMm(molar mass of carbon)/(rmk) = GM(molar mass of carbon)/(rk) =

5.9742e24 * 6.67e-11* (.012)/ (6.378e6* 6.155) = 1.21e5 K
Yeah, thats pretty hot.

>>3307483
More than one what?

>>3307482
What post?
Space shuttles.
Not going to read all that, could you sum it up?
What video?

>>3307478
Interesting coincidence?

>>3307484
That's a pretty shitty attempt to deflect everything I've said.

>>3307490
Sentence you dumb cunt.

>>3307488
Still, it loses all that heat.

>>3307488
but that's wrong you fucking retard

>>3307475
You're repeating a sentence, but you're not responding to the point I made. A Meteor is by definition heated up to the point of incandescence, just like any object entering earth's atmosphere is. Please explain to me how anything could possibly enter earth's atmosphere and not be heated up, then you can go explain it to NASA, so they can take those heat shields off all their shit, because obviously you know better than they do.

KØRKBØRD

But teacup, what about solar winds?

>>3307478
Wait, this is from today... You fucking assholes.

>>3307499
The outer part is very hot, it loses all the heat to the water and proceeds to undo it by being very cold inside. And NASA could take all those shields off, as long as they fill their spaceships with liquid Nitrogen.

hey guys
i'm new here
is this how science works?

>>3307491
>Space shuttles.
Go to the link, oh wait
>Not going to read all that, could you sum it up?
Ok, tl;dr: Space Shuttles get hilariously hot, and are hilariously dumb.

>what video?
The one you said you were watching, about the enormous amounts of energy gained by any object entering earth's atmosphere. Especially a comet.

Here, i'll link it again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdEZTdOlGss&feature=relmfu

>>3307496
>Still, it loses all that heat.
By Magic?

>>3307496
Troll, You just got raped in the ass by the cold hard dick of equations. It only transforms that KE to Thermal energy in the atmosphere/on impact. All that energy goes into the earth's system in the form of heat.

Also, I, and everyone else on this board, refuse to believe that you are as ignorant as you appear, since no one can be that dumb.

Nice trolling

Ŧūb-Ŵÿrm

>>3307469
your mom

you hit the anvil with sledgehammer from 2m pulled by force of adult man. hammer hits the metal and both heat up.
you drop fucking continent on another continent from fucking space with force of continent flying at several tens of thousands miles per hour. What will happen? IT WILL FREEZE THE GAIA!!!!!

Posting in epic thread. Teacup, you are hilarious. If you don't care that we're laughing AT you, then keep it up!

>>3307508
Tell me how big you think this magical cold meteor is.

>>3307525
If it's the size of the moon, were gonna get stuck in an ice age

>>3307514
Space shuttles are irrelevant, and I can't watch a whole video. Sum it up, please?
>by Magic?
No, by science.

>>3307515
But the meteor is very cold, almost as cold as absolute nothing. No matter how much energy, you aren't going to heat it up.

>>3307520
Not what I said.

>>3307524
No one is laughing.

>>3307525
My hypothetical meteor is as big as a football field.

EVERYONE PARTICIPATING IN THIS THREAD PLEASE READ THIS AND ALL OF ITS CONTENTS THOROUGHLY:
http://hyperion.cc.uregina.ca/~astro/Ice_Mets.pdf

The meteor wouldn't be near 0k or even near the freezing point of water due to the radiant heat energy from the sun as well as the solar winds. In space, it's not the cold that kills you, but the change in pressure causing your insides to collapse.

>>3307542
And the cold helps.

>>3307538
This you teacup?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV6inv-BQDE

>>3307538
Why don't you hitch up the time cube to the asteroid and charge through space fighting Jupiter?

>>3307538
>Space shuttles are irrelevant, and I can't watch a whole video. Sum it up, please?
Kent Hovind makes the exact same argument you make, and in the course of 5 minutes it proven wrong in every way it is possible to be proven wrong.

BTW space shuttles are totally relevant, and you're the one that brought them up as examples of something that entered the atmosphere cold.

Take 5 minutes and learn something.

>But the meteor is very cold, almost as cold as absolute nothing. No matter how much energy, you aren't going to heat it up.
>My hypothetical meteor is as big as a football field.
From your first post:
>it'd freeze a bunch of water around it and change the climate/kill many animals.

>No one is laughing.
I am, and every new post is a new reason to laugh.

>>3307538
>My hypothetical meteor is as big as a football field.
See:
>When the initial velocity is 15 km/s, however, even a 1,000,000-kg (diameter ≈ 15-m) ice-meteoroid will only produce an ice meteorite of a few grams mass on the ground.

One more thing:
>>3307538
>No matter how much energy, you aren't going to heat it up.
Stupidest thing you've said yet. Go look up the definition of "Calorie" and get back to me.

>>3307551
>>3307550
>>3307556
>>3307560
>>3307568
I see. Well, if everyone's mocking me, I might as well leave.
By the way, you might want to try the ice cube + water thing and watch as you make science.

>>3307578

it took 208 post to kill the beast
let's have toast to celebrate our bitter victory

>>3307578

Teacup, I just did this, and it was amazing! The water froze. Maybe you have a point here.

Interesting point though, the amount of water I put on the ice was much smaller than the cube itself. This is the opposite of a meteor in the ocean. The meteor would be much colder, though. Can you do the calculations of how much colder it would be and how much bigger it would be to see how much water it would freeze?

Also the ocean is made of salt water, which has a lower freezing point.

>>3307596
this

>>3307598

this

I know I said I'd be gone, but back just for this:
>>3307598
Doesn't matter, put the ice cube in a glass full of water (room temperature) and let it be. The water will get colder. If it's already a bit cold, it'll probably freeze a bit.

Well seeing how I'm invincible it wouldn't affect me much. If you're nice to me I might just save you all aswell.

>>3307618

The differences were non-trivial. I'd really like to see your math on this issue. The ocean is not already near freezing.

>>3307618
definition of idiot

>>3307623
Can your freezer get to practically 0K? I thought not.

So I'm guessing Teacup got his science knowledge from Patriot Bible University?
That would explain why he thinks comets and meteors work like freeze rays.

>>3307618
the main problem is
you are not putting the meteoroid there
you are throving it at it at fucking Mach 45! that's the smallest known speed for meteoroids.
can you even imagine that speed?
The friction would send your "almost 0K" to hell

I like how Teacup claims the same thing over and over, even after having been disproven several times. Also, the only source Teacup has provided so far that actually "confirms" his/her claims is the picture drawn by him/herself.

>>3307626

Of course not. You're right, that is also non-trivial. You can't just assume that the differences will cancel out, and the oceans will still freeze, though. That's why I'm asking for some calculations on your part.

Is that too much to ask?

>>3307618
The meteor isn't nearly 0k, not even close.
Go stand out in the sunlight, feel that warmth? Yea, i bet you do. An "Asteroid" feels that same warmth from the sun when the photons strike it. Since there's no matter for the asteroid to give the heat energy to, the asteroid heats up. Also when the asteroid becomes a meteor by entering the atmosphere, the pressure wave in the atmosphere causes the front-end of the meter to heat up.

ITT: elementary physics.

>>3307618
!!!!!!!!

>>3307634
Well then, I have bad news for you. The Earth goes around the Sun extremely fast. How are we not on fire?

>>3307636
I'm not going to do math just to prove something that you can do with a freezer.

>>3307626
Can a meteor? Comets that get as close to the sun as the earth is start boiling off. No space object near the earth is going to be particularly cold.

>>3307634
>friction
>in a vacuum

>>3307645
>earth
>friction
>with vacuum

I'm out

>>3307645

It is not the same as the freezer. This, I have proven. I am asking for your math to prove your assertion that the meteor would freeze the ocean.

>>3307651
>>3307649
hivemind

>>3307649
Atmosphere
that shit that floats around you and severa miles above too
it's made of shit and it causes friction

good night

>>3307655
not really

>>3307653
I'm not a thermodynamist. Just put water on a ice cube.

>>3307647
Meteors come from far away, not from the Sun.

>>3307645

May I refer you to
>>3307488
Where all your claims are refuted?

>>3307645

7/10

You're doing well, but then again you did pick one of the easiest boards to troll (/adv/ is the easiest).

>>3307665
Which I refuted with >>3307496

>>3307663
>from far away
are you... a fucking schizophrenic?

>>3307670
If I say that I'm trolling, will people stop saying that I am? Seeing as how when I say that I am not everyone goes up and says that I am.

>>3307679
I actually am, but that's besides the point.

>>3307672
It only gets that heat when it passes through the atmosphere and hits the earth.

Where does that heat go if not earth's system?

>>3307686
To the air, not to the water. Air disperses it.

>>3307663

I did that. This only proves that a small amount of water places on a cube will freeze. It doesn't prove that the ocean, which is made of salt water, would freeze when a relatively much smaller and much colder falls in it. I mean smaller relative to the ocean, btw.

>>3307682
>I actually am, but that's besides the point.
>I actually am
>I actually am

>but that's beside the point

>>3307689
how come the air gets all the heat, and the meteor gets none?

Also, the meteor is still going pretty damn fast when it smacks the earth.

>>3307693
Try salt water then.

>>3307695
And what does my disorder have anything to do with the motherfucking thread?

>>3307695
oh god, i fucking lol'd

Fucking kinetic energy, how does that work?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdEZTdOlGss
Watch this video, it's only five minutes long and it'll sure end this discussion faster than continuing to make an ass of yourself in this thread will.

>>3307706
and what does the fucking ice cube in fucking glass of water have to do with the motherfucking thread?

You are throwing frozen football field at earth at 15km per second
and no its'not close to 0K it wasn't long before it entered earth's orbit.

And air friction will heat it up just like it heats up space shuttle but you refused Shuttles because lol they aren't made of ice at almost 0K

>Teacup
>Schizophrenic
>Pulling bullshit science out of his ass
>No one can convince him of his idiocy
>This thread is still going

I think it's time we abandon this thread, /sci/entists.

The massive release of kinetic energy from an object traveling at that speed wouldn't freeze anything, it'd vaporize it.
/thread

<<<Also read this

>>3307731

Nah, I'm having fun.

>>3307706

The salt water didn't freeze. Of course, the freezer isn't as cold as the meteor...

Maths, please?

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10/10, well done Teacup. You've trolled all of /sci/ beyond belief.

I think this thread, alone, proves that (even if Teacup != EK), EK is schizophrenic.

good night, /sci/.

>>3307663
>Meteors come from far away, not from the Sun.
Meteors, by definition, are near the earth, which is near the sun. They cannot get anywhere near the earth without getting hot due to solar radiation. This is why comets have tails when the get into the inner solar system.

>>3307755

No, they have tails because of the friction in space. This is why the tail always trails behind the comet.

>>3307731
>convince
>prove wrong

he was proven wrong 100 times
but you can't convice brickwall that frozen truck at 90mph won't freeze it but run through it

I'm honestly tired of arguing about this, being called a troll, being made fun of, etc. I'm out for today, see you all later.

>>3307770
Before you go, watch this video and actually learn something about how energy works
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdEZTdOlGss
At least get something useful out of this shitstorm by learning something.

But the part of the ocean where it lands will freeze

Okay, Teacup. Lets have a little physics lesson, shall we?
If you are a troll you're a very persistent one.

Now, temperature is a property of matter, and measures how much the particles that make up this matter vibrate. Temperature can be conveyed by contact (convection, conduction) or by producing photons via the oscillation of electrons (radiant heat).

A vacuum is devoid of mass, so it can't have a temperature. It's the ideal insulator, that's why people use vacuum flasks to keep drinks at a constant temperature.

Now, if you have an object in space, far from the sun, it can't convect heat but it can radiate it. The planet's ability to radiate heat decreases as it gets colder, so eventually it hits an equilibrium with the incoming radiation from the sun.

When comets fly by the sun, they start to melt and produce a large tail, turning their shape into a 'shooting star'.

Anything approaching the Earth will have to travel within the same distance to the sun as Earth is; this exposes it to a hell of a lot of radiation. Since there's no night except on rotating planets, this object is gonna be blasted with every kind of radiation 24/7. It's not going to be 0k. It's not going to be fusion temperature either, but it will probably be hotter than most Earth conditions. The smaller the object, the faster it will change temperature.

Finally, the amount of friction it has to take when it hits the atmosphere will turn it into a fireball. Meteors are heavy creatures, and orbital speeds are very high, so you've got a hell of a lot of momentum to dissipate as it comes down. This all gets turned into heat, which either goes to the air or remains in the rock.

When it hits the ground though - it will still have a large amount of momentum, and it will have to dissipate *all at once*. That's a big dp/dt. On contact, depending on size, it could produce temperatures hot enough to melt rock.

>>3307775
>freeze
you really should watch that video

I sure hope Teacup was trolling. I really don't want to believe someone can be that, stupid, ignorant, sure they are right, AND unwilling to learn.

Why is this the best shit on /sci/?

>>3307799
> schizophrenia

>>3307801
because it show's what's happening all araund the world

people are being so ignorant the you can't be scientinst to show them they are wrong.
you need a fucking WHIP and beat the stupidity out of them

>>3307788
I think that was a poor impersonator, as Teacup said he was going offline.

>>3307811
Ok after reading what kind of mistakes I made I think it's time to hit the bed.
Sorry guys I hope I got the point across

This thread reminds me of the end of Demolition Man.

here's a plus
this thread jumped to 250 posts in TWO HOURS!
this is a praiseworthy shit on /sci/

I love the way that everyone jumped on teacup at the beginning, despite the fact he was clearly trolling.
/sci/, your desire to look smart and belittle others completely overrides your common sense.
You are so pathetic. Never change.

>>3307915

>>3307915
sup Teacup

its just basic heat transfer
the heat that the object gains during entering will travel to the center of the "0 K" meteorturd....
once in earth's atmosphere it will be impossible to get lower than freezing...

derp

bump

>>3308133
There's nothing left to discuss. The impact of a meteor would incinerate/vaporize whatever it hit, not freeze it.
/thread

>>3308138

We could answer the original question...

looks like a pizza roll to me